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Mega Thread Freo say no to Buddy
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I always took "selling the farm" to be a reference to trading away heaps, which in a FA situation is irrelevant. If there is salary space, who cares?
I don't see him in purple next season.
Long way to go yet - the way I see it, he is yours to lose and you have all year to work something out. It may mean making some hard decisions on players, but if you want him bad enough I think you can still keep him (unfortunately for us).
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Buddy would pay for himself in no time. He is not just a great player, but an extremely powerful marketing tool. What he costs in salary cap space would easily be recovered in football department spending.
He is the number 1 merchandise purchased in the afl.
He is the number 1 merchandise purchased in the afl.
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payback for the Croad trade suck it Hawforn!
Selling merchandise doesn't help in any way with salary cap. In the end we will need to be finding money for Fyfe, Mundy, Hill, etc etc. It is in that area that I am least happy about chasing a gun player. The pain comes from the inability to keep all your players. But, that is where the league is heading.
On the Buddy thread on the Hawks Board some are bemoaning the lack of loyalty. The irony from a club that was at the forefront of making a trade if it benefits you (Croad) is substantial. They also ripped Gunston from the Power, and just recruited Brian Lake which would directly impact their ability to keep Buddy you would think.
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Freo would be negligent to not have a go. Does any club have as much cap space as us? Financially, we can offer heaps more than the Hawks. Their offer is apparently 900 grand to a mil per season, whereas we could offer him at least another $300m a season. At the very least. I'd imagine we'd front load his contract as well. I guess we have the home state thing as well, but...
...Is Buddy going to move? I mean, he just seems like a big city boy. I don't think Perth has enough going on to really entertain him. Financially, he'd probably be able to scrounge out a bit more money in Victoria than he would WA. And the idea of him leaving Hawthorn to another Melburnian club just seems really, really unlikely.
I think he'll stay at Hawthorn. He's probably doing The Cloke. But Fremantle should be going really, really hard for him.
What kind of club has ever had a succession plan akin to Pavlich to Franklin? They're both the kind of footballers you're only lucky enough to get every decade. And thats not to mention the one or two seasons they'd share together. Fyfey in two years as well? Fuaaar. Flag favourites. It'd be huge if we managed to pick him up. And it's not like the Croad or Tarrant deals of years gone by: Buddy is wanted by every single club in the league. He's not a discard and he's basically in his prime. I'm not getting my hopes up, but if he came to the Dockers...
...Is Buddy going to move? I mean, he just seems like a big city boy. I don't think Perth has enough going on to really entertain him. Financially, he'd probably be able to scrounge out a bit more money in Victoria than he would WA. And the idea of him leaving Hawthorn to another Melburnian club just seems really, really unlikely.
I think he'll stay at Hawthorn. He's probably doing The Cloke. But Fremantle should be going really, really hard for him.
What kind of club has ever had a succession plan akin to Pavlich to Franklin? They're both the kind of footballers you're only lucky enough to get every decade. And thats not to mention the one or two seasons they'd share together. Fyfey in two years as well? Fuaaar. Flag favourites. It'd be huge if we managed to pick him up. And it's not like the Croad or Tarrant deals of years gone by: Buddy is wanted by every single club in the league. He's not a discard and he's basically in his prime. I'm not getting my hopes up, but if he came to the Dockers...
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Everyone knows my thoughts on Hill. I can't imagine Fyfe going interstate. And the Mundy to Victoria charade has been going on for years. We'd frontload the contract of Franklin, making his first two years huge and his last one or two fairly average (as in, 250k). You could fit those players in there. Or, just backload the contract of Fyfe and co.
There is salary space available now, but if Buddy is taking the remaining space out of your cap, there are potentially issues in later seasons when younger guys like Fyfe and co are worthy of payrises. This is exactly the situation Hawthorn find themselves in at the moment - there's no space for Buddy.
The more I read into this, the more I'm convinced Buddy will be at Freo next season:
1. Arguably in a Premiership Window
2. Have the Salary Cap.
3. Lyons game plan demands a key forward
4. Steve Harris understands Buddy's value as a marketing tool probably more than any other President in the AFL
5. Recent ability to secure big 'loyal' names: Lyon, Sumich
This doesnt include the 'go-home factor'
I'm sure there are many more data points, like $1,500,000 more........
