News Gabba Upgrade & Olympics News

[Grasshopper17]

Yes, the Brisbane River is more towards the dark brown - black color now. Has been since the rains came about 6 weeks ago.
I had a walk over the new green bridge on Sunday and took a few photos on my phone which i don't do too often.
The color of the river is fairly accurate.
On the bridge. That is the 4th one in the CBD area and i wonder if another will be added before the Olympics.

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Where would you put another bridge?

From a selfish point of view I'd like to see the proposed bridge from Toowong to West End get built.

 

[Perrip]

Where would you put another bridge?

From a selfish point of view I'd like to see the proposed bridge from Toowong to West End get built.

Toowong to West End is progressing, Schrinner confirmed it on Sunday. But he also confirmed that the West End to St. Lucia bridge would be scrapped.

Kangaroo Point Bridge opens, but St Lucia to West End crossing axed

"We’re keen to progress the Toowong to West End Bridge next, in partnership with other levels of government, before the 2032 Games,” he said.
"However, we have to be realistic, and due to rising costs, lower-than-expected revenue and changing community expectations, we’ve made the decision not to proceed with the West End to St Lucia bridge.”

 

[Grasshopper17]

Toowong to West End is progressing, Schrinner confirmed it on Sunday. But he also confirmed that the West End to St. Lucia bridge would be scrapped.

Kangaroo Point Bridge opens, but St Lucia to West End crossing axed

I actually think that makes sense. We probably don't need both. And there's already a ferry service that runs across the river from St Lucia to West End so if you were going to dump one of the two bridges, that's the one you'd drop.

I didn't even know a St Lucia to West End bridge was proposed in the first place

Good band tho

 

[The Flying Belgian]

It’s from all of the rain, it looks like that out in the Bay as well.

Yeah man... that's why I said about the runoff.

 

[Nunez]

Where would you put another bridge?

From a selfish point of view I'd like to see the proposed bridge from Toowong to West End get built.

Should have been built 20 years ago.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Should have been built 20 years ago.

There's a lot that should have been built 20 years ago. The second best time is now. After all, the whole reason the SEQ Council of Mayors started the Olympics bid was to get more funding for infrastructure projects.

 

[Perrip]

Queensland Cricket, Brisbane Lions bosses urge government to abandon the Gabba - Robert Craddock

As the Brisbane Test headed towards a watery grave there was a watershed moment off the field with progress in the official push to scrap the Gabba as a Test venue.
Bosses of Queensland Cricket and the Brisbane Lions have met with members of the Queensland Government’s 100-day Olympic venue review this week and urged them to abandon the ground after the 2032 Olympics.
Their proposal includes building a new ground at Victoria Park.
It is understood the Victoria Park proposal is now being looked at extremely closely by the review panel despite the government’s pledge for no new stadiums. Insiders say it is now the most likely option ahead of a redeveloped Gabba.
Cricket Australia chief executive Nick Hockley told this masthead last week the Gabba should be used for the final cricket match of the 2032 Olympics then cricket should move to the new stadium.
“It’s clear the Gabba is coming to the end of its useful life and the Brisbane 2032 Games presents a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to develop a world class stadium that delivers strong legacy benefits for Queensland, by providing cricket and football fans with the facilities that they deserve,’’ Hockley said.
“Hopefully, this latest review will provide the certainty that everyone is craving, not least the Games organisers and together with Queensland Cricket, the AFL and the Lions, we will be making a strong case for a new stadium that can accommodate cricket and Australian rules football at Victoria Park into the future.’’

 

[BigCat2]

Queensland Cricket, Brisbane Lions bosses urge government to abandon the Gabba - Robert Craddock

Nothing is concrete until confirmed, but promising. Once you take out the politics, the best solution usually presents itself. Funny that.

 

[Grasshopper17]

Queensland Cricket, Brisbane Lions bosses urge government to abandon the Gabba - Robert Craddock

I'd be interested to understand how this joint proposal differs from Brisbane Bold.

I would like to think they aren't leaning too heavily (or at all, for that matter) on Steven Wilson's very flawed proposal to have a 55,000 seat stadium in the north west corner of the park.

 

[notliondown]

I doubt if any of the current Vic Park proposals will be the final once actually... I suspect once (if of course) the decision is made to build there, there will be a period of design work done, and possibly even a competition as there has been in other parts of the world, to come up with the final proposal for the stadium.

