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The future of the Port Adelaide AFL reserves


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The SANFL’s stand-alone clubs want Adelaide and Port Adelaide to focus on recruiting interstate talent – rather than plunder their backyards – as negotiations ramp up over improved concessions the AFL clubs will be granted to continue to field teams in the local league.
With the AFL putting a potential AFL reserves competition on hold indefinitely, the Crows and Port will again have their reserves sides play in the SANFL next season provided there is a rule tweak allowing them to access better top-up talent.

South Australia’s two AFL clubs have long threatened to pull their seconds teams out of the SANFL and play in either a national reserves competition or the VFL if they can’t improve their top-up lists, claiming the lack of supplementary talent is hindering the development of their young AFL players.

It is understood Adelaide and Port want greater access to promising SANFL talent, including under the SANFL Rookie Program, which this season netted Port former Norwood defender Logan Evans, who it later selected in the AFL mid-season rookie draft.

The Crows signed father-son prospect Tyler Welsh – the son of four-times Adelaide leading goalkicker Scott Welsh – from Woodville-West Torrens under the same program and are expected to take him in this year’s national draft.

A SANFL subcommittee working through the concessions that Port and the Crows will be offered to continue in the 10-club state league competition met with club chief executives on Monday afternoon.
Norwood chief executive James Fantasia, who spent many years in the AFL system as recruiting manager at Adelaide, general manager of football for the Western Bulldogs and football manager at Hawthorn, said the two AFL clubs should not be allowed to rob SANFL clubs of talented kids they had developed just to top up their sides.

He said the Crows and Port should instead recruit non AFL-listed players from interstate clubs, which would in turn bolster the standard of the SANFL. “My biggest concern is that if you are going to keep giving them concessions, don’t make rules which would allow them to have an easy pick off our list,’’ Fantasia said. “They should be encouraged to bring players into our competition and who might ultimately stay here, rather than draw on players from other SANFL clubs.’’

Examples include Port signing Jed Hagan from the WAFL last year and Adelaide recruiting former St Kilda and Collingwood-listed midfielder Nathan Freeman in 2022. The Crows also signed Tasmanian midfielder Oliver Davis to their SANFL squad in 2021 before he later joined South Adelaide.

It is understood that in early negotiations, SA’s two AFL clubs have asked to tap further into the SANFL Rookie Program in a bid to have more draftable SA talent at their disposal while also wanting access to two under-22 players and one over 23 player from local rivals. One rival SANFL CEO, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the Crows and Port should be forced to pay transfer fees to secure other SANFL talent. A transfer system is in place among the eight stand-alone clubs.

The stand-alone clubs understand the SANFL’s desire to keep the state’s two AFL clubs’ reserves teams in the local competition but fear improved concessions, which will include fixture equality, will give them a massive leg up on their state league rivals.
 
Are they serious? Could the tail try any harder to wag the dog?

The AFL clubs in the sanfl are basically forbidden from recruiting quality players from outside SA, the only option they have is to do it through the draft.

So they are banning us from drafting within SA, but they can't stop clubs from outside SA doing that.

What sort of ****ed up logic is that?
 
The SANFL’s stand-alone clubs want Adelaide and Port Adelaide to focus on recruiting interstate talent – rather than plunder their backyards – as negotiations ramp up over improved concessions the AFL clubs will be granted to continue to field teams in the local league.
With the AFL putting a potential AFL reserves competition on hold indefinitely, the Crows and Port will again have their reserves sides play in the SANFL next season provided there is a rule tweak allowing them to access better top-up talent.

South Australia’s two AFL clubs have long threatened to pull their seconds teams out of the SANFL and play in either a national reserves competition or the VFL if they can’t improve their top-up lists, claiming the lack of supplementary talent is hindering the development of their young AFL players.

It is understood Adelaide and Port want greater access to promising SANFL talent, including under the SANFL Rookie Program, which this season netted Port former Norwood defender Logan Evans, who it later selected in the AFL mid-season rookie draft.

