There's a lot that should have been built 20 years ago. The second best time is now. After all, the whole reason the SEQ Council of Mayors started the Olympics bid was to get more funding for infrastructure projects.
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Nothing is concrete until confirmed, but promising. Once you take out the politics, the best solution usually presents itself. Funny that.
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I'd be interested to understand how this joint proposal differs from Brisbane Bold.
I would like to think they aren't leaning too heavily (or at all, for that matter) on Steven Wilson's very flawed proposal to have a 55,000 seat stadium in the north west corner of the park.
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I doubt if any of the current Vic Park proposals will be the final once actually... I suspect once (if of course) the decision is made to build there, there will be a period of design work done, and possibly even a competition as there has been in other parts of the world, to come up with the final proposal for the stadium.
I suspect there would be an amalgamation of requirements, criteria and ideas that would come from a blend of all the current proposals.
Even though time will be of the essence, you'd hope people like Archipelago who have pushed this barrow, get a chance to finesse and contribute final designs. Something designed and built locally would be pretty special.
I suspect there would be an amalgamation of requirements, criteria and ideas that would come from a blend of all the current proposals.
Even though time will be of the essence, you'd hope people like Archipelago who have pushed this barrow, get a chance to finesse and contribute final designs. Something designed and built locally would be pretty special.
I suspect the Cricket/Lions proposal is purely the oval stadium in Vic Park, without Brisbane Live & the Swimming Arena like Brisbane Bold is proposing
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Yes, I guess that makes sense. From their point of view I guess if they go for the low(er) hanging fruit it's more likely to get across the line. All they want is (a) not to be left homeless and then (b) have an improved stadium after the Olympics.
But it will be nice if the review committee and the government can rise above this and select the best option, not the cheapest. Personally I think creating a whole precinct like in Melbourne is a brilliant plan.
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Yep, we've got a vested self-interest obviously. If we can present "Vic Park oval stadium for $Xb", that's an easier justification than allowing swimming, etc, to hitch their wagon to us and all of a sudden we're agitating for a solution that's $2Xb for no extra benefit to us.
The onus is then on the state government to take that input (and obviously from others to) and come up with the "right" solution for time vs cost vs "legacy", whatever that might be.
The onus is then on the state government to take that input (and obviously from others to) and come up with the "right" solution for time vs cost vs "legacy", whatever that might be.
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Every sport submission will have their own best interest at heart and will just push their case.
Lions and cricket together have had their say and let's hope it has had a positive influence on the Authority members.
As each submission comes in pushing their own case in various sports it can actually help your own.
No point in bagging another sports venue to get what you want.
However, the general public can put their views forward and actually criticize some of the choices that have been made.
The general public like me can give alternatives and be a bit more candid on what has happened and what may be able to change.
I wish another submission with costings was made public like Arcadis to give me some more figures to work with.
Even the Quirk review just put a figure out there regarding Victoria Park at between $3.2-$3.4 billion
My submission thoughts to the Authority are up to 12 pages at present.
The issue still is how the funding is set up and will any private involvement reduce the Governments funding total.
I found the Perth Stadium model and might use that as it will reduce the costs (Olympic Budget Wise).
It is a starting point on government procurement, a subject i know little about.
Using the WA governments 60% contribution to the Optus Stadium project i will be able to fit everything within the Olympic Budget now.
Lions and cricket together have had their say and let's hope it has had a positive influence on the Authority members.
As each submission comes in pushing their own case in various sports it can actually help your own.
No point in bagging another sports venue to get what you want.
However, the general public can put their views forward and actually criticize some of the choices that have been made.
The general public like me can give alternatives and be a bit more candid on what has happened and what may be able to change.
I wish another submission with costings was made public like Arcadis to give me some more figures to work with.
Even the Quirk review just put a figure out there regarding Victoria Park at between $3.2-$3.4 billion
My submission thoughts to the Authority are up to 12 pages at present.
The issue still is how the funding is set up and will any private involvement reduce the Governments funding total.
I found the Perth Stadium model and might use that as it will reduce the costs (Olympic Budget Wise).
It is a starting point on government procurement, a subject i know little about.
Using the WA governments 60% contribution to the Optus Stadium project i will be able to fit everything within the Olympic Budget now.
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Perth Stadium as a successful model for stadium delivery?
As a useful case study, the A$1.2 billion, 60,000 seat stadium in Perth, Western Australia which was completed in late 2017 might give a perspective of how the Tasmanian stadium could be procured.While the majority of stadiums in Australian are direct procurements by State governments, the Perth stadium was procured under an availability based public private partnership ("PPP") procurement model. The PPP model will be familiar to many, although there are various permutations of the model depending on the specific jurisdiction.
At its highest level, PPPs are a model for procuring projects which allow Governments to utilize private capital to spread the large capital cost of infrastructure over its usable life. A private consortium funds the construction of the infrastructure from a combination of private equity and limited recourse project-financed debt.
