fringe players

[zorbadunde]

with collingwoods good drafting in last couple of years, do any of you guys think it is viable to trade off our fringe players.

for example lonie for a round 4, and brodie for a round 3 or a high 2. if we do this i believe the pies will be better off instead of straight delisting them.

what are your thoughts
cheers guys

 

[hellfire]

I doubt Brodie could get a 2nd or 3rd rounder. If it can be done, I'd rather upgrade our picks, eg. Pick 31 + Lonie for pick 24 or something.

 

[Bloben]

I think the best thing about our depth is that players that can't make the seniors may have value at other clubs. That is when you know that the side is looking the goods.

There is a train of thought that it is good to keep guys for depth - just look at Wakelin last year - however if we could trade Lonie and Holland for pick upgrades I would do it in a flash. If we had injuries then I would prefer guys like Stanley, Cook and even Wellingham get a run before Lonie and Holland.

 

[Barwick17]

I think the best thing about our depth is that players that can't make the seniors may have value at other clubs. That is when you know that the side is looking the goods.

There is a train of thought that it is good to keep guys for depth - just look at Wakelin last year - however if we could trade Lonie and Holland for pick upgrades I would do it in a flash. If we had injuries then I would prefer guys like Stanley, Cook and even Wellingham get a run before Lonie and Holland.

I would trade Lonie for a pick downgrade, just to get rid of him

 

[Ed D]

Wakelin was different as he is a KPP where as Lonie and Holland are both smaller players so if a spot is vacant a number of players can fill it, not just Holland or Lonie. You would definitely look at getting rid of players through trade before you delisted them, although I don't think we would delist these guys this year.

 

[Jabso]

You need fringe players, if you can't trade them off for a good deal then there is no point delisting them just because you think they're not automatic top 22 players. You can't have a list of 10 players who haven't debuted yet like we did in 2003/2004.

 

[OniAu]

You need fringe players, if you can't trade them off for a good deal then there is no point delisting them just because you think they're not automatic top 22 players. You can't have a list of 10 players who haven't debuted yet like we did in 2003/2004.

exactly, lonie is only 24 isnt he?. its not even that old and i still think he can offer the pies something. a year of injuries and not being selected in the best 22 can only make a player hungry and want to work on his weaknesses. lets hope lonie does this.

at the start of the year he was in our best 22 if you asked most pies supporters , just because some young guys have come and gone ahead of him , i dont think its a good enough reason to delist him. keep the depth at least if its not necessary to delist someone. especially with a predicted weak draft.

 

[Bloben]

You need fringe players, if you can't trade them off for a good deal then there is no point delisting them just because you think they're not automatic top 22 players. You can't have a list of 10 players who haven't debuted yet like we did in 2003/2004.

Yeah I agree that fringe players are worthwhile and would definately not delist per se but if we can get a pick upgrade then I would consider.

From our finals side which was close to our strongest minus Fraser we had guys like Rhyce Shaw and Ben Johnson out who would come in before lonie and holland. Also have Egan who would be back from injury who either needs to perform next year or be out. I also think that if the opportunity through injury presents itself that we should introduce some of our kids like Stanley and co.

 

[doppleganger]

Dont see the point in that at all.

We already have a bunch of young kids who may or may not make it, guys like Anthony, Cox, Stanley, Cook, Brown, Wellingham, Dick etc. there is no gaurantee that these guys will be able to do jobs.

guys like Lonie, Egan, Holland, R.Shaw have proven that when they are fit and playing footy they can perform vital roles in the seniors. They all had poor years in 07 due to injury......no point throwing them away.

Many people would have put Wakelin and Lockyer in a similar category at the end of 06......Lockyer came out in 07 and almost won the Copeland, and Wakelin was our KP defender at the business end of the season and will go around again.

There is too much fascination with kids in this current day and age. You need a group of 30 odd blokes who can play quality senior footy, all of those 4 can do that when they are fit.

 

[shawthing09]

Dont see the point in that at all.

