Toast Fremantle's 1st 2016 National Draft Pick: Griffin Logue [Pick #8]

[Arcassius]

It's from the wog-ball defensive midfield role…roaming around in front of the half backs.

The key with the wog ball defensive midfielder role is their interceptions and accuracy in starting the chain. I see the role comparable in importance to say Hill or Walters coming from the midfield in the number 10 role as attacking playmakers. Logue would have the ability to roam and intercept, but what makes or breaks the defensive mid is what they do next. Good vision and footskills are a must.

 

[meima]

It's from the wog-ball defensive midfield role…roaming around in front of the half backs.

Thanks , you know i like my soccer or your aussie call wog ball.

 

[meima]

The key with the wog ball defensive midfielder role is their interceptions and accuracy in starting the chain. I see the role comparable in importance to say Hill or Walters coming from the midfield in the number 10 role as attacking playmakers.

Now you talking . Arsenal use to have two in viera and pettit with ice man berkamp as attacking playmaker. My wog ball team got alonso.

But after watching afl , soccer is a bit slow for me now, always fell asleep.

 

[free at last]

I just see a defensively minded ruck-rover in Logue.He'll be the rugged mid who'll run back and take a game saving intercept mark in front of the likes of Cameron,Lynch etc etc.....

 

[scon]

The key with the wog ball defensive midfielder role is their interceptions and accuracy in starting the chain. I see the role comparable in importance to say Hill or Walters coming from the midfield in the number 10 role as attacking playmakers. Logue would have the ability to roam and intercept, but what makes or breaks the defensive mid is what they do next. Good vision and footskills are a must.

Claude Makelele was the archetype for playing that role and as with everything the role has evolved.Claude's great strength as the best exponent of the role for a decade with Real Madrid in another of their period's of world dominance was his maniacal workrate,tenacity and hard arse ball winning ability.He broke the other's attack and then passed to a playmaker.
The newer version behaves more as you're describing;however first priority remains to protect the backline from opposition offense.
Not many roles Logue could not play.
Other than exteme athleticism and ability to retain possession,FFC's mantra over recent times has been interchangeability and versatility.
Logue has all of these in spades.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Thanks , you know i like my soccer or your aussie call wog ball.

Soccer sucks

 

[igon value]

I think as long as he isn't playing on a 200cm+ forward he will do fine.

How many of those are there?

 

[_007_]

How many of those are there?

Eric Hipwood 200cm Brisbane
Daniel Gorringe 200cm Carlton
Mason Cox 211cm Collingwood
Darcy Moore 200cm Collingwood
Joe Daniher 201cm Essendon
Michael Apeness 200cm Fremantle
Rory Lobb 206cm GWS
Rhys Stanley 200cm Geelong
Peter Wright 203cm Gold Coast
Ben Brown 200cm North Melbourne
Charlie Dixon 202cm Port Adelaide
Shaun Hampson 201cm Richmond
Ben Griffiths 200cm Richmond
Kurt Tippet 202cm Sydney
Scott Lycett 203cm West Coast
Tom Boyd 200cm Western Bulldogs

Honourable mentions;

Josh Jenkins 199cm Adelaide
Josh Schache 199cm Brisbane
Levi Casboult 199cm Carlton
Jonathon Patton 198cm GWS
Tom Hawkins 198cm Geelong
Tom Lynch 199cm Gold Coast
Justin Westhoff 199cm Port Adelaide
Jake Carlisle 200cm St Kilda
Callum Sinclair 200cm Sydney

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Eric Hipwood 200cm Brisbane
Daniel Gorringe 200cm Carlton
Mason Cox 211cm Collingwood
Darcy Moore 200cm Collingwood
Joe Daniher 201cm Essendon
Michael Apeness 200cm Fremantle
Rory Lobb 206cm GWS
Rhys Stanley 200cm Geelong
Peter Wright 203cm Gold Coast
Ben Brown 200cm North Melbourne
Charlie Dixon 202cm Port Adelaide
Shaun Hampson 201cm Richmond
Ben Griffiths 200cm Richmond
Kurt Tippet 202cm Sydney
Scott Lycett 203cm West Coast
Tom Boyd 200cm Western Bulldogs

Honourable mentions;

Josh Jenkins 199cm Adelaide
Josh Schache 199cm Brisbane
Levi Casboult 199cm Carlton
Jonathon Patton 198cm GWS
Tom Hawkins 198cm Geelong
Tom Lynch 199cm Gold Coast
Justin Westhoff 199cm Port Adelaide
Jake Carlisle 200cm St Kilda
Callum Sinclair 200cm Sydney

Hmmm ok and how many are playing regular games and as either CHF or FF?

The chances of a 3rd tall such as Cox or Logue having to play on a 200cm plus player is slim.

 

[meima]

Soccer sucks

Sucks but the most famous sport around the world . Paid a lot for a week 200k pound for star player.

 

[scon]

If you're a little Messi it's $1.4m/wk next contract negotiation.

 

[Clems Knee]

Thanks , you know i like my soccer or your aussie call wog ball.

I like to call it "UnAustralian Football".

 

[scon]

Wog-ball is Bushie's.

 

[meima]

I like to call it "UnAustralian Football".