I suspect there would be an amalgamation of requirements, criteria and ideas that would come from a blend of all the current proposals.

Even though time will be of the essence, you'd hope people like Archipelago who have pushed this barrow, get a chance to finesse and contribute final designs. Something designed and built locally would be pretty special.

 

[Perrip]

I'd be interested to understand how this joint proposal differs from Brisbane Bold.

I would like to think they aren't leaning too heavily (or at all, for that matter) on Steven Wilson's very flawed proposal to have a 55,000 seat stadium in the north west corner of the park.

I suspect the Cricket/Lions proposal is purely the oval stadium in Vic Park, without Brisbane Live & the Swimming Arena like Brisbane Bold is proposing

 

[Grasshopper17]

I suspect the Cricket/Lions proposal is purely the oval stadium in Vic Park, without Brisbane Live & the Swimming Arena like Brisbane Bold is proposing

Yes, I guess that makes sense. From their point of view I guess if they go for the low(er) hanging fruit it's more likely to get across the line. All they want is (a) not to be left homeless and then (b) have an improved stadium after the Olympics.

But it will be nice if the review committee and the government can rise above this and select the best option, not the cheapest. Personally I think creating a whole precinct like in Melbourne is a brilliant plan.

 

[dlanod]

Yep, we've got a vested self-interest obviously. If we can present "Vic Park oval stadium for $Xb", that's an easier justification than allowing swimming, etc, to hitch their wagon to us and all of a sudden we're agitating for a solution that's $2Xb for no extra benefit to us.

The onus is then on the state government to take that input (and obviously from others to) and come up with the "right" solution for time vs cost vs "legacy", whatever that might be.

 

[Section 5]

Every sport submission will have their own best interest at heart and will just push their case.
Lions and cricket together have had their say and let's hope it has had a positive influence on the Authority members.
As each submission comes in pushing their own case in various sports it can actually help your own.
No point in bagging another sports venue to get what you want.

However, the general public can put their views forward and actually criticize some of the choices that have been made.
The general public like me can give alternatives and be a bit more candid on what has happened and what may be able to change.
I wish another submission with costings was made public like Arcadis to give me some more figures to work with.
Even the Quirk review just put a figure out there regarding Victoria Park at between $3.2-$3.4 billion
My submission thoughts to the Authority are up to 12 pages at present.
The issue still is how the funding is set up and will any private involvement reduce the Governments funding total.

I found the Perth Stadium model and might use that as it will reduce the costs (Olympic Budget Wise).
It is a starting point on government procurement, a subject i know little about.
Using the WA governments 60% contribution to the Optus Stadium project i will be able to fit everything within the Olympic Budget now.

 

[Section 5]

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Perth Stadium as a successful model for stadium delivery?​

As a useful case study, the A$1.2 billion, 60,000 seat stadium in Perth, Western Australia which was completed in late 2017 might give a perspective of how the Tasmanian stadium could be procured.

While the majority of stadiums in Australian are direct procurements by State governments, the Perth stadium was procured under an availability based public private partnership ("PPP") procurement model. The PPP model will be familiar to many, although there are various permutations of the model depending on the specific jurisdiction.

At its highest level, PPPs are a model for procuring projects which allow Governments to utilize private capital to spread the large capital cost of infrastructure over its usable life. A private consortium funds the construction of the infrastructure from a combination of private equity and limited recourse project-financed debt.

While it's possible for certain PPP infrastructure to pay its own way (e.g., toll roads), more commonly the State repays the capital cost of social infrastructure by way of 'availability payments' over a term of 20-30 years. During the term of the concession, the consortium continues to maintain the asset, on the basis that deductions may be made from the availability payments for a failure to do so. This represents another key feature of the PPP model  the ability for Governments to benefit from warranties regarding the condition of the asset over the entire concession term.

In the case of the Perth Stadium, the project was awarded to the Westadium consortium, comprised of John Laing Investments (Perth Stadium) B.V. and Aberdeen Infrastructure Investments (NPS) Limited at the equity level. The Westadium consortium engaged Brookfield entities to construct and subsequently maintain the stadium for the duration of the concession.

