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[Johnny Bananas]

Near closing time so another old proposal has been sent to the authority.

For a global firm to send a submission pretty much the same as they did to Quirk is a bit on the cheap side.

Not sure if the link will open. The proposed site is the Mayne Rail Yards.

Oh good grief, it's way too late for that now. They already put millions into redoing the yard.

They have just spent big money and 2 years upgrading this area in readiness for CRR.
This section of CRR completed 12 months ago. Not sure why they have even submitted the plan.

To get free advertising. The suckers in the media will be happy to put their company's name out there to get themselves an easy story.

Most likely you would have to build a new railyard first, so the transition could go as smoothly as possible.
Then start demolishing the old one. Then build this proposed big project.

Pretty much. The whole exercise would probably take ten years from start to finish. We don't have ten years.

 

[Section 5]

Oh good grief, it's way too late for that now. They already put millions into redoing the yard.


To get free advertising. The suckers in the media will be happy to put their company's name out there to get themselves an easy story.


Pretty much. The whole exercise would probably take ten years from start to finish. We don't have ten years.

It would not surprise me they just want their name being put out there as you say.
No doubt the Mayne Rail Yard area is reasonably close to the CBD and in the future would be way more valuable than somewhere 10klm out from the city.
Most likely they may get involved when a decision is made on the stadium location, and a procurement process begins.
It look's look like they do some big projects worldwide.
They only opened an Australian office in 2019 in Sydney

One Barangaroo

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Compton & Edrich Stands, Lord's Cricket Ground

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Projects

We have built some of the world’s most recognisable landmarks.

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[The Flying Belgian]

I can't wait until Save Victoria Park start protesting on the ground that it will disrupt the ibis colony living in York's Hollow.

 

[dlanod]

I can't wait until Save Victoria Park start protesting on the ground that it will disrupt the ibis colony living in York's Hollow.

They've taken notes from "Rethink the Gabba" and they're currently lobbying for a school to be set up there in the next few weeks so they can complain about how far the kids would have to travel to the next school over.

 

[MSB ROYS]

They've taken notes from "Rethink the Gabba" and they're currently lobbying for a school to be set up there in the next few weeks so they can complain about how far the kids would have to travel to the next school over.

Pity Kelvin Grove State College is there already. Was hoping that it was originally part of the parkland but the first school was built there in 1875 at the same time the park was gazetted according to a search. I would be OK with demolishing some of the QUT campus for parkland though.

 

[Black Panther]

The Save Albert Park group is still exists and protesting 30 years later

Something to look forward to

 

[Section 5]

The 5 ex Brisbane Lord Mayors probably waiting for the outcome.
If VP is suggested as the preferred site for a stadium, they will then come out in force opposing the decision.
Most likely they have put in a submission to the Authority for now.

 

[Grasshopper17]

The 5 ex Brisbane Lord Mayors probably waiting for the outcome.
If VP is suggested as the preferred site for a stadium, they will then come out in force opposing the decision.
Most likely they put in a submission to the Authority for now.

I sent the review panel an(other) email today, noting how the "save Victoria Park" gaggle had gone to great lengths to NOT propose an alternative site for the stadium.

The only rational explanation for this is that even THEY realise that Victoria Park is the best and most appropriate place for a stadium, and as soon as they suggest an alternative, no matter what that is, it will become obvious.

 

[Bjo187]

The 5 ex Brisbane Lord Mayors probably waiting for the outcome.
If VP is suggested as the preferred site for a stadium, they will then come out in force opposing the decision.
Most likely they have put in a submission to the Authority for now.

Isn't quirk an ex Lord mayor and schinner is definitely on side, both liberals so a more direct influence on the current government, that's 2 out of 5 (although the other 3 might be libs as well, I dunno).

 

[Perrip]

The 5 ex Brisbane Lord Mayors probably waiting for the outcome.
If VP is suggested as the preferred site for a stadium, they will then come out in force opposing the decision.
Most likely they have put in a submission to the Authority for now.

Don't think we've seen anything public from most of the former LMs on the issue. The only public statement that has been made is from Newman. Who doesn't support Vic Park, but supports either 'the Gabba, Hamilton Northshore [or] Mayne Yards' instead.