We already have a bunch of young kids who may or may not make it, guys like Anthony, Cox, Stanley, Cook, Brown, Wellingham, Dick etc. there is no gaurantee that these guys will be able to do jobs.

guys like Lonie, Egan, Holland, R.Shaw have proven that when they are fit and playing footy they can perform vital roles in the seniors. They all had poor years in 07 due to injury......no point throwing them away.

Many people would have put Wakelin and Lockyer in a similar category at the end of 06......Lockyer came out in 07 and almost won the Copeland, and Wakelin was our KP defender at the business end of the season and will go around again.

There is too much fascination with kids in this current day and age. You need a group of 30 odd blokes who can play quality senior footy, all of those 4 can do that when they are fit.

I really don't think that he can play a role that we need worthy of keeping him on the list. We have far better all round footballers in any possie that Lonie has played.

 

[doppleganger]

I really don't think that he can play a role that we need worthy of keeping him on the list. We have far better all round footballers in any possie that Lonie has played.

Perhaps i am the only bloke who remembers watching some of the jobs he did on the likes of Goodes, B.Burton, and B.Johnson in 2006. He has the ability to play a negative role on the taller midfielders, and we all know he can hurt teams going the other way!

This year we were crying out for a bloke to play on Goodes!

 

[BEEG]

with collingwoods good drafting in last couple of years, do any of you guys think it is viable to trade off our fringe players.

for example lonie for a round 4, and brodie for a round 3 or a high 2. if we do this i believe the pies will be better off instead of straight delisting them.

what are your thoughts
cheers guys

All clubs need fringe players look at Geelong even they had Fringe players we need to keep Lonie and Hollond because we know they can come straight into the seniour side if we get injuries we need these players to come in so lets hope we dont get rid of them.

 

[shawthing09]

Perhaps i am the only bloke who remembers watching some of the jobs he did on the likes of Goodes, B.Burton, and B.Johnson in 2006. He has the ability to play a negative role on the taller midfielders, and we all know he can hurt teams going the other way!

This year we were crying out for a bloke to play on Goodes!

I remember these jobs he does match well on athletic tall mids but really as an all round tagger isn't the best and why waste time and list space teach 24/25 year old to be a tagger when we can get a broadie or Bj who have already played the role effectively to do it.

I am a believer that in most circumstances players of 23-25 should be at least in your 25 players. If they are not they are of more use to you and themself else where.

 

[doppleganger]

I remember these jobs he does match well on athletic tall mids but really as an all round tagger isn't the best and why waste time and list space teach 24/25 year old to be a tagger when we can get a broadie or Bj who have already played the role effectively to do it.

What do you mean teach him?? He was doing the job in 2006 and played 22 games in 2006.

2007 he was injured and couldn't get into any rythm.

Dont need to teach him anything, and there is no way Holland or BJ could play on Goodes, Burton, Embley etc.

Lonie can also use the ball well which is a massive plus.

I am a believer that in most circumstances players of 23-25 should be at least in your 25 players. If they are not they are of more use to you and themself else where.

When fit, ie 06, he was in our best 25 players, he played 22 of 23 games.

When ur injured it is pretty hard to hold ur place in the side!

 

[shawthing09]

What do you mean teach him?? He was doing the job in 2006 and played 22 games in 2006.

2007 he was injured and couldn't get into any rythm.

Dont need to teach him anything, and there is no way Holland or BJ could play on Goodes, Burton, Embley etc.

Lonie can also use the ball well which is a massive plus.


When fit, ie 06, he was in our best 25 players, he played 22 of 23 games.

When ur injured it is pretty hard to hold ur place in the side!

In 2006 our side make up was completely different. In 2006 Pendlebury palyed 5 odd games etc comparisons to that are pointless. Fact is we know what Lonie has to offer and IMO it is not good enough and is not of value to our structure and style of play, we can keep him for depth and be stagnant or we can be proactive and look for ways of adding and moving foward I.E using him to upgrade darft icks etc.

 

[doppleganger]

In 2006 our side make up was completely different. In 2006 Pendlebury palyed 5 odd games etc comparisons to that are pointless. Fact is we know what Lonie has to offer and IMO it is not good enough and is not of value to our structure and style of play, we can keep him for depth and be stagnant or we can be proactive and look for ways of adding and moving foward I.E using him to upgrade darft icks etc.