Buddy FFC 2014
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this is gonna take a little bit of getting used to.
So we'll probably have to offer buddy 1.5mil +,I'm down with that.
Jeez if we do get buddy it buys us a good amount of time to actually draft a quality KPF.
Jeez if we do get buddy it buys us a good amount of time to actually draft a quality KPF.
They already have $1mil + available to use. Mundy fits nicely
Pav can go three more seasons, the last two standing in the goal square with Lance at CHF.
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It'd be on a front loaded contract. No club can pay 1.5M per season and not trade out it's young list on the contract table when they're renewing those low end contracts.
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Oh Buddy, come to me baby.
pavsbootlace
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this is gonna take a little bit of getting used to.
I've already changed my avatar.
EDIT - Although it appears it didn't work. Will have to try again
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i'm only willing to offer him huge coin with the following provisos:
1. he's able to endear himself to the playing group. i don't want a bloke in the change rooms acting like a gansta superstar and putting them offside
3. he can play to the game plan
2. it doesn't affect our ability to reward other players fairly.
i look at the how the hawks played without him last year and think they were much more cohesive and damaging as a unit when he wasn't on the field. with buddy in the team, they seemed much more reliant on him as an individual player to win games. if you live by buddy, you die by buddy. having said that, it's near impossible to draft a quality tall forward, as we've seen with clark and cloke, so i understand we might need to overreach to get one while we're developing the young'uns.
edit. actually, **** it. if we want to be a big club, with big plans moving into new training facilities and bigger stadium, then we need big ticket draw cards to increase membership and sell shit. i'm on the bandwagon.
1. he's able to endear himself to the playing group. i don't want a bloke in the change rooms acting like a gansta superstar and putting them offside
3. he can play to the game plan
2. it doesn't affect our ability to reward other players fairly.
i look at the how the hawks played without him last year and think they were much more cohesive and damaging as a unit when he wasn't on the field. with buddy in the team, they seemed much more reliant on him as an individual player to win games. if you live by buddy, you die by buddy. having said that, it's near impossible to draft a quality tall forward, as we've seen with clark and cloke, so i understand we might need to overreach to get one while we're developing the young'uns.
edit. actually, **** it. if we want to be a big club, with big plans moving into new training facilities and bigger stadium, then we need big ticket draw cards to increase membership and sell shit. i'm on the bandwagon.
I've just crunched some numbers and come up with some career stats. From the following group of players Buddy has the highest average number of goals per game (3.2), but also the highest number of behinds per game (2.4). His goal conversion for scoring shots isn't flash at all (57.5%), but not the worst in this group - that "honour" goes to Travis Cloke. The most important stat though is that he kicks the highest score per game form this group of players - an average of 21.8 points per game (over his career). In 2012 his average was 25.2 points per game - and after Buddy, there is a LOT of daylight until the next group.