Brisbane Times: The Mayne event: Concept promises to put 2032 Games back on the rails

 

[Section 5]

Don't think we've seen anything public from most of the former LMs on the issue. The only public statement that has been made is from Newman. Who doesn't support Vic Park, but supports either 'the Gabba, Hamilton Northshore [or] Mayne Yards' instead.

Brisbane Times: The Mayne event: Concept promises to put 2032 Games back on the rails

This came out after the Quirk review so some time ago.
Two below

Five Brisbane lord mayors oppose new stadium at Victoria Park

“Madness”, one called it. A “body blow” said another. Their parties are political rivals but the Games venue suggestion has united these ex-mayors.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

Just google "5 lord mayors oppose Victoria Park" and see results. Not heaps but it made all the news channels at the time.

Isn't quirk an ex Lord mayor and schinner is definitely on side, both liberals so a more direct influence on the current government, that's 2 out of 5 (although the other 3 might be libs as well, I dunno).

Three Labor and 2 Liberals

The main thing is the present Lord Mayor is now (after his reelection) is in favor of Victoria Park having a stadium.

 

[Bjo187]

This came out after the Quirk review so some time ago.
Two below

Five Brisbane lord mayors oppose new stadium at Victoria Park

“Madness”, one called it. A “body blow” said another. Their parties are political rivals but the Games venue suggestion has united these ex-mayors.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

Just google "5 lord mayors oppose Victoria Park" and see results. Not heaps but it made all the news channels at the time.


Three Labor and 2 Liberals

The main thing is the present Lord Mayor is now (after his reelection) is in favor of Victoria Park having a stadium.

Yeah I don't think they'll care about the ex labor ones but not sure what Campbell Newman is doing there, he'll no doubt be reigned in if the libs wanna go that way. The whole thing is so ridiculous there is a tonne of space there.

 

[Perrip]

This came out after the Quirk review so some time ago.
Two below

Yeah, sorry meant for the 100 Day Review. I think Newman is the only one who's made a submission to the current review, at least that we know publicly.
Campbell Newman's submission to the 100-day review

 

[Nunez]

Yeah, sorry meant for the 100 Day Review. I think Newman is the only one who's made a submission to the current review, at least that we know publicly.
Campbell Newman's submission to the 100-day review
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I hate the rhetoric that existing parks are under pressure. Crock of shit. The existing parks such as the Brisbane City Park and Roma st parklands are constantly used, but even in beautiful sunny days, aren't at capacity.

Furthermore, this rhetoric makes it out like we're choosing between a green space or a stadium when in reality we will have both and the green space surrounding the stadium will see more use than it ever has.

 

[Perrip]

Furthermore, this rhetoric makes it out like we're choosing between a green space or a stadium when in reality we will have both and the green space surrounding the stadium will see more use than it ever has.

Part of me is curious if Newman is a member of the Save Victoria Park group lol

 

[Nunez]

Part of me is curious if Newman is a member of the Save Victoria Park group lol

Probably read the speculation that the Olympic housing could be used for public servants post-games and flipped out.

 

[MSB ROYS]

Part of me is curious if Newman is a member of the Save Victoria Park group lol

Probably the worst Premier post-Fitzgerald. Definitely worth ignoring IMO.

 

[Section 5]

Yeah, sorry meant for the 100 Day Review. I think Newman is the only one who's made a submission to the current review, at least that we know publicly.
Campbell Newman's submission to the 100-day review
View attachment 2201368

Thanks for Newmans full 2-page submission. He really did put in an effort.
Maybe with no staff to write anything for him anymore he had to do it himself.

Yorks Hollow/Barrambin/ Victoria Park pretty much covered the Herston/Bowen Hills suburbs area.
Brisbane was and is a growing city, something had to fill those two suburbs eventually.

He bizarrely mentions, University, RNA, two Inner City Busways and the Legacy Way Tunnel as occupying VP green space.
He did not mention the RBWH being the largest hospital in Australia or the two schools in the area. The balance of land went to housing of course with a sprinkling of smaller parks in the area. The university and the 2 schools have sporting field within their grounds.

