Autopsy Freo Lose To North at Home

[WhoneedsMcLeod]

Can't believe people worrying about the late OOB call. We were smashed, full stop.
Re Taberner, hopeless, never been any good, how many simple marks has has he put down over the journey? I still have vivid memories of him spilling a sitter in the goal square in a final v Sydney Olympic Park or whatever it's called. Now old and injuruy prone, cull him. JL, how come these coaches on big money are so dumb, sat like a statue for two full games less 4 minutes before making any kind of change up. A move of Cox, Ryan or Young forward and we may have won both games. Re our overhead ability forward of half back, we don't have any, no one capable of looking like taking an overhead mark. Don't get hung up on ideas about Fyfe or Sonny coming back as saviours. Fyfe is cooked, start the testimonial and Sonny snagged a couple but he is getting on in years.

Having said all that, our main issue is we don't have any 'silk' in the team, just smallish battlers and that is not sustainable. For example, Brayshaw, massive trier, 110% effort, however none of the Brayshaw family are classy footballers, just cricketers who devote their life to fitness and 110% percent effort and commitment.

We are going no-where short/medium term. Sucked in.

 

[arsesmart]

On the boundary but not that far out. Certainly the 3Qtr time effort against saints was around 35metres at most. Switta marked about 40odd out closer to the middle and then chipped at least 15metres to Henry who had a shot after the siren.

Probably about 40 out as from the kick point. Henry had been involved that particular passage of play twice before then and run from the opposite pocket at the other end to boot. So a chance of fatigue paying a part. Common affliction for mids shooting on goals.

Also it's the pocket you don't want to shoot from as a right footer.

Still not to say it's something he couldn't work on.

At least the goal shooting issue has some observable basis. Most all the other harsh judgement calls getting thrown about on Henry seem very impressionistic and not based in actual things that have happened.

 

[gaskin]

I still don't see how you can conclusively say from this vision the ball was out after the siren.

 

[ignoramus]

Whilst I think Darcy has been bad.. our midfield is worse

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That is damning.

 

[PurpleEyes]

Probably about 40 out as from the kick point. Henry had been involved that particular passage of play twice before then and run from the opposite pocket at the other end to boot. So a chance of fatigue paying a part. Common affliction for mids shooting on goals.

Also it's the pocket you don't want to shoot from as a right footer.

Still not to say it's something he couldn't work on.

At least the goal shooting issue has some observable basis. Most all the other harsh judgement calls getting thrown about on Henry seem very impressionistic and not based in actual things that have happened.

Late in the game, Henry chose a bad option with a centering pass that resulted in a turnover. I can fairly easily excuse/forgive that type of mistake but where I am very critical of him is his followup work after his stuff up ... there was none. He had two opportunities to tackle but chose to stand off both times and Norths slotted an easy goal.

That type of thing will very quickly sour my opinion of a Freo player and I'm sure it does little for his team mates.
Whereas, one of our other players of similar size, Son Son, has on numerous occasions shown desperation to make amends after a mistake. Henry is no Son Son and if Henry wants to become a 150gamer for Freo he needs to address his poor contested football quickly.

 

[Nolo180]

Weren't both those shots of Henry's from the boundary and fair distances out?

Probably about 40 out as from the kick point. Henry had been involved that particular passage of play twice before then and run from the opposite pocket at the other end to boot. So a chance of fatigue paying a part. Common affliction for mids shooting on goals.

Also it's the pocket you don't want to shoot from as a right footer.

Still not to say it's something he couldn't work on.

At least the goal shooting issue has some observable basis. Most all the other harsh judgement calls getting thrown about on Henry seem very impressionistic and not based in actual things that have happened.

They were tough shots. I would prefer him to deliver it fwd better as a priority. In the first quarter he was approaching fwd 50 when he had shultz short? and amiss leading into pocket but he kicked it in between and to neither in particular. Not sure if poor skills or decision making. Hard to tell. Maybe both. Sums up the game in general.

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

There's one particular aspect of our ball movement that kills me every time I see it. Even when we've been flying in periods last year, we still make the same poor decision time and time again, so much so that it has to be instruction.

It's usually Brayshaw who offers the option, interchange side of the ground, on the 45 (essentially the corner points of the centre square.) I watch in frustration every time we miss the option, preferring to go long down the boundary to contests we barely ever win, typically to a Freddy or Walters type outsized/outstrengthed by their opponent.

