List Mgmt. Future Father Son prospects

[giantroo]

Spoiler

Any chance of of draft year lol

Tried to compile a list based on what ever information I could find. If anyone could fill in the rest of the gaps, feel free to assist.

Jackson Archer (2021)
Darby Scott (2021)
Jai Makepeace (2021/22)
Thomas Longmire (2021/22)

Dylan Makepeace (2022)
Cooper Harvey (2022)

Byron Pickett

Byron Pickett

Age

47

Ht

179cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.6

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

8.6

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

0.6

3star

Jnr (2023)
Lucas Rocca (2023)
Billy Longmire (2023)

Ryder Makepeace (2024)
Will Crocker (2024)
Lucas McCartney (2024)
River Stevens (2024)

2025
Zach Fairley (2025)
Kayde Pickett (2025)
Owen Simpson (2025)
Archer Grant (2025)
Kai Schwass (2025)

2026
Sam Harris (2026)
Aiden McCartney (2026)

2027-
Marcus Rocca (2027-2028)
Sasha Demetriou (2027-2028)
Suede Makepeace (2027-2028)
James Rock TBC
Jack Petrie (2028)
Conor Rawlings (2029)
Hudson Harvey (2030)
Thomas Colbert (~2031)
Noah McMahon (2031)
Ryder Hansen (2031)
Lenny Firrito (2031)
Mason Sinclair (2032)
Lachlan Goldstein (2033)
Max Firrito (2034)
Xavier Cunnington (2034)
Sebastian Gibson (2034)
Jude Swallow (2035)
Cohen Thomas (2035)
Sonny Sinclair (2037)
Flynn Thompson (2037)
Carter Carey (2037)
Charlie Goldstein (2039)
Kobe Cunnington (2039)
Laker Hansen (2030+)
[Unknown name] Hansen (2030+)
[Unknown name] Colbert (2032+)


Ineligible
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Tyler Welsh (2024) - Son of Scott
Tom Cochrane (2024) - Son of Stuart
Dusty Giester (2024) - Son of Paul
Jagger Mooney (2025) - Son of Cameron
Dougie Cochrane (2026) - Son of Stuart
Kody Lecras (2026) - Son of Brent
Ethan Abraham - Son of Winnie
Gary Abraham - Son of Winnie
[Unknown name] Abraham - Son of Winnie
Elijah Anderson (2030) - Son of Jed
Jasiah Anderson (2031) - Son of Jed
Archer Harvey (2025) - Son of Shane
Jett Harvey (2028) - Son of Shane
Slater Harvey (2031) - Son of Shane
Louis Thompson (2021) - Son of Nathan
Benjamin Thompson (2023) - Son of Nathan
Jude Dal Santo (2033)
Hendrix Daw (2037)
Isaiah Hall (2038)
Riley Polec (2038)

 

[MaddAdam]

Joel just needs to stick to a few games of school footy and his bloody homework!!!!!!

Getting caught out with some mates who are doing pingers couldn't hurt either.

 

[MaddAdam]

Blakey picking North makes a lot of sense to me. Picking Sydney puts pressure on his old man to change his role. Always good for young men to leave the nest and make it on their own, a bit of independence and get away from home. I really do think he picks north.

This is the only hope I have for Blakey picking us - the Ryan Pagan type scenario.

 

[King Corey]

Getting caught out with some mates who are doing pingers couldn't hurt either.

We're not the club to joke about this. With our luck the promising North prospect would take the running down their stock price thing too far and end up on a Dayle Garlett trajectory.

 

[Bell End]

A question I have is, say Blakey wants to go to Sydney, then on draft night another club selects Blakey with pick 2 and Sydney decide not to match, can we then if we want to take him as a f/s? My exact sinario may be off but say Sydney value him as 2nd rd and us as 1st can we do that if he nominated Sydney pre draft?

 

[King Corey]

A question I have is, say Blakey wants to go to Sydney, then on draft night another club selects Blakey with pick 2 and Sydney decide not to match

No, it's then a head to head between Sydney and the club that nominated him. He'll only be drafted by one of those 2.

can we then if we want to take him as a f/s?

Nope.

My exact sinario may be off but say Sydney value him as 2nd rd and us as 1st can we do that if he nominated Sydney pre draft?