He notes that Victoria Park- "exclusion of the public from free use open space" but in other parts he mentions Golf and that it is only since 2019 that this has been the case. So, 5 years exclusive use for the public. Hardly an argument.

There will be a loss of mature trees, but it can be kept to a minimum as it is mostly grass fairways and is not a forest.
Maybe they can replant a % of trees lost.

The first nations and to a lesser extent heritage issues are real but i hope that has mostly been sorted with the BCC Masterplan.

No doubt there will be increased car/foot traffic around the area. Thats why i suggested a new rail station to reduce that issue.

Newman using Suncorp (Lang Park), Ballymore and Perry Park as negative examples for occupying green space is absurd.

Lang Park: Initially was a cemetery then a recreational area (image below) then a Rugby League/Athletics venue then it's present use.

 

[Grasshopper17]

There will be a loss of mature trees, but it can be kept to a minimum as it is mostly grass fairways and is not a forest.
Maybe they can replant a % of trees lost.

The first nations and to a lesser extent heritage issues are real but i hope that has mostly been sorted with the BCC Masterplan.

I would like to see MUCH more get done with the open grassland areas (ie the former greens and fairways). In my view we should be looking to turn the vast majority of the remaining parkland into a much more dense forest type area, with paths through it to allow ease of accessibility to the stadium precinct.

Great post overall... You should communicate this to the review panel if you haven't already. The official feedback period has closed but the email address (100dayreview@gvlda.au) I'm sure will still work.

 

[SizeMatters]

**** them. I've been to Vic Park twice for a look and both times there was literally no one there (okay maybe like three people). These NIMBY's won't even be around once the Stadium is built or at best will be shipped off to their nearest nursing home.

Is Brisbane a modern city or not? Every other major capital city has a dedicated parkland/entertainment precinct. Or close to.

We need the FOMO's to step up and cancel out these NIMBY's. Maybe we need Midnight Oil, The Who, Fleetwood Mac Rolling Stones etc to come out and leave BNE off an Australian Tour due to lack of appropriate venue. **** these Boomers.

 

[Section 5]

I would like to see MUCH more get done with the open grassland areas (ie the former greens and fairways). In my view we should be looking to turn the vast majority of the remaining parkland into a much more dense forest type area, with paths through it to allow ease of accessibility to the stadium precinct.

Great post overall... You should communicate this to the review panel if you haven't already. The official feedback period has closed but the email address (100dayreview@gvlda.au) I'm sure will still work.

Thanks
But i have had my say to the Authority so that's enough.
About 8 weeks to go before we get some sort of decision. Just 6 weeks before the LNP get a draft Summary

I quite like the BCC masterplan, (latest construction costs i could find was $140 million) but it would have to be altered some if a stadium was to get approval. At present they can't do anything about the large area of the golf driving range.

Maybe they need a procurement process to include the BCC masterplan as a guide for what's required in the surrounding area and include both going to the successful applicant. They would need to keep the funding separate so unlikely to happen.
Would be cheaper in the long run but that does not appear to be the Governments priority. That being keep within budget.
Also hard to explain in short press conferences to the general public who are easily swayed by their political links.

The Mayne Rail Yards company did the "Gardens by The Bay Singapore" that had 11 million visitors in 2023.
We would only require something on a much smaller scale in the $140 million plus area. They also did the Lords Cricket Ground stands. I am sure Arcadis would be up to planning the surrounds also along with other companies.
As Andrew Liveris reminded everyone there are companies in Australia and worldwide that do this for a living so one should not be hard to find within budget parameters.

 

[Grasshopper17]

**** them. I've been to Vic Park twice for a look and both times there was literally no one there (okay maybe like three people). These NIMBY's won't even be around once the Stadium is built or at best will be shipped off to their nearest nursing home.

Is Brisbane a modern city or not? Every other major capital city has a dedicated parkland/entertainment precinct. Or close to.

We need the FOMO's to step up and cancel out these NIMBY's. Maybe we need Midnight Oil, The Who, Fleetwood Mac Rolling Stones etc to come out and leave BNE off an Australian Tour due to lack of appropriate venue. **** these Boomers.