I can't be stuffed going through the game again to find the perfect example of it, but here's a rough idea of what I'm talking about. We literally NEVER take the 45 option coming out of D50. EVER. It's the one kick we should be taking out of transition, we bizarrely ALWAYS have someone there to offer the out and open up the whole corridor, and we NEVER EVER take it.

Here's a reasonable example of it. Wilson has the ball tight on the boundary, with two options on the 45, one being Young in space who could seriously open up the corridor attack and can take a contested grab if it's closed down, and yet we persist with a boundary side kick and hope.

 

[PurpleEyes]

I still don't see how you can conclusively say from this vision the ball was out after the siren.

I have posted (previously in this thread) multiple pictures of screen captures from the AFL's last 2min replay which show the ball was over the boundary when the siren started to sound. I am 100% sure of this given the audio and the player's reactions and the times shown on the video replay.

But having said that, my issue with the whole saga is not if you or the umpires believed the ball was or was not across the boundary line ... umpires get those type of decisions wrong often, which is why we now have goal reviews.
My issue is all the other excuses and explanations that are being thrown about as the reasons why the Free was not given.
It really is a simple case of whether that siren went before or after the ball crossed the boundary line ... all this junk commentary (by both the game commentators and then later by AFL round in review commentary) about whether the boundary umpire signalled in time is what frustrates me. There is nothing in the laws to suggest that should be a consideration.

Freo have history of seemingly most often being on the wrong end of these type of decisions and when people choose to include junk excuses and nonsense reasons, I get extra frustrated. If they just said the two umpires believed the siren had gone prior to the ball crossing, then I would be like, I disagree, but big whoop, we deserved to get beat anyways ... but when I see people trying to explain and justify the wrong decision, that rubbish stinks.

 

[apuchar]

As I don't watch replays if loses can someone remember if we started with Jackson in the ruck and Darcy forward?.

 

[freo_leo29]

As I don't watch replays if loses can someone remember if we started with Jackson in the ruck and Darcy forward?.

Yeah we did


Ridiculous call IMO, Darcy is not a forward

 

[apuchar]

Yeah we did


Ridiculous call IMO, Darcy is not a forward

It seems neither of them are at the moment. Can't see us keeping Darcy if we see Jackson as a future first Ruck.

 

[FreoRicci]

As I don't watch replays if loses can someone remember if we started with Jackson in the ruck and Darcy forward?.

We did. Weird.
Jl just can't get it right. Amiss should've started and Darcy on the bench.

 

[FreoRicci]

It seems neither of them are at the moment. Can't see us keeping Darcy if we see Jackson as a future first Ruck.

But we don't. Not once has the coaches, list manager has said that. It's as utility. Back up to Darcy. He's not a first ruck.

He was the hope because Lobb left. Suddenly he can't take marks and he looks terrible. Clarke was more efficient up forward then Jackson.

 

[apuchar]

We did. Weird.
Jl just can't get it right. Amiss should've started and Darcy on the bench.

Do we want a ruckman on the bench long-term? We recruited Jackson as a forward/ruck. If he doesn't play that role we have an issue

 

[EastcoastDocker]

There's one particular aspect of our ball movement that kills me every time I see it. Even when we've been flying in periods last year, we still make the same poor decision time and time again, so much so that it has to be instruction.

It's usually Brayshaw who offers the option, interchange side of the ground, on the 45 (essentially the corner points of the centre square.) I watch in frustration every time we miss the option, preferring to go long down the boundary to contests we barely ever win, typically to a Freddy or Walters type outsized/outstrengthed by their opponent.

I can't be stuffed going through the game again to find the perfect example of it, but here's a rough idea of what I'm talking about. We literally NEVER take the 45 option coming out of D50. EVER. It's the one kick we should be taking out of transition, we bizarrely ALWAYS have someone there to offer the out and open up the whole corridor, and we NEVER EVER take it.

Here's a reasonable example of it. Wilson has the ball tight on the boundary, with two options on the 45, one being Young in space who could seriously open up the corridor attack and can take a contested grab if it's closed down, and yet we persist with a boundary side kick and hope.


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I can understand bypassing the short kick to Brayshaw. Andy isn't the greatest kick tbh and would rather him being around the next contest further up the field. The amount of times they miss the 30m hit up to youngie I'm the corridor is baffling. Every other team try to get it to their best ball users. We seem to like to give it to Luke Ryan for the inevitable kick it long down the line. It's not a terrible outcome in that we don't normally get outmarked down the line so statistically probably comes up as an effective disposal but just makes us so easy to play against.

