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[Grasshopper17]

The best part about the proposed Vic Park stadium placement is that it's safe from any potential asteroid impact. Scientists have already run many models and have confirmed it will be safe:

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My dear Nunez, that will be one mighty small asteroid!

 

[Nunez]

My dear Nunez, that will be one mighty small asteroid!

Are you saying my team of scientists are wrong?!

 

[Elixuh]

The best part about the proposed Vic Park stadium placement is that it's safe from any potential asteroid impact. Scientists have already run many models and have confirmed it will be safe:

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What the **** is this Nunez.


I love it.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Are you saying my team of scientists are wrong?!

Not at all! I trust their modelling implicitly. There must just be no asteroids bigger than a couple of metres heading our way during the lifetime of the stadium

 

[Nunez]

What the **** is this Nunez.


I love it.

It's part of my 10 page science backed document sent to the LNP entitled: Asteroids and football: analysis

 

[Section 5]

I just checked out the BB plans and I've moved the stadium a little north east of where they had it, but it's roughly the same locations.

And for anyone unfamiliar with the area, here's a nice little drone view from Google: https://maps.app.goo.gl/dZSwZHma7wWw1W3k9

I was going to comment on that
As long as the waterways are not affected
You could even go further northeast and reclaim a section of Gilchrist Avenue Road area and one of the flat fields.
As long as it is close to the rail line

But it looks like we are all trying to find a unicorn after Crisafulli recent comment on Vic Park.

 

[Perrip]

4BC Brisbane

 

[Johnny Bananas]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/brisbane-olympics-and-paralympics-2032/lord-mayor-adrian-schrinner-backflips-on-gabba-2032-games-stadium-plan/news-story/641c627a348d8ecfb5a7d60911b59599

Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner has backflipped on his staunch opposition to transforming the ageing Gabba into an Olympics stadium after months of attacking it as a bad idea.

Speaking at Council’s new Brisbane International Cycle Park in Murarrie on November 5, Mr Schrinner said all options needed to be looked at by the government’s 2032 Games 100-day review panel.

“From what I’ve seen in terms of proposals, there’s actually a number of different exciting proposals,’’ Mr Schrinner said.

“I also think that the Gabba has to be looked at again to see if there’s a better way to do that.

“If we have these decisions made by the independent experts and not have elected members jumpings to conclusions (while) more work is being done, I think we will get the best outcome.’’

The article goes on to state that Schrinner called the Gabba a bad idea as recently as last week. Maybe he's been told something by the state LNP.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

There is a restaurant precinct around the ekka grounds I believe.
Which is close to VIC Park.

There are actually two near VP: King St, the one you mentioned near the Ekka grounds, and the Kelvin Grove Urban Village, just next to the QUT campus to the west of the park. I reckon stadium should be as close as possible to one of those. In this thread we've already considered options in the east of the park near King St, but I wonder if there's a good site in the west near the QUT KG busway station.

Exactly. I think it's a case of build it and they will come in terms of that sort of thing.

I was playing around this morning and had a look at the Brisbane Bold location for a stadium which makes the most sense the further I look at it.

Like I've said previously, I've spent a bit of time on weekends in the park. The Purple hachured areas are the areas of the park I'd consider poorly utilised. That area on the south of the park next to Gregory Terrace (bottom of the image) is crying out for better usage - I can't recall seeing anyone ever using that area.

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Thanks. Would you say there's anywhwre in the west of the park near the QUT campus that might be suitable for a stadium?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Thanks. Would you say there's anywhwre in the west of the park near the QUT campus that might be suitable for a stadium?

Not really. It's a fair bit hillier and you have the busway coming through there. Unless you were to build it on top on the hill where the driving range and function centre are now, like in Quirk's review.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Same stadium footprint on the Gabba site. Important to note the outer ring is the back of the stands and it's centred on the current Gabba playing surface for comparison. But if they opted (hypothetically) to knock down the western stand to increase capacity to save money, it'll be different. No idea how they handle the issue of Vulture and Stanley Sts.

