News Gabba Upgrade & Olympics News

[Walshawk]

A few posters started a countdown shortly after the election.
On timeframes the review started today according to Crisafulli and that is about as quick as it could be achieved.

Both sides of parliament were sworn in on Wednesday, that was basically it for the day.
First actual workday was yesterday, and the Games bill passed. No senate to stop the process.
Today the new Authority panel was announced.
However, finding the right people would have been in the process from just after the election.
The Premier would have had to get their acceptance all lined up in that time.
It would not surprise me if others were approached but declined due to commitments.

Starting from today the draft report has to be in government hands by the 23/02/2025
The 100 days ends on Sunday 9/03/2025
That is only 68 working days excluding weekends and public holidays to the 9/03/2025. Just 58 days till that draft is due.
They have a lot of work to do in that timeframe

Lions play the OR on March 6th, 2025.

It is a shame that the AFL did not schedule more big games early in the season so that the new stadium could be announced in the midst of multiple Gabba sellouts. After Opening round, it is WC in Rnd 2 then four weeks until the Pies game (bye, away, Gather).

 

[Bjo187]

Was having a back and forth with a bloke online that reckons the liberals have already decided they're going to build the stadium across the road from the gabba, on top of the cross river rail.

Looking at it on Google maps the footprint is slightly smaller than the gabba so they'd need to move a few things around. Sounds like b.s but an interesting suggestion.

 

[Section 5]

Brisbane Live was needed before the Olympics was announced, and not as a sporting venue. Delaying it until after the olympics doesn't make sense when there is dedicated funding.

I agree Brisbane needs a new Entertainment Centre closer to the CBD. However, Brisbane still has one operating for now.
But why was Brisbane Arena tied to the Olympics in the first place.
The main reason was the venue was to be owned and operated privately.
Somewhere along the way that changed, and we ended up with a state/commonwealth agreement including BA.
The only reason it got dedicated funding from the Commonwealth was because PM Morrison did not want to be tied to The Gabba and possible big blowouts due to its location
I wonder how he felt when the validation report for the original proposed site Brisbane Arena came in at $4 billion.

Originally the State proposed Brisbane Arena (private owner and operator see image below) and Albion as the 2 big venue options.
For now, Albion has been dropped so too should Brisbane Arena unless they go back to the original idea.
Albion was the only new big venue proposed to be built by the state and that was for a new oval stadium 50K capacity.

Politicians (at the time Palecek) like to announce something that sounds great and different.
Throw in a render image over Roma Street rail station and sit back and take the credit and positive media coverage.
What better than to announce a drop in pool concept as Australia is so into swimming but really only around big events like the Olympics, World Championships and Commonwealth Games.
I wonder what the extra costs was to include the 3 drop in pools was to the project. Maybe that stopped the private owned/run proposal due to costings.
Also, Swimming Australia is so against this venue hosting swimming.
The thing is, as i mentioned above it was to be privately owned and run on public land. No real costs to the taxpayer.

Renegotiate this venue after they settle on the major Olympic venues.
Where to put it is the problem and that is why i and others have suggested the Wooloongabba area after the Olympics.
Before the Olympics it could even go on the open area Riverstage site, present capacity 9,500. Site already has approval for concerts. Would have to consider flood issues but that should not be a huge problem. Close to buses and the new Albert Street rail station.
Or part of the VP options but i don't see 2 big venues getting approval at VP. I think one venue would be pushing it.

The Gold coast have proposed a 12k capacity Entertainment Centre being 3k less capacity than Brisbane Arena for a reported $480 million

Below image taken from the IOCs reply to the original proposed venues dated February 2021
The IOC alternative for this was the Gold Coast pool used for the Commonwealth games.

 

[Elixuh]

Just build a 55k seat stadium with a roof

 

[Section 5]

Was having a back and forth with a bloke online that reckons the liberals have already decided they're going to build the stadium across the road from the gabba, on top of the cross river rail.

Looking at it on Google maps the footprint is slightly smaller than the gabba so they'd need to move a few things around. Sounds like b.s but an interesting suggestion.