 

[FreoRicci]

Do we want a ruckman on the bench long-term? We recruited Jackson as a forward/ruck. If he doesn't play that role we have an issue

But rucks can rest on the bench and trial a small ball line up. Opposition actually do it.

 

[apuchar]

But we don't. Not once has the coaches, list manager has said that. It's as utility. Back up to Darcy. He's not a first ruck.

He was the hope because Lobb left. Suddenly he can't take marks and he looks terrible. Clarke was more efficient up forward then Jackson.

That's what I thought too, but we started with Jackson in the ruck. Unless it wasn't horses for courses we seem to be heading in a different direction to the narrative.

 

[apuchar]

But rucks can rest on the bench and trial a small ball line up. Opposition actually do it.

Surely the number one ruck starts though.

 

[FreoRicci]

That's what I thought too, but we started with Jackson in the ruck. Unless it wasn't horses for courses we seem to be heading in a different direction to the narrative.

The coaches desperately trying to change it up.
Jackson has no elite position. He's a compotent back up because Gawn is the number 1 ruck in the league. OF course with the midfield he had around him he's going to look good.

The issue personally is how poor Darcy has been. Winning taps, and it goes straight to the throats of the opposition. Can't mark, is always looking slow and sore. Since 2021, he's been so off it's not funny. The midfield mix around him is crap too. All standing on the outside and Darcy taps it INSIDE hence the clearance then is a loss.

 

[arsesmart]

They were tough shots. I would prefer him to deliver it fwd better as a priority. In the first quarter he was approaching fwd 50 when he had shultz short? and amiss leading into pocket but he kicked it in between and to neither in particular. Not sure if poor skills or decision making. Hard to tell. Maybe both. Sums up the game in general.

Generally his skills and decision making are top notch.

Nit picking single errors and crucifying players (especially young players) for them, isn't all that conducive to developing daring ball movement.

 

[apuchar]

The coaches desperately trying to change it up.
Jackson has no elite position. He's a compotent back up because Gawn is the number 1 ruck in the league. OF course with the midfield he had around him he's going to look good.

The issue personally is how poor Darcy has been. Winning taps, and it goes straight to the throats of the opposition. Can't mark, is always looking slow and sore. Since 2021, he's been so off it's not funny. The midfield mix around him is crap too. All standing on the outside and Darcy taps it INSIDE hence the clearance then is a loss.

Yeah I noticed that too. Especially Brayshaw. Stood behind his opp and then tried to tackle. Which had no impact and the handball went straight to a north player, playing off Serong especially.

 

[PurpleEyes]

I was going with the AFL website commentary, apparently the siren went before the boundary ump called out of bounds.

That is one of their current chosen narratives ... but that isn't in the laws of AFL.
There is nothing to suggest that when a boundary umpire signals a call, it has any bearing on the outcome of a Free Kick.
If there is any doubt about the time when the ball crossed the boundary, then the two umpires should just have a general conversation as we have seen them do many times before in games.

Meanwhile, the laws clearly state that an umpire can give a free kick after the siren and after they signal end of play, if it is believed the free kick happened immediately prior to the siren.

 

[TheInjuryFactory]

I can understand bypassing the short kick to Brayshaw. Andy isn't the greatest kick tbh and would rather him being around the next contest further up the field. The amount of times they miss the 30m hit up to youngie I'm the corridor is baffling. Every other team try to get it to their best ball users. We seem to like to give it to Luke Ryan for the inevitable kick it long down the line. It's not a terrible outcome in that we don't normally get outmarked down the line so statistically probably comes up as an effective disposal but just makes us so easy to play against.

No argument re Andy's disposal, but you have to take that kick. It's the only way to generate run from behind and open up the corridor.

Not taking it forces us wide and down the line where we would be fifty/fifty at best to halve the contest out of bounds or give the turnover that leaves us out of position and an open D50 under siege.

 

[EastcoastDocker]

If they were going to use Jackson the way they are now they may as well have traded for Mason bloody Cox

 

[FreoRicci]

Yeah I noticed that too. Especially Brayshaw. Stood behind his opp and then tried to tackle. Which had no impact and the handball went straight to a north player, playing off Serong especially.

Not quite sure why that is the case. After the St Kilda game, surely adjustment to try and make it an inside game would've made clearances 50/50. Darcy taps has no power to the outside, he's better at palming it down. Yet Serong is on the outside and Brayshaw manning LDU, when he's the best midfielder on the team.