 

[Section 5]

4BC Brisbane

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Just another talking head that sees one interview and comes to that conclusion.
As i have been saying all along. The $2.5 billion Brisbane Arena in not needed for the Olympics
That's the figure he should have been using.
There is $0.935 billion funding for minor venues from both state and federal.
The minor venue agreement was resigned with much more detail as recently as 24/08/2024.
Together that's the total federal funding of $3.435billion

The Brisbane Arena should be looked at and it looks like it might be.
But who would know what Crisafulli has in mind.
He must have a preferred option, otherwise he should not be mentioning anything
We need to wait for the terms of reference.
Even then, i doubt that will turn out well for anyone wanting anything other than The Gabba

I think the Lions & cricket will have to find a new home for 5 years. So back to that problem.
Carrara is the 1st option the Government will propose. AFL & cricket will reject.
Then it will be the EKKA. Anything sound familiar.
But this time they will fund the EKKA as they will have plenty of $ spare but not enough seating capacity.
Boy oh boy oh boy as BT would say

The political mire is getting deeper by the day.
Oh well just 4 years to the next election. I wonder if a stadium of any nature will be under construction at that time.

 

[BigCat2]

What? I never knew he said they won't be doing Victoria park, news to me. It's concerning he's saying that post election. He's literally ruled out everything but the gabba, before the review has even happened, it's a strange strategy if he's even going to consider backflipping, why put yourself in that position when you don't have to?

The gabba is a really bad idea too, I don't get why government can't see Victoria park is such the obvious solution to all problems, it's staggering.

There is plenty of wiggle room.

In the lead up to the election, LNP position has always been "no new stadium" and "legacy infrastructure", to shield themselves from any attacks while cost of living & inflation have been front of mind.

He now says (no new stadium) "remains our position" - this is political speak for some wiggle room, as "position" naturally can change over time depending on circumstances.

Barely 2 weeks post election, he's hardly going to come out and say "never mind what we said before, new stadium all the way!" is he?

But now with this 100 day review, especially as it includes Brisbane Arena, and has avenue for public feedback, gives them a lot of wiggle room. We know the numbers stack up for Victoria Park. If you construct new stadium and new arena together, there is a lot of cost saving to be had, no need to disrupt local traffic due to green site build, no displacement of AFL/cricket compared to rebuilding Gabba. The numbers will always stack up better than if you tried any other combination of venues because of the above.

With 100 day "independent panel" review, if they also come to same conclusion as Graham Quirk review, it will be an easy pivot to say "we said no new stadium due to concern regarding cost, but it appears new stadium is the most effective option AND provides legacy"...much easier sell then. And if there's private money coming to help with the build, even easier to promote message as city-transforming infrastructure without costing the public purse.

If it indeed came to this point, the main points of opposition would be:

• Labor in opposition attacking LNP for "breaking promise", but as we've seen, if the "promise" is broken for a good reason, people will quickly forgive you - see Albanese/Chalmers changing the Stage 3 tax cut
• environmentalists advocating for preservation of green space: if overpass is created over ICB/rail then easy to say that stadium/arena built without loss of green space (see Brisbane Bold)
• Greens making noises - LNP have always ignored them, and I imagine will continue to ignore them on this

Do I have a future in politics?

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Do I have a future in politics?

 

[Elixuh]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/brisbane-olympics-and-paralympics-2032/lord-mayor-adrian-schrinner-backflips-on-gabba-2032-games-stadium-plan/news-story/641c627a348d8ecfb5a7d60911b59599

The article goes on to state that Schrinner called the Gabba a bad idea as recently as last week. Maybe he's been told something by the state LNP.

Only so many options. Laying the ground work publicly to weed out the other most obvious one. Positive for Vic Park imo. Then throw in other random options they are ‘considering’ like Nundah.

…and after careful consideration of all the options…

 

[Grasshopper17]

If you construct new stadium and new arena together, there is a lot of cost saving to be had, no need to disrupt local traffic due to green site build, no displacement of AFL/cricket compared to rebuilding Gabba.

Not to mention the swimming centre in the same precinct as well, as per Brisbane Bold.

 

[Section 5]

Same stadium footprint on the Gabba site. Important to note the outer ring is the back of the stands and it's centred on the current Gabba playing surface for comparison. But if they opted (hypothetically) to knock down the western stand to increase capacity to save money, it'll be different. No idea how they handle the issue of Vulture and Stanley Sts.

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I believe the building "Gabba Towers " 411 Vulture Street will be coming down.
You can move things to the left but only as far as the heritage building fronting Main Street
However, using my trusty ruler you then have more of an overhang of Vulture and Stanley Streets.
The site is a bugger
A tunnel under Stanley Street will fix that. I think this was mentioned some time ago by the Lord Mayor in regard to buses. Just no right/left turn into Main Street
I also think he could not get agreement on funding as i expect that would be expensive.
Keeps the buses running after the game though

 

[Section 5]

Do I have a future in politics?

Only if you are a lying, cheating, misleading, two faced, backstabbing SOB

 

[dlanod]

Not to mention the swimming centre in the same precinct as well, as per Brisbane Bold.