The Crows signed father-son prospect Tyler Welsh – the son of four-times Adelaide leading goalkicker Scott Welsh – from Woodville-West Torrens under the same program and are expected to take him in this year’s national draft.

A SANFL subcommittee working through the concessions that Port and the Crows will be offered to continue in the 10-club state league competition met with club chief executives on Monday afternoon.
Norwood chief executive James Fantasia, who spent many years in the AFL system as recruiting manager at Adelaide, general manager of football for the Western Bulldogs and football manager at Hawthorn, said the two AFL clubs should not be allowed to rob SANFL clubs of talented kids they had developed just to top up their sides.

He said the Crows and Port should instead recruit non AFL-listed players from interstate clubs, which would in turn bolster the standard of the SANFL. “My biggest concern is that if you are going to keep giving them concessions, don’t make rules which would allow them to have an easy pick off our list,’’ Fantasia said. “They should be encouraged to bring players into our competition and who might ultimately stay here, rather than draw on players from other SANFL clubs.’’

Examples include Port signing Jed Hagan from the WAFL last year and Adelaide recruiting former St Kilda and Collingwood-listed midfielder Nathan Freeman in 2022. The Crows also signed Tasmanian midfielder Oliver Davis to their SANFL squad in 2021 before he later joined South Adelaide.

It is understood that in early negotiations, SA’s two AFL clubs have asked to tap further into the SANFL Rookie Program in a bid to have more draftable SA talent at their disposal while also wanting access to two under-22 players and one over 23 player from local rivals.One rival SANFL CEO, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the Crows and Port should be forced to pay transfer fees to secure other SANFL talent. A transfer system is in place among the eight stand-alone clubs.

The stand-alone clubs understand the SANFL’s desire to keep the state’s two AFL clubs’ reserves teams in the local competition but fear improved concessions, which will include fixture equality, will give them a massive leg up on their state league rivals.
Yeah im sure blokes are gonna uproot their lives and move interstate for $400.00 a game Fanta. Nice one pal.
 

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Simple solution, give us our bloody zones back and let us develop our own talent.
Soon enough, our zones will be every SANFL teams best players, when the reserves comp starts.
 
The SANFL’s stand-alone clubs want Adelaide and Port Adelaide to focus on recruiting interstate talent – rather than plunder their backyards – as negotiations ramp up over improved concessions the AFL clubs will be granted to continue to field teams in the local league.
With the AFL putting a potential AFL reserves competition on hold indefinitely, the Crows and Port will again have their reserves sides play in the SANFL next season provided there is a rule tweak allowing them to access better top-up talent.

South Australia’s two AFL clubs have long threatened to pull their seconds teams out of the SANFL and play in either a national reserves competition or the VFL if they can’t improve their top-up lists, claiming the lack of supplementary talent is hindering the development of their young AFL players.

It is understood Adelaide and Port want greater access to promising SANFL talent, including under the SANFL Rookie Program, which this season netted Port former Norwood defender Logan Evans, who it later selected in the AFL mid-season rookie draft.

The Crows signed father-son prospect Tyler Welsh – the son of four-times Adelaide leading goalkicker Scott Welsh – from Woodville-West Torrens under the same program and are expected to take him in this year’s national draft.

A SANFL subcommittee working through the concessions that Port and the Crows will be offered to continue in the 10-club state league competition met with club chief executives on Monday afternoon.
Norwood chief executive James Fantasia, who spent many years in the AFL system as recruiting manager at Adelaide, general manager of football for the Western Bulldogs and football manager at Hawthorn, said the two AFL clubs should not be allowed to rob SANFL clubs of talented kids they had developed just to top up their sides.

He said the Crows and Port should instead recruit non AFL-listed players from interstate clubs, which would in turn bolster the standard of the SANFL. “My biggest concern is that if you are going to keep giving them concessions, don’t make rules which would allow them to have an easy pick off our list,’’ Fantasia said. “They should be encouraged to bring players into our competition and who might ultimately stay here, rather than draw on players from other SANFL clubs.’’