In my opinion you are correct. Not enough room for a stadium.
However, there should be enough room for an Entertainment Centre assuming it is feasible over the new underground rail station and tunnel.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Just build a 55k seat stadium with a roof

70k. 55k will end up being 45k.

 

[briztoon]

Was having a back and forth with a bloke online that reckons the liberals have already decided they're going to build the stadium across the road from the gabba, on top of the cross river rail.

Looking at it on Google maps the footprint is slightly smaller than the gabba so they'd need to move a few things around. Sounds like b.s but an interesting suggestion.

Could the seating part of the stadium be built over the main roads, effectively turning the roads in to tunnels?

 

[Elixuh]

Could the seating part of the stadium be built over the main roads, effectively turning the roads in to tunnels?

Where are the effective walk ways around the stadium? Will it be like the current Gabba where there are huge choke points.

You either need to actually create road tunnels so that everything around is pedestrian walkway or build it where there is more room. Imo.

 

[Pride of lions]

If they want a stadium built and operating by around the end of 2030, the only logical location is on a green field site where there is limited demolition and underground services work required. To design, tender and build a new stadium at the Gabba or over a railway station would take massive amounts of infrastructure demolition and services relocation,as well as limited working hours for construction etc. And the costs and timing of building in the city itself could be guaranteed to blow out like all other big infrastructure projects. Victoria Park is the only location that makes any sense, especially as the last three years have basically been wasted.

 

[Grasshopper17]

If they want a stadium built and operating by around the end of 2030, the only logical location is on a green field site where there is limited demolition and underground services work required. To design, tender and build a new stadium at the Gabba or over a railway station would take massive amounts of infrastructure demolition and services relocation,as well as limited working hours for construction etc. And the costs and timing of building in the city itself could be guaranteed to blow out like all other big infrastructure projects. Victoria Park is the only location that makes any sense, especially as the last three years have basically been wasted.

Can we please get you on to this 100 day committee.

 

[peetoo]

Was having a back and forth with a bloke online that reckons the liberals have already decided they're going to build the stadium across the road from the gabba, on top of the cross river rail.

Looking at it on Google maps the footprint is slightly smaller than the gabba so they'd need to move a few things around. Sounds like b.s but an interesting suggestion.

Sounds very expensive. Like fed square in Melbourne.

 

[peetoo]

Can we please get you on to this 100 day committee.

So what does he do for the other 99 days?

 

[Grasshopper17]

So what does he do for the other 99 days?

Shout down anyone who disagrees.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I honestly think that most people want a new stadium especially for an Olympics Games. The fear he would have had was for the Campaign that Labour would have run against him, had he said that he will build a new Stadium.

Yes, that's why I say he's too skittish. He actually had little to fear because he was always going to win the election regardless of what he said about a new stadium, and the electorates that might have revolted over the idea (McConnel, South Brisbane) were never going to vote for his party anyway. But he tried to play it safe by promising no new stadium, now here we are where picking the superior option would make him a liar.

As they will if that is the outcome of the review. But atleast he is now in power.

And the fact there's no election for four years should encourage him to be bold now and step back from his no new stadiums mantra. But he isn't if he's continuing to rule out Victoria Park.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I agree Brisbane needs a new Entertainment Centre closer to the CBD. However, Brisbane still has one operating for now.
But why was Brisbane Arena tied to the Olympics in the first place.

Sorry to cut off the rest of your post, but Brisbane Live was tied to Cross River Rail long before the Olympics were more than a drunken thought bubble at an ALP drinkies.

Sport aside, Brisbane Live was seen as fitting the same niche that Festval Hall did. A central arts venue capable of holding 10K punters.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Sorry to cut off the rest of your post, but Brisbane Live was tied to Cross River Rail long before the Olympics were more than a drunken thought bubble at an ALP drinkies.

The Olympic bid was started by the SEQ Council of Mayors in 2015, in an effort to get more federal funding for infrastructure. None of those mayors were elected for the Labor Party. Indeed, at the time, Graham Quirk was the LNP mayor of Brisbane, and LNP life member Tom Tate was (and still is) the mayor of the Gold Coast.