Is much easy for me as asian to refer aus rule as footy and football ( soccer) to asia friend.i use to think aus rule as rugby until i know the rule. The uniqueness of aussie football is the mixture of basketball (handball),football (kicking) , volleyball ( jump) and rugby (tackles) all mix into one sport.

 

[jedi mind tricks]

Sucks but the most famous sport around the world . Paid a lot for a week 200k pound for star player.

True but players salaries doesn't make the sport enjoyable to watch. If AFL players were payed the same would that make it a vetter spectacle? Or if it was a world wide game?

Don't get me wrong there is skill in soccer but for me the spectacle isn't there.

 

[meima]

True but players salaries doesn't make the sport enjoyable to watch. If AFL players were payed the same would that make it a vetter spectacle? Or if it was a world wide game?

Don't get me wrong there is skill in soccer but for me the spectacle isn't there.

Depend on taste , there is more people watching champion league ,epl than aussie rule . dont get me wrong I will need to adapt watching soccer now than aussie rule .

 

[_007_]

Hmmm ok and how many are playing regular games and as either CHF or FF?

The chances of a 3rd tall such as Cox or Logue having to play on a 200cm plus player is slim.

The list doesn't include many that don't play games. Either way I don't think he has the foot skills to be a third tall. That's where I'll leave it as I'm sure he will be serviceable at a minimum at whatever spot they play him.

 

[meima]

Why postie keep thinking inside a box ?Why not be a bit different ? who would think Caleb daniel can play afl before this

 

[jedi mind tricks]

The list doesn't include many that don't play games. Either way I don't think he has the foot skills to be a third tall. That's where I'll leave it as I'm sure he will be serviceable at a minimum at whatever spot they play him.

Yeah we'll get to see his skills soon. Fingers crossed their good because I can see him out muscling his opponents in a few years.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Why postie keep thinking inside a box ?Why not be a bit different ? who would think Caleb daniel can play afl before this

I think most people on bigfooty rated Daniel pre draft. It's the recruiters who had the doubts.

 

[G Mus]

The key with the wog ball defensive midfielder role is their interceptions and accuracy in starting the chain. I see the role comparable in importance to say Hill or Walters coming from the midfield in the number 10 role as attacking playmakers. Logue would have the ability to roam and intercept, but what makes or breaks the defensive mid is what they do next. Good vision and footskills are a must.

A regista

 

[meima]

A regista

From Google search

THE deep-lying playmaker. This position from which a player conducts his orchestra is known as the regista to Italians. From Spain where Xavi and Xabi Alonso weave their tactical magic from deep, to Germany where İlkay Gündoğan plies his trade, the regista is the modern day phenomenon that has taken football by storm.Jul 5, 2013

 

[JAMES_B_101]

I explicitly stated that I thought he'd make an excellent 2nd tall. We seem to agree. I am glad. However I would like to add that running vertical jump is quite an irrelevant attribute to KPD imo. To me it is more about body positioning, 20m sprint speed, height and weight/strength.

Vertical jump in a KPD is especially relevant. You seem to be pidgeon holing a position where you need to be looking at how a player plays their position specifically and the reasons why they play it well. This changes dramatically from player to player. Anyway as far as vertical leap goes in KPD it is the difference between being able to intercept mark and having to spoil, it's the difference between spoiling the ball and chopping the arms. It is very much a relevant attribute. There's a reason a guy like Easton Wood has great success playing as a KPD at 186cm. As far as who he replaces in the midfield, he doesn't need to replace anyone. He's your pick 8, if the club wants him in the middle he will be added to the top end of your midfield and won't be replacing the bottom end. Other guys move down to fringe player status and between that cohort will play a couple less games each season as part of the usual midfield rotation.

 

[_007_]

Vertical jump in a KPD is especially relevant. You seem to be pidgeon holing a position where you need to be looking at how a player plays their position specifically and the reasons why they play it well. This changes dramatically from player to player. Anyway as far as vertical leap goes in KPD it is the difference between being able to intercept mark and having to spoil, it's the difference between spoiling the ball and chopping the arms. It is very much a relevant attribute. There's a reason a guy like Easton Wood has great success playing as a KPD at 186cm. As far as who he replaces in the midfield, he doesn't need to replace anyone. He's your pick 8, if the club wants him in the middle he will be added to the top end of your midfield and won't be replacing the bottom end. Other guys move down to fringe player status and between that cohort will play a couple less games each season as part of the usual midfield rotation.

The stat in question is running vertical jump and imo that is a crucial difference. I agree with you about vertical jump, it's of some importance. I agree. Running vertical jump is irrelevant unless you're the interceptor/third man up at the contest imo. You can't jump your way to the front of a leading forward and you're stationary in other contests.

To be clear, I think he will be played as 3rd tall and make an excellent lockdown defender, but if his role involves rebounding in any form, I can see his skills letting him down more often than we'd like from a pick 8.

I think what I'm trying to say is that he has the perfect skillset for a tall imo, but I think that he will be played as a rebounder with the view to becoming a midfielder and that bothers me.

 

[Cobbler]

I'm not too fussed on Logue. He will be what he'll be.
What bothers me is did we drink the Kool aid?

I'm happy to stand corrected but this guy came with a bullet in the closing weeks of the season and his draft combine and rumours of Swans wanting him might have led to a ridiculous inflated price. Which we paid.

He was viewed as around pick 30 for most of the season.