Autopsy Freo Lose To North at Home

[PurpleEyes]

There is a 30 or 40 game price you have to pay to get a good player (especially key forward) from the draft. It consists of frustration and inconsistency for coaches and fans but only when the player comes out the other side, with 50 odd games they will start to flourish and be consistently good.

Amiss has played 4 games.
Sturt has played 5 game.
Treacy has played 22 games.
Erasmus has played 5 games
Johnson has played 0 games.

An important point to note - you CANNOT short circuit this price by “developing him in the WAFL”
This is a flawed strategy. You are only delaying the payment of the price at AFL level to later. There is NO substitute for AFL match experience. None.

The past 25 AFL premiership teams have all had at least 13 players in their premiership side who had played their last 50 career games with that club.
This is just how important this statistic is because it is a great KPI of a team's cohesion and the health of their playing 22 list.

For this reason, Freo should try not have too high expectations for the likes of Jackson, O'Meara and even our 2nd year players like Clark and Brodie, but 2023 is also our first year since our rebuild started back in 2016 where we can expect to most often field a team with 13+ 50 game players. That is, I have excused Freo's failing in previous seasons because of injuries and the stage of our rebuild ... which is why these first 2 losses are extremely disappointing and deserve heavy criticism.

 

[trentjac]

Notacluey over Jackson every week

Agreed. He is a beast tap ruckman when fit (hasn’t been fit for years though)

I actually think we have to back him in as an agile mid.

 

[Tonga Bob]

Really?! I live there so know that's a lie

Nah you live on Amity Island.

 

[freo1]

Keep bagging Jackson but he is 21!!!! Anyone remember how good a forward Tom Hawkins was at 21??? I do.

at least he knew where to run and how to kick. Jackson is a basketball playing ruckman. hes a poor mans nic nat. hes a fine player but nothing close to what we need. and to get this peanut, we lost griffin logue.

 

[Chief Brody]

Nah you live on Amity Island.

Marthas vineyard actually

Nar exy local. Not much in the Gulf but sharks and beers

 

[WilloTree]

All right let's go. Observations from the game today.

• What the * was that Tabs goal overturn? Both umpires were happy and signalled it was a mark (idc if it wasn't), and they let him take the kick without reviewing. When in the * do they every go back and review the mark after they have already allowed the kick???
• Ball is clearly out of bounds before the siren sounds. One ump calls for deliberate. Should've at least drawn the game.
• Also how the * no one managed to rush it through is seriously ****ed.
• Luke Jackson is an absolute game changer. As in he will kill every tiny bit of momentum you have. It's not even that he just gets spoiled all the time in marking contests. The mf will get both hands to it clean and drop it every single ******* time. Even when he manages to bring it to his chest.
• Darcy is so far from his 2021 season it's not even funny. Used to be a beast at contested marking and would be good for a goal or two a game. Offers us absolute * all at the moment.
• Midfield? Absolutely useless. Can't win a clearance to save their life. And our personnel isn't even that different to last year except for JOM/Mundy. And Mundy was bad for most of last year too. But Brodie, Serong, Brayshaw, Darcy. Feels like we lost just about every single centre clearance where Switta wasn't there. How have we regressed so badly? Is Josh Carr really that influential? How do we keep dominating hitouts but the opposition mids read them so much better.
• The fact that our last 3 goals in 3 mins were scored by a midfielder and a defender are telling. Forward line is absolutely useless. I sit behind the goal and paid close attention to them in the third. Zero movement. That's not even an exaggeration. Absolutely ZERO movement from all of them. And then when the ball is kicked in everyone goes up for the same mark (leaving no one with an actual chance to mark it).
• Luke Jackson is useless. Just so bad.
• Alex Pearce is not a captain by example in the slightest.
• Taberner should never play again.
• Amiss needs a lot more time in the 2s.
• I counted about 4 htb paid on Freddy in our f50 (most of them came after Jackson dropped marks btw)
• North Melbourne tried their hardest to take Young's head off.Noticed we did try and take the game on a lot more today (to no avail because of forwards that cant mark)
• Liked Willo's game. He tried to take it on more than anyone else. At least in the first half. Good defensive moments too. He should keep his spot.
• Walters looked good. Should have been playing the full game. Only forward that would actually move.

I'm bored of the Hughes experiment. Let it go. Bring in Johnson. At least we'll get the bonus of developing our youth. Even if the output is similar. I don't even know what to do with the forward line. Amiss and Treacy are clearly not up to it. Taberner is so far gone. Kuek would be blown over by the wind. And the rucks can't mark to save their lives. We've got nothing going on there.

Oh also is there a reason why we can't ban oppo supporters from post game threads after a loss?? Can't see what positive purpose they serve.

But what about Jackson?

 

[Van_Dyke]

+ves
Was a very good days cricket at the WACA I watched pre game, love to see WA doing so well
-ves
Basically everything that happened after I left the waca

 

[purplerunsdeep2]

Jackson is a feather and has added zero value forward to date


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[s_wd6]

But what about Jackson?

Got a few thoughts on him actually I might have missed them.

• He's dogshit
• He's like...really really dogshit

 

[Outshined]

+ves
Was a very good days cricket at the WACA I watched pre game, love to see WA doing so well
-ves
Basically everything that happened after I left the waca

+ve
Ashton Turner once again getting the job done for WA when they're in the shit.