A couple of different approaches i suppose, can try to use him in one of ur draft upgrade things......ie lonie and pick #34 for pick #25. But that just means that the other club has to delist an extra player from their list, so doubtful it will happen. Even if it did, Hine usually has his players earmarked that he seems to keep under wraps and get anyway, so would prob still be available at the pick a few spots down the track!

And that means we give up a bloke who has played 100+ games of footy, some finals footy, and good quality senior footy when fit and confident. He could do a Lockyer and have a massive pre-season, and become a quality link man in our team. Or at worse he is a player who we know can step into the side if we have some injuries and play a role.

We were in a PF this year, we are a big show for a push towards a flag, we dont need to be introducing heaps and heaps of kids, we need a couple of quality kids and then need the senior guys around to develop them!

 

[shawthing09]

A couple of different approaches i suppose, can try to use him in one of ur draft upgrade things......ie lonie and pick #34 for pick #25. But that just means that the other club has to delist an extra player from their list, so doubtful it will happen. Even if it did, Hine usually has his players earmarked that he seems to keep under wraps and get anyway, so would prob still be available at the pick a few spots down the track!

And that means we give up a bloke who has played 100+ games of footy, some finals footy, and good quality senior footy when fit and confident. He could do a Lockyer and have a massive pre-season, and become a quality link man in our team. Or at worse he is a player who we know can step into the side if we have some injuries and play a role.

We were in a PF this year, we are a big show for a push towards a flag, we dont need to be introducing heaps and heaps of kids, we need a couple of quality kids and then need the senior guys around to develop them!

How many link men do we need? We have two great accumulators in Swan and Tarkz, Swan also has inside ability. We will lose Burns and O'bree soon Lonie is a massive excess and would have value to upgrade a pick IMO he is of little value to us

 

[doppleganger]

How many link men do we need? We have two great accumulators in Swan and Tarkz, Swan also has inside ability. We will lose Burns and O'bree soon Lonie is a massive excess and would have value to upgrade a pick IMO he is of little value to us

The game is now simply about midfield rotations, can never have too many guys who can run through the middle. Clearly we are coming from different angles

i think the pies are in flag winning territory, which means u need a deep list with guys who have played 100ish games, that is what the guys like Lonie, Holland, R.Shaw, Johno bring to the table.

U think we need to keep accumulating young blokes, and not worry about depth.

 

[Dazman]

Trading fringe players isn't always good.

There is the rule that whatever pick you receive in a trade you must use. No good getting pick 60 for Lonie if we're only going to have 3 picks because we'd have to pass on the 3rd round pick and use pick 60 in lieu of it. I hope that makes sense.

 

[shawthing09]

The game is now simply about midfield rotations, can never have too many guys who can run through the middle. Clearly we are coming from different angles

i think the pies are in flag winning territory, which means u need a deep list with guys who have played 100ish games, that is what the guys like Lonie, Holland, R.Shaw, Johno bring to the table.

U think we need to keep accumulating young blokes, and not worry about depth.

I don't exactly think we are not in flag winning territory now, I think if our side develops the way we hope then we will be a stronger chance in a couple years. I think we are a shot now and showed that last season, I also think that Lonie's style is not required in our side and doesn't fit in with our gameplan, Hence I think if we are struck with injuries or poor form to the point that Lonie is getting a game then we are out of flag territory.

Trading fringe players isn't always good.

There is the rule that whatever pick you receive in a trade you must use. No good getting pick 60 for Lonie if we're only going to have 3 picks because we'd have to pass on the 3rd round pick and use pick 60 in lieu of it. I hope that makes sense.

I am talking more for pick upgrades rather then useless picks. As is in turn our late second rounder to an early 2nd rounder something along those lines.

 

[Birell]

I think Lonie has a place in the team if he is fit throughout the year. I dont think best 22 is the only way to look at it as teams usually use between 28 and 34 players in season and Lonie would be in the best 34 when fit. I would also rather have Lonie doing the tagging jobs on Goodes, S. Burgoyne, Embly etc than Toovey.

 

[Kirby]

I would trade Lonie for a pick downgrade, just to get rid of him

Well said!!