While it's possible for certain PPP infrastructure to pay its own way (e.g., toll roads), more commonly the State repays the capital cost of social infrastructure by way of 'availability payments' over a term of 20-30 years. During the term of the concession, the consortium continues to maintain the asset, on the basis that deductions may be made from the availability payments for a failure to do so. This represents another key feature of the PPP model the ability for Governments to benefit from warranties regarding the condition of the asset over the entire concession term.
In the case of the Perth Stadium, the project was awarded to the Westadium consortium, comprised of John Laing Investments (Perth Stadium) B.V. and Aberdeen Infrastructure Investments (NPS) Limited at the equity level. The Westadium consortium engaged Brookfield entities to construct and subsequently maintain the stadium for the duration of the concession.
The substitution of Government debt with higher cost private debt is one of the criticisms of the PPP model, and the West Australian Government mitigated those costs by directly funding 60% of the construction costs.
Stadiums represent an interesting asset class for the PPP model. Most neatly, they fit into the category of social infrastructure, on the basis that the financial model will typically be built up based on an availability payment, rather than patronage forecasts. However, what makes stadiums attractive for PPP funding is the upside opportunity of using the Stadium for non-core purposes, as is proposed by the Stadia Precinct. In the case of Perth stadium, the State intended to recoup the maintenance and lifecycle components of the availability payments from Stadium Stadiums represent an interesting asset class for the PPP model. Most neatly, they fit into the category of social infrastructure, on the basis that the financial model will typically be built up based on an availability payment, rather than patronage forecasts. However, what makes stadiums attractive for PPP funding is the upside opportunity of using the Stadium for non-core purposes, as is proposed by the Stadia Precinct. In the case of Perth stadium, the State intended to recoup the maintenance and lifecycle components of the availability payments from Stadium revenues. In addition to Stadium revenues, the Westadium consortium is entitled to pursue other commercial opportunities, with some of those revenues banked in the financial model. Where commercial opportunities revenues exceed projections, the contract provided for those revenues to be shared with Government.
The Perth Stadium project has been widely accepted as a success. The Stadium is world class and has become a landmark within the city. Since its completion, the project debt has been successfully refinanced twice, more recently in late 2023, and John Laing sold its 50% equity interest to AMP Capital (now Dexus Group) in 2019. In 2024, Aberdeen sold its 50% interest in the Perth Stadium along with other Australian PPP interests, with a further refinancing of the expiring project debt also contemplated.
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Will Victoria Stadium have a retractable roof?
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In reply to my emails to the Federal and State sports ministers, I recieved an email to put a submission to the 100 day review. Had to provide full name and contact details. Kept it short and sweet - just said I had been a long term Brisbane resident and sports fan, Vic Park is obviously the best option - so just do it.
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We can probably afford the roof and both political parties may agree, it's what goes under it is the problem
The idea of a new stadium on the CRR station site has been proposed to death. Weren't the complications that CRR hasn't been designed for a stadium to be built over it, there's a security risk and there's no possibility of underground parking? I don't see how this proposal addresses any of those issues. Is this just Courier Mail clickbait once again?
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This looks like the exact proposal the liberals were said to have already agreed on internally about a month ago.
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So we start Playing North/South rather than East/West?
Could be a bit disorientating for the players.
Could be a bit disorientating for the players.
Cricket pitches always run north-south (due to the sun). Which is why is is better that stadiums run east-west.
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BREAKING NEWS
New stadium proposed by Lion's fanatic solves all problems and green light likely. Statement follows :
I'd like to propose that we build a new stadium over Queen St mall.
In a well thought out plan, it's plainly obvious that traffic disruption would be nil because, well there isn't any.
Buses are already under the mall.... transport problem solved. Cafes and eateries are close by... yet another problem solved.
It seems I'm missing a tunnel... So I would propose a tunnel directly linking the stadium to the new Albert St train station and also to the bus terminal. If we have any money left over I think we should extend the tunnel to the North side of the city coming out at the Ekka so there is no hill to walk over for patrons.
Sky hooks would be provided to support the new floating stadium as it is now clearly now possible to defy gravity. The lower level stands would simply extend down to ground level so people could enter the ground and then during the game and when not in use, these stands would retract up into the upper stands to cause minimal disruption to business - particularly Brisbane icon - Jimmys.
The footprint of the stadium would slightly encroach on King George square, the Botanical gardens and a small section would obscure the views out of the gaming lounge at Star. No one will care however as this unanimously acclaimed icon will be on every marketing brochure for decades.
I believe this new proposal would be costed at around $25.19 before GST and will be hailed a marvel of good old QLD ingenuity. There is a very good chance it will come in on time and under budget. Constructed from chain mesh and star pickets the stadium will be as up to date as the iPhone 6 with modern amenities such as running water and post boxes.
Inspired by nature, the stadiums design will be thoughtful, inclusive - definitely not woke but heaven forbid - and will be almost invisible to the naked eye as depicted below.