Ave Goals/game played Ave behinds/game played Ave goals/scoring shots (%) Ave points/game played
Lance Franklin 3.2 2.4 57.5 21.8
Taylor Walker Career 2.4 1.5 61.7 15.8
Jonathan Brown Career 2.4 1.3 64.3 15.5
Jack Riewoldt Career 2.3 1.3 63.4 15.4
Mark LeCras Career 2.3 1.1 67.6 15.2
Nick Riewoldt Career 2.2 1.5 60.0 14.6
Stephen Milne Career 2.1 1.2 64.2 13.9
Matthew Pavlich 2 1.2 62.3 13.2
Jeremy Cameron Career 1.8 0.9 65.9 11.8
Tom Hawkins Career 1.7 1.0 62.8 11.0
Josh J. Kennedy Career 1.7 1.0 62.3 11.1
Travis Cloke Career 1.6 1.4 54.1 11.1
Stewart Crameri Career 1.6 1.3 55.9 10.9
Eddie Betts Career 1.6 0.9 64.5 10.4
Jack Darling Career 1.6 0.8 68.1 10.6
Jay Schulz Career 1.4 0.7 65.3 9.1
Gary Ablett Career 1.3 1.0 56.0 8.9
Drew Petrie Career 1.2 0.8 60.8 7.8
Daniel Giansiracusa Career 1.2 0.7 65.0 8.0
Adam Goodes Career 1.2 0.8 60.9 8.1
Mitchell Clark Career 1 0.7 59.2 6.5
Lewis Jetta Career 0.9 0.8 55.0 6.4
Ave Goals/game played Ave behinds/game played Ave goals/scoring shots (%) Ave points/game played
Lance Franklin 3.2 2.4 57.5 21.8
Taylor Walker Career 2.4 1.5 61.7 15.8
Jonathan Brown Career 2.4 1.3 64.3 15.5
Jack Riewoldt Career 2.3 1.3 63.4 15.4
Mark LeCras Career 2.3 1.1 67.6 15.2
Nick Riewoldt Career 2.2 1.5 60.0 14.6
Stephen Milne Career 2.1 1.2 64.2 13.9
Matthew Pavlich 2 1.2 62.3 13.2
Jeremy Cameron Career 1.8 0.9 65.9 11.8
Tom Hawkins Career 1.7 1.0 62.8 11.0
Josh J. Kennedy Career 1.7 1.0 62.3 11.1
Travis Cloke Career 1.6 1.4 54.1 11.1
Stewart Crameri Career 1.6 1.3 55.9 10.9
Eddie Betts Career 1.6 0.9 64.5 10.4
Jack Darling Career 1.6 0.8 68.1 10.6
Jay Schulz Career 1.4 0.7 65.3 9.1
Gary Ablett Career 1.3 1.0 56.0 8.9
Drew Petrie Career 1.2 0.8 60.8 7.8
Daniel Giansiracusa Career 1.2 0.7 65.0 8.0
Adam Goodes Career 1.2 0.8 60.9 8.1
Mitchell Clark Career 1 0.7 59.2 6.5
Lewis Jetta Career 0.9 0.8 55.0 6.4
Buddy comes and Pav barely leaves the goal square until he retires in 2016.
We trade out a couple of players and draft a KPF and gun mid.
Happy days
We trade out a couple of players and draft a KPF and gun mid.
Happy days
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I considered this last night when I heard the news, and was thinking maybe Buddy has finally started to grow up a bit and realise there's more important things in life than nightclubs. After all, this is possibly the last contract of his career.
Having said that I still doubt very much he'll end up here. Like you say a succession plan of Pav to Buddy is just too good to be true. At least before we were under no illusions as to our chances, but now Buddy is going to get our hopes up all year before he re-signs and cruelly dashes them. We can still hope the media circus hurts Hawthorn's chances this year though I guess.
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I love the title of this thread: "Freo Say No to Buddy"
"No Buddy, that's Pav's parking space, your spot will be over there."
"No, it won't be a problem organising housing and employment for your entire extended family"
"No, we won't be trading for Sharrod"
"No Buddy, Peppermint Grove is for old people, you'll want to be living on the beach in Cottesloe"
"No, it doesn't rain in summer over here, plenty of young ladies walk around dressed like that. And yes Buddy, they know who you are."
"No Buddy, that's Pav's parking space, your spot will be over there."
"No, it won't be a problem organising housing and employment for your entire extended family"
"No, we won't be trading for Sharrod"
"No Buddy, Peppermint Grove is for old people, you'll want to be living on the beach in Cottesloe"
"No, it doesn't rain in summer over here, plenty of young ladies walk around dressed like that. And yes Buddy, they know who you are."
I can't see it happening. I think Buddy just wants to keep his options open so that if another club makes a better offer then he can formally invite Hawthorn to match it. I reckon he'll stay at the Hawks.
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Last year I travelled from Sydney to Melbourne to see Freo play North and I was spewing when Pav didn't run out.
Team did ok that day...
Still think Pav is worth having, though.
Yeah, but what is his on-base average?
I'd prefer to wait for this season to start. Who knows what budding talent we have that may step up this year.
Too early to be thinking about 2014. We may not need Buddy.
Too early to be thinking about 2014. We may not need Buddy.
