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[M Malice]

It has to be either a rebuilt Gabba or a new stadium elsewhere, hopefully Victoria Park, a stadium still leaves a significant amount of green/public space.

I drove past Vic Park an hour ago, so much bloody room there, if they do the surrounds right it will be spectacular precinct.

 

[Section 5]

The Sports Venue Review, led by Quirk, only looked at the Stadium, Brisbane Arena, & minor sports venues.
Former Brisbane Lord Mayor Graham Quirk to lead 2032 Games venue review
The 100 day review is looking at everything. It is also noteworthy because the Board will be the main planners of Olympic infrastructure & related stuff.
A Fresh Start for Queensland: 2032 Games out of the blocks and finally on the track after three years of false starts

In the Quirk review terms of reference, they were not allowed to look at quite a few things including Athletes villages
As you pointed out the new Authority has a lot more scope in the 100-day review.
It could actually be too much really. They will have to split the workload a fair bit to achieve everything.

The two main inclusions (or not specifically excluded) this time can now be considered.

(1) Proposed sports not officially approved were not to be included in Quirks review with regard to stadium use.
Without allowing for this, the knock-on effect for stadiums is huge.
T20 cricket is not officially approved, will be big and needs two stadiums. That being The Gabba and Carrara in my opinion.

(2) They were not to look at any private or private/government funding arrangements which is now allowed.

 

[Billy ray]

is it a no new (net) stadiums?

we get vic park, but we (ultimately) demolish gabba (post olympics)

 

[Elixuh]

The best outcome is if they’re slowly softening the narrative. Hard to know.

The issue is I don’t think the review is going to say Victoria Park and then daylight. Much more likely to present whatever options are viable within a number of reasonable parameters and then the government will exercise discretion. So keep expectations low.

 

[buttermuffs]

Going down to the MCG the last two years has really hammered home that there’s so much potential for a new a better Gabba or other stadium there is.

I love the Gabba so much despite its age, but there’s so much potential to elevate it to greater heights with a full rebuild or new stadium elsewhere.

 

[mighty_lions]

https://www.smh.com.au/interactive/hub/media/tearout-excerpt/37546/Arcadis-Victoria-Park-Strategic-Plan_Final_reduced.pdf

 

[mighty_lions]

Victoria Park precinct plan to be presented to Olympic venue review

With 95 days left of the independent 100-day Olympic venue review, a new discussion paper on a Victoria Park sports precinct is about to land in their inbox.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[Grasshopper17]

https://www.smh.com.au/interactive/hub/media/tearout-excerpt/37546/Arcadis-Victoria-Park-Strategic-Plan_Final_reduced.pdf

I'm sold. Where do I sign? When do we start??

And I just learnt a new word.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

I only looked at the pictures but I'm also sold on it.

 

[Black Panther]

You can hear the heads exploding from the Victoria Park NIMBYs from miles away

 

[BRAB]

I think as a Lions community we need to weaponise the East Brisbane State School NIMBYs. Get them really fired up.

 

[Elixuh]

I think as a Lions community we need to weaponise the East Brisbane State School NIMBYs. Get them really fired up.

By weaponise, are you saying give the East Brisbane State School nuclear capabilities to build deterrence?

 

[Jivlain]

By weaponise, are you saying give the East Brisbane State School nuclear capabilities to build deterrence?

An armed society is a polite society, as they say

 

[The Flying Belgian]

You can hear the heads exploding from the Victoria Park NIMBYs from miles away

That's because they like having what amounts to a private park that virtually the rest of Brisbane doesn't use.

 

[Elixuh]

Victoria Park precinct plan to be presented to Olympic venue review

With 95 days left of the independent 100-day Olympic venue review, a new discussion paper on a Victoria Park sports precinct is about to land in their inbox.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

My concern with this is that it looks like too much. Too radical. They're struggling to sell the narrative of replacing the Gabba and this presents it as 3 new stadiums.