Nup, if he nominates Sydney the only way we get him is by calling his name out with one of our picks such as our 1st round pick and testing whether Sydney want to match at the discounted price they'll be "entitled" to.

 

[Snake_Baker]

A question I have is, say Blakey wants to go to Sydney, then on draft night another club selects Blakey with pick 2 and Sydney decide not to match, can we then if we want to take him as a f/s? My exact sinario may be off but say Sydney value him as 2nd rd and us as 1st can we do that if he nominated Sydney pre draft?

It's highly likely the AFL swans will be parting with their 1st round pick Blakey.

 

[King Corey]

It's highly likely the AFL swans will be parting with their 1st round pick Blakey.

At a discount. Watch their pick 12 disappear during the transaction and reappear as picks 28,29 and 30.

 

[Snake_Baker]

At a discount. Watch their pick 12 disappear during the transaction and reappear as picks 28,29 and 30.

Are you sure they can do that?

My understanding is that they have to cough up round for round picks, or they dip out.

 

[tiltraise]

Are you sure they can do that?

My understanding is that they have to cough up round for round picks, or they dip out.

No they just need to match the points total with a 20% discount.

4 picks in the 30-40 range is fine so long as they have the list spots for that many picks.

 

[King Corey]

Are you sure they can do that?

My understanding is that they have to cough up round for round picks, or they dip out.

No they just need to match the points total with a 20% discount.

4 picks in the 30-40 range is fine so long as they have the list spots for that many picks.

Bit of both. They need to match with a selection in the same round but will be compensated with other picks as 'change' in transaction.

2015 was an outlier because criteria of holding a pick in the same round as the bid didn't exist meaning lots of clubs (including ours thankfully) were able to do some pretty furry trades with the NSW/QLD clubs and franchises.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No they just need to match the points total with a 20% discount.

4 picks in the 30-40 range is fine so long as they have the list spots for that many picks.

I have been told otherwise by others mate. The Swans will have to part with pick 1 this year or next year. They must match the round.

Pykie, where are you?

 

[tiltraise]

I have been told otherwise by others mate. The Swans will have to part with pick 1 this year or next year. They must match the round.

Pykie, where are you?

In 2016 Isaac Cumming was bid on at pick 20.

GWS matched the bid with picks 52,54,55 & 56.

 

[the big lebowski]

The Brisbane board educated me on this last year. Apparently things changed after the year we traded Bastinac when teams accumulated shits picks to match points for academy bidding.

You can't have more picks in the draft than you do list spots.

You have to match with your fist pick after the bid but as someone said, you get change in the form of later picks

 

[King Corey]

The Brisbane board educated me on this last year. Apparently things changed after the year we traded Bastinac when teams accumulated shits picks to match points for academy bidding.

You can't have more picks in the draft than you do list spots.

You have to match with your fist pick after the bid but as someone said, you get change in the form of later picks

That was my understanding too but tiltraise has identified an interesting one. I thought the revised rule was you had to hold a pick later in the same round as a bid to match it.

But looking at the 2016 draft, Sydney bid on Cumming with a 1st rounder (#19), GWS next pick was #37 in the 2nd round yet they've been able to match. Confused.

 

[tiltraise]

You have to match with your fist pick after the bid

Yes picks are voided in order til the required number of points is met with any leftover points being used to generate a new pick at the appropriate points level position.

 

[tiltraise]

That was my understanding too but tiltraise has identified an interesting one. I thought the revised rule was you had to hold a pick later in the same round as a bid to match it.

But looking at the 2016 draft, Sydney bid on Cumming with a 1st rounder (#19), GWS next pick was #37 in the 2nd round yet they've been able to match. Confused.

In 2016 Perryman was bid on at pick 14.

GWS matched it with 38,44 & 51.

Thus when the Cumming bid came 52 was their next pick.

GWS positioned their picks well during trade period which allowed these matches however they also went into the draft with the list space required to use all these picks.

 

[Egga]

In 2016 Perryman was bid on at pick 14.

GWS matched it with 38,44 & 51.

Thus when the Cumming bid came 52 was their next pick.

GWS positioned their picks well during trade period which allowed these matches however they also went into the draft with the list space required to use all these picks.

Interesting. So, if they went into the draft with 4+ list vacancies and used 4 picks on 2 players, what happened to the other 2 vacancies? Did they fill them from the rookie draft or have a reduced list size?

