Rumour Future of the club (Bevo, board, assistant coaches, football department)

[Glaeken Oracle]

Oh come on now leave him alone

Touche. It was not deliberate. May have been subconscious, but while my own girth is less (and could be less again), I had no intention to shame anyone.

 

[Freshwater]

Definitely want someone from outside our club and well away from the Bevo-Grant-Darcy love triangle. So that rules out Leon Cameron

Leon Cameron

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and Bob Murphy.
Bob Murphy getting torched on the Fremantle board, many blaming him over their poor retention record.
But because Matty Boyd was not in their orbit he could potentially be alright. Hope it’s Nigel Lappin though, he would be a very good get.

 

[willofwest]

Definitely want someone from outside our club and well away from the Bevo-Grant-Darcy love triangle. So that rules out Leon Cameron and Bob Murphy.
Bob Murphy getting torched on the Fremantle board, many blaming him over their poor retention record.
But because Matty Boyd was not in their orbit he could potentially be alright. Hope it’s Nigel Lappin though, he would be a very good get.

I would love Nigel Lappin at the club.

 

[adogsfan5]

What’s Joel Selwood up to?

 

[BIG_BONTS]

What’s Joel Selwood up to?

Wanted too much money. Stingy dogs admin didn’t want to pay a rumoured $270k

 

[willofwest]

Wanted too much money. Stingy dogs admin didn’t want to pay a rumoured $270k

JMO, but I think He would be worth it.

 

[Freshwater]

Wanted too much money. Stingy dogs admin didn’t want to pay a rumoured $270k

surely not true? If our ‘stinginess’ is causing us to not get the best assistants available, when we are all on the same soft cap, this would be an insult to Bont and his men. Or a serious accounting mistake by the CEO?

 

[Dog 36]

surely not true? If our ‘stinginess’ is causing us to not get the best assistants available, when we are all on the same soft cap, this would be an insult to Bont and his men. Or a serious accounting mistake by the CEO?

One of the great mysteries how our soft cap is been spent.
The soft cap at the kennel and the so called review are the black hole.

Looking at our assistants as compared to other clubs with soft cap in place is troubling

 

[Golden_6]

One of the great mysteries how our soft cap is been spent.
The soft cap at the kennel and the so called review are the black hole.

Looking at our assistants as compared to other clubs with soft cap in place is troubling

Bevo was apparently on huge money so you’d want to hope he’s taken a significant decrease in this upcoming contract given the amount of times he whinges about the soft cap.

The way he talks it’s as if we’re on a different cap to the rest of the league.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Bevo was apparently on huge money so you’d want to hope he’s taken a significant decrease in this upcoming contract given the amount of times he whinges about the soft cap.

The way he talks it’s as if we’re on a different cap to the rest of the league.

Again, it's not about him 'taking a decrease' it's about a strong admin saying 'this is what you're getting'. Who is actually running the joint? We don't just employ a senior coach.

 

[Freshwater]

A quick search shows how much more quality and experience Geelong has on their coaching panel. Add to this Steve Hocking as CEO and Simon Loyd as football manager and you have confidence that this type of off field team will get the most out of their playing group. And apparently they spend the same money as us?
They also have Andrew Mackie

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learning from the best in Stephen Wells in recruiting.
I was hoping we were leaving old Footscray thinking behind after 2016? If true, to not get Joel Selwood because he wanted 270k seems penny pinching. Joel Selwood and Nigel Lappin and blokes of this quality are worth way more than they cost. Not only are they very good football people, they are also ‘winners’ (like Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

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told the Collingwood interview panel he was). Unlike Nathan Buckley who although brilliant, was never really a ‘winner’ on and off the ground. We need ‘winners’ into this club and coaching panel.

 

[Dazb86]

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A quick search shows how much more quality and experience Geelong has on their coaching panel. Add to this Steve Hocking as CEO and Simon Loyd as football manager and you have confidence that this type of off field team will get the most out of their playing group. And apparently they spend the same money as us?
They also have Andrew Mackie learning from the best in Stephen Wells in recruiting.
I was hoping we were leaving old Footscray thinking behind after 2016? If true, to not get Joel Selwood because he wanted 270k seems penny pinching. Joel Selwood and Nigel Lappin and blokes of this quality are worth way more than they cost. Not only are they very good football people, they are also ‘winners’ (like Craig McRae told the Collingwood interview panel he was). Unlike Nathan Buckley who although brilliant, was never really a ‘winner’ on and off the ground. We need ‘winners’ into this club and coaching panel.

I get the feeling Bevo got a massive contract after the grand final

 

[hujsh]

surely not true? If our ‘stinginess’ is causing us to not get the best assistants available, when we are all on the same soft cap, this would be an insult to Bont and his men. Or a serious accounting mistake by the CEO?

I don't know what a typical salary is for coaches but Selwood isn't coaching and wouldn't be an 'assistant' so to me 270k for a development coach (usually where players start and learn the craft as I understand it) feels pretty high.

 

[Freshwater]

I get the feeling Bevo got a massive contract after the grand final

He may have? But surely last year when he was given 2 extra years that he didn’t want, or need, that it was at a normal industry level? This extension was made after his whinging about the soft cap restrictions, so everything was understood as far as AFL rules were concerned. Why then do we have the most inexperienced coaching panel, and by a long way too. North Melbourne have a much better coaching team, they have had an horrendous few seasons, and choosing the wrong coaches, but have manipulated things with so many picks they will be ready to re-load. They at least have the coaching panel to make the most of their opportunity.