 

[Section 5]

https://www.smh.com.au/interactive/hub/media/tearout-excerpt/37546/Arcadis-Victoria-Park-Strategic-Plan_Final_reduced.pdf

Thanks for that it looks like an updated version with some breakdown costings (image below).
Like all costings in the early stages, we have no idea how accurate it will be.
I noticed they allowed just 4 months for a validation report
The Government is still waiting for one on The Gabba rebuild that was requested about 12 months ago now.
Also, the validation report for the new Roma Street Parkland site was marked as urgent in March and still not back yet.

It all looks great and obviously saves costs being in a greenfield site and planning for 3 projects in the same precinct will also reduce costs.
I like the positioning of the Brisbane Stadium. If that is the only building approved, we should all be happy.
I noticed in their plans they have kept Gundoo Memorial Grove (heritage trees) mostly intact
I assume they have also looked at the other cultural and heritage sections of the park https://apps.des.qld.gov.au/heritage-register/detail/?id=602493

One thing it has shown is the cost of building the Brisbane Arena being $880 million, my pet hate as you all know.
That at least gives us a better idea of costings on a different site
It was to be $4 billion (validation report Quirk report) on the original site.
According to the Quirk review his proposed new site for this project is expected to come in at a convenient $2.5 billion.
Thats just his best assessment and also just happens to be the Commonwealth contribution to the venue.
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[joshhem]

I feel like such a report can only be written with a clear intention to do it. I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone is going to such an extent without officially contracting it.
On the last page where it lists their major projects, they list Brisbane 2032.

I feel like the whole thing is a charade and this is what the government is actually planning and they are playing a political game to protect themselves from the anti-stadium movements that can influence public opinion when it comes to votes.

Also, looking at that timeline, what other option is possible? A 36 month build seems lean to me. A decision is needed immediately after the 100 days.

I’m certain that this is not even in question anymore

 

[M Malice]

I feel like such a report can only be written with a clear intention to do it. I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone is going to such an extent without officially contracting it.
On the last page where it lists their major projects, they list Brisbane 2032.

I feel like the whole thing is a charade and this is what the government is actually planning and they are playing a political game to protect themselves from the anti-stadium movements that can influence public opinion when it comes to votes.

Also, looking at that timeline, what other option is possible? A 36 month build seems lean to me. A decision is needed immediately after the 100 days.

I’m certain that this is not even in question anymore

I hope you are right josh.

 

[Black Panther]

What are they going to do with an 18,000 swimming venue after the games, where the usual local meet would get no more than a crowd of 800?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

My concern with this is that it looks like too much. Too radical. They're struggling to sell the narrative of replacing the Gabba and this presents it as 3 new stadiums.

Possibly, but if they can pitch the potential cost savings that comes about by having construction in one area, they might be able to do it. I'm skeptical of that though, given the last regime couldn't even communicate that the some of the money they were spending came from the IOC.

The LNP market themselves as the financial management party, yada yada. I'm interested to see how they spin this and how they manage costs.

 

[dlanod]

An armed society is a polite society, as they say

Concealed carry with nuclear weapons is a bitch...

 

[M Malice]

What are they going to do with an 18,000 swimming venue after the games, where the usual local meet would get no more than a crowd of 800?

That is a potential white elephant, would National Championships even get anywhere near filling that stadium.

 

[Elixuh]

What are they going to do with an 18,000 swimming venue after the games, where the usual local meet would get no more than a crowd of 800?

Probably have it so that it can be used for other sports like basketball etc when not needed for swimming

 

[Black Panther]

Probably have it so that it can be used for other sports like basketball etc when not needed for swimming

But they are also building a 12,000 seat arena next door

Judging by the photos it looks like a permanent venue and won't be downsized afterwards

 

[The Flying Belgian]

But they are also building a 12,000 seat arena next door

Judging by the photos it looks like a permanent venue and won't be downsized afterwards

Where did the 18K figure come from? Says 7K on the image above...