Examples include Port signing Jed Hagan from the WAFL last year and Adelaide recruiting former St Kilda and Collingwood-listed midfielder Nathan Freeman in 2022. The Crows also signed Tasmanian midfielder Oliver Davis to their SANFL squad in 2021 before he later joined South Adelaide.

It is understood that in early negotiations, SA’s two AFL clubs have asked to tap further into the SANFL Rookie Program in a bid to have more draftable SA talent at their disposal while also wanting access to two under-22 players and one over 23 player from local rivals. One rival SANFL CEO, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the Crows and Port should be forced to pay transfer fees to secure other SANFL talent. A transfer system is in place among the eight stand-alone clubs.

The stand-alone clubs understand the SANFL’s desire to keep the state’s two AFL clubs’ reserves teams in the local competition but fear improved concessions, which will include fixture equality, will give them a massive leg up on their state league rivals.
Instead of worry about us flogging your talent, how about you create an environment where they don’t want to leave?

This is so Adelaide/South Australian it isn’t funny! #heapsgood
 
Have you met the SANFL?

The word is that we will get the same rules as the affiliated VFL teams but watch the SANFL wait til it is too late for us to leave then water down what they offer.
And here they go. Positioning themselves to water down the concessions already.

Funny how willing they were to scavenge Ports Magpies players like Kirkwood and Hopkins when the AFL reserves came in.
 
And here they go. Positioning themselves to water down the concessions already.

Funny how willing they were to scavenge Ports Magpies players like Kirkwood and Hopkins when the AFL reserves came in.
Rose, Harren…
 

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Rucci has written an article about the transition from sanfl to AFL, thought the discussion by Brian Cunningham on the plan back in 1994 for the move in 1997 was interesting.

But what was the plan in 1994 when Port Adelaide was expecting total separation from the SANFL on making its AFL entry in 1997?

"We were in preliminary discussions with Port Districts (in amateur ranks)," reveals Cunningham.

This was a throwback to Port Adelaide having its alignment to Semaphore Centrals early in the 20th century.

"We wanted Port Districts to take our excess AFL players, probably 10-11 players not selected for AFL games each week. We had an in-principle agreement to talk more ... and Port Districts was quite happy to have our players have a run with them when not playing AFL.

"Of course, those talks never progressed once the SANFL demanded we keep a presence in their competition as the Port Adelaide Magpies."

Thirty years on, Cunningham notes "it has all come to a head now".
"The perfect model is a national reserves competition - and that was not on the agenda in 1994," Cunningham said. "Today, it is clear that a national reserves competition for all 18 AFL clubs is the solution. That was not possible - nor even discussed - in 1994.

"The 'One Club' vote in 2010 settled the identity issue as to which club - the one in the AFL or the one in the SANFL - was the real Port Adelaide. It should never have come to that," added Cunningham.


 
It came to that because Matthew Richardson kept pushing the Ethelton magpies as the 'real' Port Adelaide.
 
That Norwood ****er not complaining about taking the Eyre Peninsula off Port Adelaide
They may have taken the zone off of us but is there anything stopping us from going over there and offering Murphy/Sumner at Tumby, Jarvis at South, Amos at Boston, Miller/Liddle/Burgoyne/Wanganeen Malee Park, Castley/Slade Marble Range, Bennett at Elliston, Llewelyn at Port Neil top up options?

Get the Raikiwasa Brothers on the Pay role, maybe a Carr, Watson or Crettenden as ‘scouts’ or ‘coaches’ to identify fallen in the area who aren’t aligned to Norwood, West, Sturt systems already? That would be one from Lincoln, Eastern Eyre and Great Flinders.
 
Rose, Harren…
Every club scavenged at least one Port player from us.
Some had 4 or 5.
Took our zones and juniors.
Gave us unworkable top up rules to follow.

Screw the lot of them six ways from Sunday.

Get into a VFL comp, or an AFL Reserves comp, then grab every decent SANFL mature aged player we can.
They would be unable to prevent that happening, unless they got the AFL to bar us doing it.
And as someone posted, any promising kids in SA zones should be approached to play for us, rather than try their luck with SANFL sides, as a means to get drafted.
 
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