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[BrainOfMorbius]

Same as the Gabba? If you say so, but I think the Gabba's very different. The Gabba's in a central area of the city where buses will leave in many directions, and provides a multitude of other places for people to stay and kick in for a bit after the game so that supporters can delay their departure.

At QSAC the vast majority of buses leave in the direction of the city. Hardly anyone will want to stay, as there's nothing to do, and being less central means average travel times are higher and those supporters will want to leave ASAP. This will result in much higher demand for buses that are ready to go straight after the game. They take time to fill so every bus means a further delay.

I don't have any answers. QSAC is weird shaped and terrible for access, MVO is too small and terrible to access, Metricon is terrible to access, the RNA is too hard and expensive. Someone's going to be eating a poo sandwich at the end of this.

 

[briztoon]

Same as the Gabba? If you say so, but I think the Gabba's very different. The Gabba's in a central area of the city where buses will leave in many directions, and provides a multitude of other places for people to stay and kick in for a bit after the game so that supporters can delay their departure.

At QSAC the vast majority of buses leave in the direction of the city. Hardly anyone will want to stay, as there's nothing to do, and being less central means average travel times are higher and those supporters will want to leave ASAP. This will result in much higher demand for buses that are ready to go straight after the game. They take time to fill so every bus means a further delay.

I don't have any answers. QSAC is weird shaped and terrible for access, MVO is too small and terrible to access, Metricon is terrible to access, the RNA is too hard and expensive. Someone's going to be eating a poo sandwich at the end of this.

My guess for QSAC would be several of the car parks would be used for banking up buses.

 

[Viceregal]

Same as the Gabba? If you say so, but I think the Gabba's very different. The Gabba's in a central area of the city where buses will leave in many directions, and provides a multitude of other places for people to stay and kick in for a bit after the game so that supporters can delay their departure.

At QSAC the vast majority of buses leave in the direction of the city. Hardly anyone will want to stay, as there's nothing to do, and being less central means average travel times are higher and those supporters will want to leave ASAP. This will result in much higher demand for buses that are ready to go straight after the game. They take time to fill so every bus means a further delay.

I don't have any answers. QSAC is weird shaped and terrible for access, MVO is too small and terrible to access, Metricon is terrible to access, the RNA is too hard and expensive. Someone's going to be eating a poo sandwich at the end of this.

Shame they didn't run with that idea of building a stadium over the top of Roma St that was mooted at one point...

 

[Dalions]

My guess for QSAC would be several of the car parks would be used for banking up buses.

They also have the ring road around the stadium itself where they could line up also.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

QSAC would at minimum need bus lanes built from the busway to the stadium itself.

 

[Section 5]

"Site survey and preliminary planning has confirmed a temporary athletics warm-up track and facilities will fit in Raymond Park without resuming houses,” Miles said in a statement.

He said that while early planning had considered an eight-lane track, a four-lane track with a six-lane straight will meet requirements and “minimises impacts on residents and trees”

Miles confirmed on Monday any trees that can’t be saved will be replanted, while the football club will be temporarily relocated.

Brisbane houses spared as government revises plan for Olympic Games athletics track

Move comes as national standoff between Labor and Greens over housing increasingly intersects with planning for 2032 Games

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bucking Beads]

I have no doubt that renovating QSAC is the best option for the Lions.

 

[Dalions]

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Warning: rubbery figures

For interest's sake I thought it might be good to reduce the bus issue to a spreadsheet so we have some idea of how many bus loads we might be talking about for a Lions game at QSAC, and what the logistics are around waiting times after a game. Take it with a pinch of salt if you will.

I'll put my hand up and say that there are several assumptions made -- for example, I don't know what proportion of attendees would want to come by public transport, but 60% seemed a comfortable assumption for a venue that's so short of public parking space (and I note that other users have suggested that some of the on-site parking space could be reserved for waiting buses). Maybe it's more like 40%, but I don't know where the thousands of cars would park.

I researched BCC bus capacity and it seems to vary between 60 and 95, so being generous let's say they only use the biggest buses and they pack them in to average 100 people per bus load. And it's a middling AFL crowd for the Lions of 25k.

Attendance	25000
Public transport users	60%
Total PT users	15000
Bus capacity	100
Bus loads	150

So let's give this plenty of slack and say that we're mostly likely looking at a range of 125-175 bus loads. Sound reasonable?

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

The other assumption I'm making of course is that the overwhelming majority of PT users will be using buses. There will be some making the 3.1km walk from Banoon station but not in significant numbers I would expect, and fairly small numbers using taxi/rideshare.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If the parking spaces were eliminated on both sides of Gregory Terrace, I wonder if half the road could be resumed for more seating area.

So let's give this plenty of slack and say that we're mostly likely looking at a range of 125-175 bus loads. Sound reasonable?