Tell us what you really think

To be fair, Midnight Oil make me chuckle.

I once went to see them up at one of those vineyards west of Newcastle. Birds Of Tokyo opened for them so it was a cracking day all round. Anyway Peter Garrett did his thing all through the concert, preaching about the environment and whatnot in between all the songs.

Then at the end of the show there was this massive fireworks display! Cos I bet those were carbon neutral right

Not to mention the crowd who clapped and applauded basically everything Garrett said all through the show... And then left all their rubbish behind when they left!

Talk the talk, walk the walk.

 

[Perrip]

Stadium debate dominates Brisbane 2032 Olympic review - Hayden Johnson

Debate about a new stadium was the overwhelming focus of almost 5000 submissions to a landmark Olympic and Paralympic Games infrastructure review.
The Games Independent Infrastructure and Coordination Authority’s call for Queenslanders to have their say on plans and legacy projects for the Brisbane 2032 Games ended on Friday.
The 100-Day review prompted some 5000 submissions from groups including residents, infrastructure and planning experts, sporting and community organisations.
Conjecture over a new centrepiece stadium was the most mentioned topic among submissions, followed by the locations of other major and minor venues and ideas on generational public and active transport infrastructure.
Submissions will now be reviewed and examined by the seven-member authority as it considers recommendations to be delivered to the Queensland Government on March 8.
The submissions will not be made public.
Authority Chairman Stephen Conry said the volume of submissions indicated the passion Queenslanders held for the event.
“There is no doubt that the Brisbane 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games will be an exceptionally exciting opportunity,” he said.
“The large volume and quality of the submissions, from across the state, is an impressive outcome for the Authority and the 100-day review and a reminder of how passionate Queenslanders are about the opportunities that can be linked to delivering this historic event.
“In those thousands of submissions, there was a resounding message – Queenslanders are excited and many are keen to express a view on ensuring we deliver the great projects and facilities for the 2032 Games with generational benefits to the state for decades to come.” Mr Conry said the submissions would inform recommendations sent to the government to capitalise on the opportunity for Queensland.
An ongoing “extensive confidential consultation with targeted stakeholders and experts” was also held alongside the period for public submissions, Mr Conry revealed.
Brisbane Lions, Queensland Cricket and Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner have called for a new stadium to be built at Victoria Park.
Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate said Doomben Racecourse could host a new stadium and a roof should be put on the Gold Coast Aquatic Centre.
Kirk Architects says a tunnel under Vulture St and a second Gabba was the “obvious solution” to solve Brisbane’s Olympic stadium problems.
The state government has not committed to endorsing the recommendations of the independent infrastructure authority, but Sport, Olympic and Paralympic Games Minister Tim Mander last month hinted they would be.
“I expect that the outcomes that they recommend will be good outcomes and then the government will make the final decision,” he said.

 

[Gadzorks]

I sent the review panel an(other) email today, noting how the "save Victoria Park" gaggle had gone to great lengths to NOT propose an alternative site for the stadium.

The only rational explanation for this is that even THEY realise that Victoria Park is the best and most appropriate place for a stadium, and as soon as they suggest an alternative, no matter what that is, it will become obvious.

Hobbies are fun.

Keep up the good work.

 

[lionraven]

Mayne yards needs to be moved at some point in Brisbane's history. I think that point should be when we have 5 million residents living in BCC proper who pay enough tax to warrant such a costly development. That's probably 2100 territory. I think the two probable options are Gabba and Victoria Park. Hamilton is too far out and unless the private companies are willing to chip in a lot to develop rail etc then it won't happen. I personally am a fan of Roma Street Brisbane live. It makes sense to have a venue near Roma parklands so as to activate that public area more and stimulate an entertainment precinct developing there. However I also see the benefits of building that Brisbane Arena elsewhere like on top of the Gabba site or over the cross river rail site or at Vic Park. I personally think having a stadium in Vic Park would activate that area. It would draw in mixed use developers to build around Herston and Kedrob village with more businesses and apartment blocks. As a doctor the impact on the hospital itself will be negligible. The hospital copes through the ekka with minimal disruption. I doubt anything would change with a stadium nearby