Personally I am at a loss to find fault with any part of this concept or proposal and I believe that it holds the same credibility as some of the more fanciful and ludicrous designs already submitted. All problems have been solved, even ones not thought of - issues are eliminated and difficulties are unlikely.
I look forward to receiving the contract to begin work within weeks, with an expected completion date of the 17th of February.
New stadium proposed by Lion's fanatic solves all problems and green light likely. Statement follows :
I'd like to propose that we build a new stadium over Queen St mall.
In a well thought out plan, it's plainly obvious that traffic disruption would be nil because, well there isn't any.
Buses are already under the mall.... transport problem solved. Cafes and eateries are close by... yet another problem solved.
It seems I'm missing a tunnel... So I would propose a tunnel directly linking the stadium to the new Albert St train station and also to the bus terminal. If we have any money left over I think we should extend the tunnel to the North side of the city coming out at the Ekka so there is no hill to walk over for patrons.
Sky hooks would be provided to support the new floating stadium as it is now clearly now possible to defy gravity. The lower level stands would simply extend down to ground level so people could enter the ground and then during the game and when not in use, these stands would retract up into the upper stands to cause minimal disruption to business - particularly Brisbane icon - Jimmys.
The footprint of the stadium would slightly encroach on King George square, the Botanical gardens and a small section would obscure the views out of the gaming lounge at Star. No one will care however as this unanimously acclaimed icon will be on every marketing brochure for decades.
I believe this new proposal would be costed at around $25.19 before GST and will be hailed a marvel of good old QLD ingenuity. There is a very good chance it will come in on time and under budget. Constructed from chain mesh and star pickets the stadium will be as up to date as the iPhone 6 with modern amenities such as running water and post boxes.
Inspired by nature, the stadiums design will be thoughtful, inclusive - definitely not woke but heaven forbid - and will be almost invisible to the naked eye as depicted below.
Personally I am at a loss to find fault with any part of this concept or proposal and I believe that it holds the same credibility as some of the more fanciful and ludicrous designs already submitted. All problems have been solved, even ones not thought of - issues are eliminated and difficulties are unlikely.
I look forward to receiving the contract to begin work within weeks, with an expected completion date of the 17th of February.
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BREAKING NEWS
New stadium proposed by Lion's fanatic solves all problems and green light likely. Statement follows :
I'd like to propose that we build a new stadium over Queen St mall.
In a well thought out plan, it's plainly obvious that traffic disruption would be nil because, well there isn't any.
Buses are already under the mall.... transport problem solved. Cafes and eateries are close by... yet another problem solved.
It seems I'm missing a tunnel... So I would propose a tunnel directly linking the stadium to the new Albert St train station and also to the bus terminal. If we have any money left over I think we should extend the tunnel to the North side of the city coming out at the Ekka so there is no hill to walk over for patrons.
Sky hooks would be provided to support the new floating stadium as it is now clearly now possible to defy gravity. The lower level stands would simply extend down to ground level so people could enter the ground and then during the game and when not in use, these stands would retract up into the upper stands to cause minimal disruption to business - particularly Brisbane icon - Jimmys.
The footprint of the stadium would slightly encroach on King George square, the Botanical gardens and a small section would obscure the views out of the gaming lounge at Star. No one will care however as this unanimously acclaimed icon will be on every marketing brochure for decades.
I believe this new proposal would be costed at around $25.19 before GST and will be hailed a marvel of good old QLD ingenuity. There is a very good chance it will come in on time and under budget. Constructed from chain mesh and star pickets the stadium will be as up to date as the iPhone 6 with modern amenities such as running water and post boxes.
Inspired by nature, the stadiums design will be thoughtful, inclusive - definitely not woke but heaven forbid - and will be almost invisible to the naked eye as depicted below.
Personally I am at a loss to find fault with any part of this concept or proposal and I believe that it holds the same credibility as some of the more fanciful and ludicrous designs already submitted. All problems have been solved, even ones not thought of - issues are eliminated and difficulties are unlikely.
I look forward to receiving the contract to begin work within weeks, with an expected completion date of the 17th of February.
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What is your rationale here? Our current grounds in Perth, Melbourne and Brisbane all have long square boundaries, while in Sydney and Adelaide the long(er) boundaries are the straight ones.
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Looking at the image that goes over Vulture Street.
Without knowing details.
Looks like it is being built over St Nichols Cathedral/Chappel and covering a lot of the block on the corner.
Maybe it is missing the Cathedral site.
The large corner block is undergoing construction of some sort up to the Cathedral.
Unless they are just getting the block ready for sale.
Then we have Vulture Street closure for what has to be an underground tunnel
Looks like they have avoided the underground rail station.
The Clem 7 runs underneath the property also. Its lowest point is 60 meters below the Brisbane River.
So, i think that may not be a problem.
What's that saying no idea is a bad idea.
Blue - Brisbane Arena (yeh i could not be bothered doing another one with the oval across Vulture Street) not over any underground rail line or station.
Green dots/dash - This is where people will enter and exit the station
Brown - Clem 7 underground toll road
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