 

[RobZombie]

Interesting. So, if they went into the draft with 4+ list vacancies and used 4 picks on 2 players, what happened to the other 2 vacancies? Did they fill them from the rookie draft or have a reduced list size?

Delisted free agency is still open after the draft. But in reality you always have enough picks to fill the list. You can use 103,104 and 105 if all the other clubs have passed.

AFAIK the “same round” thing isn’t about matching bids, but going into deficit. If we have to match bids on Blakey, Thomas and Scott all in the first round and run out of points, the deficit is subtracted from next year’s 1st round. If the Scott bid is in the 2nd, then subtract from next year’s 2nd and so on.

 

[tiltraise]

Interesting. So, if they went into the draft with 4+ list vacancies and used 4 picks on 2 players, what happened to the other 2 vacancies? Did they fill them from the rookie draft or have a reduced list size?

When multiple picks are used to match bids new picks are generated to compensate for lost selections at the back of the draft.

Lets use the Perryman example.

Bid was made at #14 requiring 1161 points minus 20% discount for GWS to match (1161 -232 = 929 points to match).

Picks 38,44,51 are voided for a total of 1086 points.

929 points are taken from 1086 and the bid is matched leaving 157 points remaining.

A new pick is generated at #60 to account for the remaining points.

A new pick is generated behind the current last pick in the draft.

So GWS spend 3 picks get 1 player and receive 2 picks back thus their list number in relation to their picks stays the same. Whether they choose to use the last pick or take an extra rookie is up to them.

 

[Snake_Baker]

When multiple picks are used to match bids new picks are generated to compensate for lost selections at the back of the draft.

Lets use the Perryman example.

Bid was made at #14 requiring 1161 points minus 20% discount for GWS to match (1161 -232 = 929 points to match).

Picks 38,44,51 are voided for a total of 1086 points.

929 points are taken from 1086 and the bid is matched leaving 157 points remaining.

A new pick is generated at #60 to account for the remaining points.

A new pick is generated behind the current last pick in the draft.

So GWS spend 3 picks get 1 player and receive 2 picks back thus their list number in relation to their picks stays the same. Whether they choose to use the last pick or take an extra rookie is up to them.

If Grundogs ratings are anything to go by then we are looking at bids 7, 14 and 35 (?) for Thomas, Scott and Crocker = 3327 points - 20% = 2662 points.

If we finish 16th this season and StKilda finish 10th, we are looking at picks 3, 21, 39, 45 (StKilda 3rd round) and 57 = 4087 in value.

If we utilise pick 3 for say, Walsh, we blow 2234, leaving 1853.

1853 + 20% = 2224 for Thomas, Scott and Crocker.

We are still 438 points shy.

 

[Shermanator]

Yeh/nah.

I'll take a strategic year to achieve a premiership/dynasty over watching a talented veteran turn it on for a year.

Even better

 

[tiltraise]

If Grundogs ratings are anything to go by then we are looking at bids 7, 14 and 35 (?) for Thomas, Scott and Crocker = 3327 points - 20% = 2662 points.

If we finish 16th this season and StKilda finish 10th, we are looking at picks 3, 21, 39, 45 (StKilda 3rd round) and 57 = 4087 in value.

If we utilise pick 3 for say, Walsh, we blow 2234, leaving 1853.

1853 + 20% = 2224 for Thomas, Scott and Crocker.

We are still 438 points shy.

Might have factored in the 20% twice.

Regardless we have a trade period to try and position our picks correctly.

EG #21 seems a bad spot in the above example we may be able to downgrade it to 2 picks in the 30s to increase our points tally.

 

[GarnerSmash]

If Grundogs ratings are anything to go by then we are looking at bids 7, 14 and 35 (?) for Thomas, Scott and Crocker = 3327 points - 20% = 2662 points.

If we finish 16th this season and StKilda finish 10th, we are looking at picks 3, 21, 39, 45 (StKilda 3rd round) and 57 = 4087 in value.

If we utilise pick 3 for say, Walsh, we blow 2234, leaving 1853.

1853 + 20% = 2224 for Thomas, Scott and Crocker.

We are still 438 points shy.

We can also dip into 2019 i think.

 

[the big lebowski]

Also I just can't see bids coming as early as Grundogs ratings

 

[Val Keating]

We can also dip into 2019 i think.

Yeah clubs are allowed to go into deficit to accommodate points.