That's a big tick for Toombul, they're planning to set it up in the old carpark that kept flooding.

 

[BigCat2]

Only so many options. Laying the ground work publicly to weed out the other most obvious one. Positive for Vic Park imo. Then throw in other random options they are ‘considering’ like Nundah.

…and after careful consideration of all the options…

Good point. If they list a bunch of locations that are inferior, then Vic Park will stand out as the best.
QSAC - already dismissed as the worst option, given high cost, temporary stands, peripheral location and poor public transport.
Hamilton - may still be possible, but would cost double that of Vic Park, and inferior due to location/public transport.
Toombul - even further away, flood area.
Gabba rebuild - well established problems in limited foot print, displacement of current tenants, high cost.

Seriously, if you want to save the cost of venues, the only way is to pull out of hosting the Olympics.
Which leaves you with the old Gabba that'll only have 10 years left.

This politics stuff is so stupid.

 

[Bjo187]

There is plenty of wiggle room.

In the lead up to the election, LNP position has always been "no new stadium" and "legacy infrastructure", to shield themselves from any attacks while cost of living & inflation have been front of mind.

He now says (no new stadium) "remains our position" - this is political speak for some wiggle room, as "position" naturally can change over time depending on circumstances.

Barely 2 weeks post election, he's hardly going to come out and say "never mind what we said before, new stadium all the way!" is he?

But now with this 100 day review, especially as it includes Brisbane Arena, and has avenue for public feedback, gives them a lot of wiggle room. We know the numbers stack up for Victoria Park. If you construct new stadium and new arena together, there is a lot of cost saving to be had, no need to disrupt local traffic due to green site build, no displacement of AFL/cricket compared to rebuilding Gabba. The numbers will always stack up better than if you tried any other combination of venues because of the above.

With 100 day "independent panel" review, if they also come to same conclusion as Graham Quirk review, it will be an easy pivot to say "we said no new stadium due to concern regarding cost, but it appears new stadium is the most effective option AND provides legacy"...much easier sell then. And if there's private money coming to help with the build, even easier to promote message as city-transforming infrastructure without costing the public purse.

If it indeed came to this point, the main points of opposition would be:

• Labor in opposition attacking LNP for "breaking promise", but as we've seen, if the "promise" is broken for a good reason, people will quickly forgive you - see Albanese/Chalmers changing the Stage 3 tax cut
• environmentalists advocating for preservation of green space: if overpass is created over ICB/rail then easy to say that stadium/arena built without loss of green space (see Brisbane Bold)
• Greens making noises - LNP have always ignored them, and I imagine will continue to ignore them on this

Do I have a future in politics?

Well I hope you're right, I've lost trust in them. No new stadiums is a funny term, coz even a redeveloped gabba is a new stadium in a sense. The only thing we can hope they're doing behind the scenes is getting a privately funded stadium and putting the other billions into roads, tunnels, rail for the new stadium. Victoria park is just so obvious as the best solution, it would be incredibly dumb if anything else ended up happening. Luckily Schinner is at least on board, but this whole thing seems a lot more difficult that it even needs to be.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Well I hope you're right, I've lost trust in them. No new stadiums is a funny term, coz even a redeveloped gabba is a new stadium in a sense. The only thing we can hope they're doing behind the scenes is getting a privately funded stadium and putting the other billions into roads, tunnels, rail for the new stadium. Victoria park is just so obvious as the best solution, it would be incredibly dumb if anything else ended up happening. Luckily Schinner is at least on board, but this whole thing seems a lot more difficult that it even needs to be.

Yeah the only way I can see Vic Park happening from here is if the state Government doesn’t fund any of it. Then they can say they stuck to their word. Jungle drums are still beating for the GABBA

 

[Billy ray]

Surely you put the swimming at toombul

 

[Grasshopper17]

Surely you put the swimming at toombul

Surely you put it at Victoria Park, right next to the stadium.

 

[notliondown]

Same stadium footprint on the Gabba site. Important to note the outer ring is the back of the stands and it's centred on the current Gabba playing surface for comparison. But if they opted (hypothetically) to knock down the western stand to increase capacity to save money, it'll be different. No idea how they handle the issue of Vulture and Stanley Sts.

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My guess is to go up. A lot.

By lifting the playing surface to gain underground access from street level you would effectively elevate the stands to a height where covering the streets entirely is no longer an issue. Just like a bridge or overpass.

But f**k me what an expensive way to drive a square peg in a round hole. Not to mention a complete cluster **** for the Lions because there is no way that's a stage redevelopment.

And for life of me I just can't see how it's cheaper...