 

[Freshwater]

I don't know what a typical salary is for coaches but Selwood isn't coaching and wouldn't be an 'assistant' so to me 270k for a development coach (usually where players start and learn the craft as I understand it) feels pretty high.

Oh well, just get Webb and Spanger etc and those types instead of Selwood. The cost of not getting the right coaches is much higher than the monetary outlay.

 

[hujsh]

Oh well, just get Webb and Spanger etc and those types instead of Selwood. The cost of not getting the right coaches is much higher than the monetary outlay.

You have missed the point entirely and it seems like you're seduced more by the name/reputation than anything else that might actually be relevant to finding a competent line coach.

If want Selwood in as an assistant (eg a line coach) you're repeating the same mistake the club made getting Spangher (though at least Selwood would have more recent AFL exerience but the core problem would be the same)

 

[doggy_dog]

I get the feeling Bevo got a massive contract after the grand final

He probably got a nice bump and I don’t doubt he’s been on decent money but I just don’t buy that it was such a crippling amount we couldn’t fill out other positions. Longmire is on a boatload just as one example and Sydney do fine

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

You have missed the point entirely and it seems like you're seduced more by the name/reputation than anything else that might actually be relevant to finding a competent line coach.

If want Selwood in as an assistant (eg a line coach) you're repeating the same mistake the club made getting Spangher (though at least Selwood would have more recent AFL exerience but the core problem would be the same)

I genuinely think some of the Spangher derision is because he wasn't a fantastic footballer - which would count out quite a few good coaches.

Don't get me wrong, I understand and agree with the need for more experience in the coaching ranks. But the way Spangher is treated and spoken about on here goes way beyond that.

 

[Sentinel]

I genuinely think some of the Spangher derision is because he wasn't a fantastic footballer - which would count out quite a few good coaches.

Don't get me wrong, I understand and agree with the need for more experience in the coaching ranks. But the way Spangher is treated and spoken about on here goes way beyond that.

I think the derision comes from a combination of him being a mediocre player and also that he was working in administrative roles prior to being signed as a coach. I say that without any comment as to whether I think he's good, bad or somewhere in between because I genuinely have no clue.

 

[Unorth]

Spangher was a last minute, left field, no experience addition with obvious ties to Bevo. How good he was as a footballer is irrelevant.

Our talented forward line has been incohesive since he took over. Amongst a myriad of issues among all parts of the ground involving all coaches.

We don’t actually know the qualities these coaches have (Like Gia being a whipping boy here but highly rated in the industry itself) but we do know all of the above, and all that ultimately matters is production and results. So I don’t think it’s any surprise that we take aim at his hire. It’s nice that the players like him.

But we thought we were in a premiership window and we have been rolling out coaching lineups that clearly don’t stack up.

 

[Dazb86]

Spangher was a last minute, left field, no experience addition with obvious ties to Bevo. How good he was as a footballer is irrelevant.

Our talented forward line has been incohesive since he took over. Amongst a myriad of issues among all parts of the ground involving all coaches.

We don’t actually know the qualities these coaches have (Like Gia being a whipping boy here but highly rated in the industry itself) but we do know all of the above, and all that ultimately matters is production and results. So I don’t think it’s any surprise that we take aim at his hire. It’s nice that the players like him.

But we thought we were in a premiership window and we have been rolling out coaching lineups that clearly don’t stack up.

Early in the year the forward line wasnt functioning. It went well for the most part except for converting simple opportunities.

We have 2 spearheads that miss extremely easy shots on goal. It wouldn't surprise me if were somewhere near the top for marks inside 50 in the AFL.

 

[stefoid]

Our scoring issues extend beyond the domain of the forward line coach, but the forward line coach should be pushing back.

We have no visibility into what actually happened, we can only see the overall result and guess what may have lead to it.

Plus spangher sounds a bit like spanker or wanger, so...

 

[Dogs Rule]

The thing with Spangher (and there are exceptions) is that he didn't play forward, barely kicked any goals but gets thrown into coaching forwards. Bizarre thinking. That's my only issue, he might be great in other roles.

 

[hujsh]

I genuinely think some of the Spangher derision is because he wasn't a fantastic footballer - which would count out quite a few good coaches.

Don't get me wrong, I understand and agree with the need for more experience in the coaching ranks. But the way Spangher is treated and spoken about on here goes way beyond that.

Personally I could see Spangher as having been a great pickup as a development coach. Maybe Bevo's personal experience meant he didn't think it was a big deal he had spent a few years outside the football world and wasn't actually coaching but the immediate promotion to a line coach always seemed a bit odd.

I can see him being a valuable asset in a few years time but outside looking in it seems an odd decision maybe due to a lack of any other options.

 

[hujsh]

Spangher was a last minute, left field, no experience addition with obvious ties to Bevo. How good he was as a footballer is irrelevant.

Our talented forward line has been incohesive since he took over. Amongst a myriad of issues among all parts of the ground involving all coaches.

We don’t actually know the qualities these coaches have (Like Gia being a whipping boy here but highly rated in the industry itself) but we do know all of the above, and all that ultimately matters is production and results. So I don’t think it’s any surprise that we take aim at his hire. It’s nice that the players like him.

But we thought we were in a premiership window and we have been rolling out coaching lineups that clearly don’t stack up.

When has our forward line been cohesive? 2015?