Council of Mayors (SEQ) | South East Queensland

We are Australia’s largest regional local government advocacy organisation, representing the one in seven Australians who call SEQ home.

seqmayors.qld.gov.au

 

[The Flying Belgian]

The Olympic bid was started by the SEQ Council of Mayors in 2015, in an effort to get more federal funding for infrastructure. None of those mayors were elected for the Labor Party. Indeed, at the time, Graham Quirk was the LNP mayor of Brisbane, and LNP life member Tom Tate was (and still is) the mayor of the Gold Coast.

Council of Mayors (SEQ) | South East Queensland

We are Australia’s largest regional local government advocacy organisation, representing the one in seven Australians who call SEQ home.

seqmayors.qld.gov.au

I stand corrected. Was misremembereing Palaschuk as being the driver.

Still doesn't change my point about Brisbane Live.

 

[Section 5]

Sorry to cut off the rest of your post, but Brisbane Live was tied to Cross River Rail long before the Olympics were more than a drunken thought bubble at an ALP drinkies.

Sport aside, Brisbane Live was seen as fitting the same niche that Festval Hall did. A central arts venue capable of holding 10K punters.

My main point was it was to be private funded and then things changed.

Tying BA/L to cross river rail is just a thought bubble too until it becomes viable.
I am sure there are a lot of high-rises planned close to CRR stations. But that does not mean they will be built.
Just because it was a plan does not mean it will happen.

As you pointed out it was originally to be built without Olympic funding and that is still what should happen.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

My main point was it was to be private funded and then things changed.

Tying BA/L to cross river rail is just a thought bubble too until it becomes viable.
I am sure there are a lot of high-rises planned close to CRR stations. But that does not mean they will be built.
Just because it was a plan does not mean it will happen.

As you pointed out it was originally to be built without Olympic funding and that is still what should happen.

As far as I'm aware the Federal Government has agreed to entirely pay for it. My original response was to the though of it to be shelved until after the Olympics. The funding to my knowledge isn't tied to IOC money. As long as the funding stream is there, I'm of the opinion that should be taken advantage of while it's there. In 8 years time, who knows....

 

[Section 5]

As far as I'm aware the Federal Government has agreed to entirely pay for it. My original response was to the though of it to be shelved until after the Olympics. The funding to my knowledge isn't tied to IOC money. As long as the funding stream is there, I'm of the opinion that should be taken advantage of while it's there. In 8 years time, who knows....

The agreement has a maximum commonwealth funding of $2.5 billion.
So, if the original site went ahead at $4 billion (Quirk) the State would have to find an extra $1.5 billion.
I am happy for it to be built just not at the expense of getting a new stadium.
One or the other with the funds available.

That could all change if the new Authority gets private funding involved for venues.

 

[Elixuh]

The agreement has a maximum commonwealth funding of $2.5 billion.
So, if the original site went ahead at $4 billion (Quirk) the State would have to find an extra $1.5 billion.
I am happy for it to be built just not at the expense of getting a new stadium.
One or the other with the funds available.

That could all change if the new Authority gets private funding involved for venues.

Sorry if I’m missing the point but don’t we also get billions from the IOC?

 

[Dalions]

Sorry if I’m missing the point but don’t we also get billions from the IOC?

I would assume that the bulk of that money will go towards the running of the games?

 

[Elixuh]

I would assume that the bulk of that money will go towards the running of the games?

I thought it was earmarked for infrastructure, eg stadium builds

 

[briztoon]

Sorry if I’m missing the point but don’t we also get billions from the IOC?

$2.5b

 

[Pride of lions]

Can we please get you on to this 100 day committee.

I just hope they get some proper input from the engineering and heavy construction sectors when they are doing the review.They are the critical components for the cost and timing of the whole project. Early input of technical expertise and practical experience are often overlooked by ‘property experts’ when looking at projects such as this, which is why they generally blow out in costs and completion time.