When the misleadingly-named Brisbane Metro comes in at the end of next year, its vehicles will probably be used also. There are supposed to be 60 vehicles that carry 170 people in event mode. They're supposed to run on two different lines at up to every 3 minutes in weekday peak. If we assume that on a weekend, they run every 10 minutes in both directions, and it takes about an hour to do a round trip, that's 24 vehicles out on the roads every hour, leaving 36 free, although I don't know whether the vehicle requires drivers to have special training over and above that for the usual heavy vehicle licence.

 

[briztoon]

QSAC would at minimum need bus lanes built from the busway to the stadium itself.

Why? The Gabba doesn’t for many of the routes.

 

[Warwick]

Those QSAC renders - yuk.

Imagine being sat in those uncovered stadiums for a Saturday night game during the middle of winter. Or being in full sun. Or if it rains.

I vaguely remember going to a couple of league games there back in the day but can't say I recall what it was like sitting in the elements.

 

[M Malice]

Those QSAC renders - yuk.

Imagine being sat in those uncovered stadiums for a Saturday night game during the middle of winter. Or being in full sun. Or if it rains.

I vaguely remember going to a couple of league games there back in the day but can't say I recall what it was like sitting in the elements.

I was a season ticket holder of the Broncos when their home ground was QSAC, those tickets were in the Western grandstand which were very good seats... for the Grand Final in 1997 we sat in the southern outer on bench seats > shithouse.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Why? The Gabba doesn’t for many of the routes.

The Gabba has a busway station right opposite it with a spur line from the main busway. That's similar to what I'm suggesting here.

I also think it would be a lot less feasible to shut down Mains or Kessels Rd on gamedays for bus loading, given that they are freight corridors and pretty vital arteries for multiple suburbs.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Those QSAC renders - yuk.

Imagine being sat in those uncovered stadiums for a Saturday night game during the middle of winter. Or being in full sun. Or if it rains.

Going to need the Hubble to see down the other end.

 

[joshhem]

Same as the Gabba? If you say so, but I think the Gabba's very different. The Gabba's in a central area of the city where buses will leave in many directions, and provides a multitude of other places for people to stay and kick in for a bit after the game so that supporters can delay their departure.

At QSAC the vast majority of buses leave in the direction of the city. Hardly anyone will want to stay, as there's nothing to do, and being less central means average travel times are higher and those supporters will want to leave ASAP. This will result in much higher demand for buses that are ready to go straight after the game. They take time to fill so every bus means a further delay.

I don't have any answers. QSAC is weird shaped and terrible for access, MVO is too small and terrible to access, Metricon is terrible to access, the RNA is too hard and expensive. Someone's going to be eating a poo sandwich at the end of this.

The Gabba bus situation is not particularly well organised in my opinion.
Carindale is a nightmare leaving the games with traffic at a stand-still for 1+hours each game
The busway with the U-turn arrangement means bus gridlock at the station.

I find that most people don't find the busses suitable at the Gabba and just end up driving and parking. The advantage of the Gabba is that there is plenty of nearby parking.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I've certainly tried catching buses to the Gabba, getting a connection from Roma St station -- but it's stressful having the connecting bus drive straight past the bus stop and many fellow supporters because it's already full an hour before the match. When CRR allows me to get a connecting train to the the new subway station I will be doing that every time

 

[Section 5]

Most on BF have stated QSAC is a crap site regarding public transport especially with no train station within a reasonable walking distance.
I have not had the pleasure of attending Broncos games or concerts at the venue and going through that hassle.
I can't see the BCC using more buses than they do for the Gabba and Lang Park venues.
Most likely because they don't have that many spare buses or drivers to drive them.
Buses from the Gabba and Lang Park can drop people off in the city and come back for a another pick up until all the crowd has dispersed.
I know there are special buses to Chermside and most likely to other popular destinations. I doubt they have time for another pickup.

No reason that the BCC can't have a shuttle service to one of these train stations below. This way these busses can return for another pickup.
Just pick one train station that is suitable, assuming one is actually suitable.
Google maps time from QSAC so just approximate.
Altandi 8 minutes being the furthest from the city, Sunnybank 10 minutes, Banoon 12 minutes & Coopers plains 8 minutes being the closest to city.
This is the Beenleigh Ferny Grove line as well as the Gold Coast Airport line. Change at inner city stations for other lines.
Park & Ride car spaces Altandi 85, Sunnybank 220, Banoon 150, Coopers Plains 140

Then you have the South East Freeway Bus stations they could shuttle to and from.
Google maps time again.
Griffith University the closest to city. 5 minutes (no car spaces listed), Upper Mt Gravatt (shopping center) 7 minutes (105 car spaces), Eight Mile Plains 15 minutes the furthest from city (1195 car spaces)


NOTE: QSAC is listed as a Park and Ride for buses with 680 car spaces.