The substitution of Government debt with higher cost private debt is one of the criticisms of the PPP model, and the West Australian Government mitigated those costs by directly funding 60% of the construction costs.

Stadiums represent an interesting asset class for the PPP model. Most neatly, they fit into the category of social infrastructure, on the basis that the financial model will typically be built up based on an availability payment, rather than patronage forecasts. However, what makes stadiums attractive for PPP funding is the upside opportunity of using the Stadium for non-core purposes, as is proposed by the Stadia Precinct. In the case of Perth stadium, the State intended to recoup the maintenance and lifecycle components of the availability payments from Stadium Stadiums represent an interesting asset class for the PPP model. Most neatly, they fit into the category of social infrastructure, on the basis that the financial model will typically be built up based on an availability payment, rather than patronage forecasts. However, what makes stadiums attractive for PPP funding is the upside opportunity of using the Stadium for non-core purposes, as is proposed by the Stadia Precinct. In the case of Perth stadium, the State intended to recoup the maintenance and lifecycle components of the availability payments from Stadium revenues. In addition to Stadium revenues, the Westadium consortium is entitled to pursue other commercial opportunities, with some of those revenues banked in the financial model. Where commercial opportunities revenues exceed projections, the contract provided for those revenues to be shared with Government.

The Perth Stadium project has been widely accepted as a success. The Stadium is world class and has become a landmark within the city. Since its completion, the project debt has been successfully refinanced twice, more recently in late 2023, and John Laing sold its 50% equity interest to AMP Capital (now Dexus Group) in 2019. In 2024, Aberdeen sold its 50% interest in the Perth Stadium along with other Australian PPP interests, with a further refinancing of the expiring project debt also contemplated.

 

[ice444]

Will Victoria Stadium have a retractable roof?

 

[BuntonRules]

In reply to my emails to the Federal and State sports ministers, I recieved an email to put a submission to the 100 day review. Had to provide full name and contact details. Kept it short and sweet - just said I had been a long term Brisbane resident and sports fan, Vic Park is obviously the best option - so just do it.

 

[wantok]

In reply to my emails to the Federal and State sports ministers, I recieved an email to put a submission to the 100 day review. Had to provide full name and contact details. Kept it short and sweet - just said I had been a long term Brisbane resident and sports fan, Vic Park is obviously the best option - so just do it.

Received same. Will also provide a brief submission.

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[dlanod]

Will Victoria Stadium have a retractable roof?

I actually had a similar thought after the recent Test debacle.

 

[Section 5]

Will Victoria Stadium have a retractable roof?

I actually had a similar thought after the recent Test debacle.

We can probably afford the roof and both political parties may agree, it's what goes under it is the problem

 

[Johnny Bananas]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gabba-west-proposed-as-main-venue-for-2032-brisbane-olympics/news-story/f9264670d30ddf45ce25a945d2e68793

A tunnel under Vulture St and a second Gabba is the “obvious solution” to solve Brisbane’s Olympic stadium problems, a new submission insists.

Kirk Architects is proposing ‘Gabba West’ be built above the Woolloongabba Cross River Rail site to sit alongside the current, smaller, Gabba.

In a joint proposal, Kirk director Rickard Kirk and principal Andrew Magub say the near-empty site is the “most accessible site in the city”.

Gabba West would be a new 60,000-seat stadium built above Vulture St after minor land acquisition, while the current Gabba would be retained to provide warm-up, support and ancillary functions during the 2032 Olympic Games.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The idea of a new stadium on the CRR station site has been proposed to death. Weren't the complications that CRR hasn't been designed for a stadium to be built over it, there's a security risk and there's no possibility of underground parking? I don't see how this proposal addresses any of those issues. Is this just Courier Mail clickbait once again?

 

[Bjo187]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/gabba-west-proposed-as-main-venue-for-2032-brisbane-olympics/news-story/f9264670d30ddf45ce25a945d2e68793

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This looks like the exact proposal the liberals were said to have already agreed on internally about a month ago.

 

[Dalions]

So we start Playing North/South rather than East/West?
Could be a bit disorientating for the players.

 

[dlanod]

So we start Playing North/South rather than East/West?
Could be a bit disorientating for the players.

Imagine the poor cricket players trying to run in from the Vulture St end and finding themselves perpendicular to the pitch.