Wonder if he can play CHF

 

[Midnite65]

Disclaimer before I get in to this ... I am glad Norths won given how poorly Freo played. Freo did not deserve to salvage that game from a Free Kick after the siren. But ...

You can watch the last 2min replay and clearly see the ball crosses the line then bounces, then the siren sounds and then the Norths players start to celebrate. You can also clearly pause the video showing the ball over the boundary line prior to hearing the siren and seeing any celebration from North players.
I truly believe anybody being objective would admit the ball crossed the boundary line prior to the siren.

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Which then leads me to what I posted on the main Autoposy thread ...

It was the wrong decision by the umpires for the following reasons;

• decisions can be made after the siren.
• the siren went after the ball had crossed the boundary line.
• it was clearly out of bounds intentionally.

Anybody who tries to argue that the decision must be made before the siren is wrong because if a player is having a set shot at goal after the siren and the opposition infringes on the mark, then a 50m penalty will be given ... after the siren.
The law states;
10.5 END OF QUARTER
(a) The end of a quarter occurs when any field Umpire or emergency Umpire first
hears the siren sounded by the Timekeepers to signal the end of a quarter.
The field Umpire shall acknowledge the siren and bring play to an end by blowing
a whistle and holding both arms above their head.
(b) For the avoidance of doubt, if immediately before hearing the siren to end a
quarter, a field Umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a Free
Kick or a Mark, the field Umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then
award the Free Kick or Mark to the Player. A Free Kick will not be awarded where
the football has been kicked and, after the field Umpire has heard the siren,
lands Out of Bounds On the Full.

EDIT: personally, Freo did not deserve to win on that performance, but games should be umpired according to the rules and umpires should be aware of those rules.

The ball was nearly in the stand when the siren went. The thing I can't get over is we have 4 green maggots in the middle now as well as 4 boundary umpires and a review system but yet the wrong decision was made in seconds with very little discussion. We will just move on but imagine it happening to the Magpies or Tigers.

The other thing that pisses me off no end is the use of the 50m. In both our game and others I have seen so far this year they subjectively decide when to apply it or not. For example we get a 50 against us tonight for kicking it after a free was given yet they do it and no penalty. Also it has always been a 50 if you don't return the ball to the player yet tonight North just dropped the ball on the ground with no 50. Again it doesn't cost us the game but either penalise these always or don't penalise them at all.

 

[Midnite65]

Got a few thoughts on him actually I might have missed them.

• He's dogshit
• He's like...really really dogshit

He's 21 mate!!! Go back and see how good Tom Hawkins was when he was 21.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

Got a few thoughts on him actually I might have missed them.

• He's dogshit
• He's like...really really dogshit

Now tell us what you really think!

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Laughable and sad really.

Does this type of shit happen to anyone else?

Because I don't think it does.

 

[Midnite65]

Until you realise Geelong have played Collingwood and Carlton and we have played saints and North.

You mean the Saints on top of the ladder?

 

[WilloTree]

There is a 30 or 40 game price you have to pay to get a good player (especially key forward) from the draft. It consists of frustration and inconsistency for coaches and fans but only when the player comes out the other side, with 50 odd games they will start to flourish and be consistently good.

Amiss has played 4 games.
Sturt has played 5 game.
Treacy has played 22 games.
Erasmus has played 5 games
Johnson has played 0 games.

An important point to note - you CANNOT short circuit this price by “developing him in the WAFL”
This is a flawed strategy. You are only delaying the payment of the price at AFL level to later. There is NO substitute for AFL match experience. None.

Ed Langdon said it took him until he was in his 4th season before it all clicked for him.

Talls generally take longer as well. e.g. Matthew Taberner had his first good season in his 8th year.

Of course there are exceptions. Jesse Hogan is one, but I don't think now is the time to even mention his name.

 

[Johnny Dalmas]

We have some good players. Some talented players.

But the way they are being asked to play is beyond the pale.

Oh and when Fyfe is fit? He has to go into the centre square.

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

In Sonny We Trust.

 

[Van_Dyke]

+ve
Ashton Turner once again getting the job done for WA when they're in the s**t.

Wonder if he can play CHF

he is a freo fan…

 

[s_wd6]

He's 21 mate!!! Go back and see how good Tom Hawkins was when he was 21.

Tom Hawkins was a f/s pick. Luke Jackson cost us two firsts (including a top 5 pick !!) and a second. And a 900k 7year contract. I have a right to criticise his game.

 

[FreoRicci]

Jackson was never that good, and hasn’t showed any consistency during his career. He’s developing and have to accept that

 

[s_wd6]

Jackson was never that good, and hasn’t showed any consistency during his career. He’s developing and have to accept that

He hasn't played a good game since round 1 last year. It'd be great if he was developing while we had a competent key forward in our team and we could actually utilise him properly. But his issues are right down to the basics like marking the ****ing ball.

 

[Midnite65]

at least he knew where to run and how to kick. Jackson is a basketball playing ruckman. hes a poor mans nic nat. hes a fine player but nothing close to what we need. and to get this peanut, we lost griffin logue.

KPF's and Ruckmen don't peak until mid 20's so you are just going to have to be patient like everyone else.

 

[Randomizor]

I’ve been probably his biggest detractor but thank god for Walters today. Should have played the whole game.

His field kicking leaves something to be desired but JOM is a beautiful kick for goal.

 

[Purple Jesus]

I said it before the trade and I’ll say it again. Mortgaging the future for ‘potential’ when we’re supposed to be in contention is and was ****ing stupid.