 

[Section 5]

The Gabba bus situation is not particularly well organised in my opinion.
Carindale is a nightmare leaving the games with traffic at a stand-still for 1+hours each game
The busway with the U-turn arrangement means bus gridlock at the station.

I find that most people don't find the busses suitable at the Gabba and just end up driving and parking. The advantage of the Gabba is that there is plenty of nearby parking.

This is true for me and i imagine many others as well.
Very easy to get to before the game but a nightmare after as the intersection is blocked off about 1 hour after the game.

This needs to change for the Olympics and that intersection will have to be kept free for traffic including buses.
Walkways are proposed to connect the new rail station by going over Mains Road.
Hopefully they intend building pedestrian bridge pathways over all the roads that connect to that intersection.
That will entail some lifts for people in wheelchairs.

Orange is proposed over Mains Road for pedestrian access to Rail Station

Purple is what is needed to keep the intersection free of pedestrians so bus and normal traffic can continue.

Either that or the busway will have to be underground or above ground.
You have a similar situation at other intersections. Stanley and Wellington & Wellington & Vulture streets

I hope all this is covered by whoever wins the tender.
The tender is supposed to be announced in the 2nd half of this year.

 

[briztoon]

Most on BF have stated QSAC is a crap site regarding public transport especially with no train station within a reasonable walking distance.
I have not had the pleasure of attending Broncos games or concerts at the venue and going through that hassle.
I can't see the BCC using more buses than they do for the Gabba and Lang Park venues.
Most likely because they don't have that many spare buses or drivers to drive them.
Buses from the Gabba and Lang Park can drop people off in the city and come back for a another pick up until all the crowd has dispersed.
I know there are special buses to Chermside and most likely to other popular destinations. I doubt they have time for another pickup.

No reason that the BCC can't have a shuttle service to one of these train stations below. This way these busses can return for another pickup.
Just pick one train station that is suitable, assuming one is actually suitable.
Google maps time from QSAC so just approximate.
Altandi 8 minutes being the furthest from the city, Sunnybank 10 minutes, Banoon 12 minutes & Coopers plains 8 minutes being the closest to city.
This is the Beenleigh Ferny Grove line as well as the Gold Coast Airport line. Change at inner city stations for other lines.
Park & Ride car spaces Altandi 85, Sunnybank 220, Banoon 150, Coopers Plains 140

Then you have the South East Freeway Bus stations they could shuttle to and from.
Google maps time again.
Griffith University the closest to city. 5 minutes (no car spaces listed), Upper Mt Gravatt (shopping center) 7 minutes (105 car spaces), Eight Mile Plains 15 minutes the furthest from city (1195 car spaces)


NOTE: QSAC is listed as a Park and Ride for buses with 680 car spaces.

Griffith Uni, Mount Gravatt Campus has over 1000 car spaces, the largest car park, down near the aquatic centre is between 400 and 500 spaces alone. The one next to the bus station has approximately 200. And I'm not even including the 200 odd car parks down near the old student accommodation. So 1200 car parks if some people don't mind a walk up the hill.

However the campus is being shut down. I don't remember the end date, but I'm sure it's before 2030.


Griffith Uni, Nathan Campus has well over 1000 car parks as well, considering the whole back half of the ring road has parking on both sides. There is considerable scope to extend the largest car park that is closest to the back of the cemetery and near the secondary athletics track. There is already a bush track from the car park to the secondary athletics track.

 

[briztoon]

The Gabba has a busway station right opposite it with a spur line from the main busway. That's similar to what I'm suggesting here.

I also think it would be a lot less feasible to shut down Mains or Kessels Rd on gamedays for bus loading, given that they are freight corridors and pretty vital arteries for multiple suburbs.

I live right near Carindale shops, and catch the bus on game days, I'm quite familiar with that experience.

There wouldn't be a need to shut down Mains Rd or Kessels Rd, just as the roads around the Gabba aren't shut down now. Busses coming from the northern suburbs, and either direction along the southern busway, would exit at Klump road, and drop passengers at one of three drop off points inside the car parks that surround QSAC, or on the ring road it's self.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

 

[Viceregal]

I saw 'raised pitch' and my obviously not fully firing yet brain had an image of two rectangles of Gabba turf sinking into the ground and moving to the sides while a 'permanent' pitch was raised into place for the cricket game...

 

[dlanod]

I saw 'raised pitch' and my obviously not fully firing yet brain had an image of two rectangles of Gabba turf sinking into the ground and moving to the sides while a 'permanent' pitch was raised into place for the cricket game...

My brain had an image of the pitch being perpetually somewhere between two inches and a foot above the surrounding grass, so my first thought was "that's one way to piss off both cricket and the AFL."