Gallucci and Atkins commit until 2020

[1970crow]

To me he is Douggy mark 2.

I thought he looked super in the JLT last year. I have him comfortably ahead of Dougy. His aggression and speed is where he'll leave Dougie behind.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

When we struggle, Lynch is not one of the players that stand up.

Though barely anyone else does either, except for Matt Crouch

And it's not him, it's the style of play.

In minor round games or games we are dominating there is space, we hit up short targets, use '45' kicks through the corridor. Lynch is invaluable in that link role.

Tough finals there is minimal space, scrappy play, hurried kicks. Lynch gets frozen out.

 

[GreyCrow]

I thought he looked super in the JLT last year. I have him comfortably ahead of Dougy. His aggression and speed is where he'll leave Dougie behind.

I agree. I said in the midfield thread I hope there is a transition between Gooch and Douglas. Whether that be Douglas and Gooch alternating between midfield, pine and half forward or Dougie left out. I want to see Gooch play more games or more minutes than Douglas

 

[1970crow]

I agree. I said in the midfield thread I hope there is a transition between Gooch and Douglas. Whether that be Douglas and Gooch alternating between midfield, pine and half forward or Dougie left out. I want to see Gooch play more games or more minutes than Douglas

I'm not sure that Dougie is on the way out just yet. We need more midfield power, not less.

 

[1970crow]

And it's not him, it's the style of play.

In minor round games or games we are dominating there is space, we hit up short targets, use '45' kicks through the corridor. Lynch is invaluable in that link role.

Tough finals there is minimal space, scrappy play, hurried kicks. Lynch gets frozen out.

Like JJ, Lynch is invaluable in turning a five goal win into a 10-12 goal win. As soon as it's a break even game, both these guys become liabilities. I'm becoming more and more convinced that we should replace Lynch with a player who can also run through the stoppage rotation. Bad teams still have numerous good players, neither Lynch or JJ would be any good in a bad team. They're great at maximising wins, but they're non-entities when it comes to setting up the win.

 

[pjcrows]

Like JJ, Lynch is invaluable in turning a five goal win into a 10-12 goal win. As soon as it's a break even game, both these guys become liabilities. I'm becoming more and more convinced that we should replace Lynch with a player who can also run through the stoppage rotation. Bad teams still have numerous good players, neither Lynch or JJ would be any good in a bad team. They're great at maximising wins, but they're non-entities when it comes to setting up the win.

Jenkins yes. But you're massively undervaluing Lynch.

 

[1970crow]

Jenkins yes. But you're massively undervaluing Lynch.

I've posted numerous times before that I'm sitting on the fence with Lynch. He's either a barometer or a downhill skier. But I think I've turned the corner on the principle. Players should be valued based solely upon games that we've lost. For far too long our club has humbled shit opposition and put up the, "all played well, can't change a winning team" banner. If you're a consistently poor performer in losses, but burn when we smoke opposition, then you're a downhill skier. Lynch is likely one if those and JJ certainly is. If we don't address this, Pyke's tenure will fizzle into nothingness like Craig's tenure did.

 

[azza77]

How do we know this to be correct, outside of BF that is ?

I have friends who have very close family ties with the Wigg family. As much as they liked to blow his trumpet mostly, there were a few who would still tell it like it was.

Don't think he rocked up to a single PS in good condition over the course of his time here. Several BF rumors pretty much validated this. The club cant exactly push this 'elite standards' thing and then gift players games who aren't following the message. We've already seen this.

I think it was this year there was a big push in the PS for Wigg to come into the side after a season as a midfielder in the SANFL? But yet he supposedly rocked up for PS in the worst shape they'd seen him. Dont want to knock the kid and all the best to him at GC, I hope he's changed a few things and will give it a serious crack, but to me it didnt sound like he was very professional when it came to his football.

 

[1990crow]

I wonder who we'll target with those dollars as a Plan B?

Gibbs was on the radar for a while. Who's next?

Im hoping Gaff on a wing would look nice and still young too. Plus Sloane could net us someone like Rankine leaving us a chance of getting Lukosius with the melbourne pick (with assistance from 2019 picks, pick 15-18, 20-22) and the option of trading out Jenkins for a mid teens pick (grab Rozee). Regenerate our list whilst still competing for a flag.

Brown ~ Hartigan ~ Doedee
Laird ~ Talia ~ Kelly
Gaff ~ M.Crouch ~ Smith
Jacobs ~ B.Crouch ~ Gibbs
Lynch ~ McGovern ~ Galluci
Betts ~ Walker ~ Fogarty
Greenwood ~ Milera ~ Rankine ~ Atkins

Lukosius, Knight, Rozee, Keath, Obrien, McPherson, Poholke, Hampton, Seedsman, Himmelburg

 

[azza77]

Atkins is 23??? No way. I would have sworn he was 25,26 and as a result didn't think much more upside. Maybe I'm a tad harsh on him then. Should have some improvement left before his prime years.

Was saying to a few of my mates, after this being his second full season at AFL, it's almost as if he had a case second year blues. Was coasting in a good team to an extent, got ahead of himself with the whole blonde hair thing and stagnated or even went backwards a little bit this year.

But as you said he's only 23 still and sounds like he's learnt a bit from last year. Came back to the club and is posting top 5 times at the club for his running, which was never his strong suit so that's definitely encouraging. As he said in his interview this will only be his 2nd full PS if he gets through it.

With the inside midfield unit was have now in Crouch x2, Sloane, Gibbs and Greenwood, Atkins might be a bit of a smoky to have a very good season by his standards and hopefully benefit from being fed the ball by these guys. I was massively critical of where he was at come the end of 2017, but I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.

 

[azza77]

To me he is Douggy mark 2.

Reckon he's got a lot more to work with than what Dougy offers.

ATS I'm hoping/expecting he comes a fair bit better than Dougy. But should play his role though on a HFF rotating into the middle.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I have friends who have very close family ties with the Wigg family. As much as they liked to blow his trumpet mostly, there were a few who would still tell it like it was.

Don't think he rocked up to a single PS in good condition over the course of his time here. Several BF rumors pretty much validated this. The club cant exactly push this 'elite standards' thing and then gift players games who aren't following the message. We've already seen this.

I think it was this year there was a big push in the PS for Wigg to come into the side after a season as a midfielder in the SANFL? But yet he supposedly rocked up for PS in the worst shape they'd seen him. Dont want to knock the kid and all the best to him at GC, I hope he's changed a few things and will give it a serious crack, but to me it didnt sound like he was very professional when it came to his football.

Thanks for that .....disappointing given IIRC he was from a single parent family, doing it tough ......you'd have thought the motivation would have been there, and he was apparently grateful of not going interstate & leaving his Mum ?

It still amazes me that these guys are given an opportunity & then thumb their nose at that opportunity, to set themselves up for life ? ......can't tell me that he didn't get ample warnings & even a fool would know what the outcome of ignoring the warnings will be !

Let me understand this .......would i prefer a job playing sport earning 350K per year......or a job earning $60K that maybe i don't enjoy .....let me think about that ....

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Reckon he's got a lot more to work with than what Dougy offers.

ATS I'm hoping/expecting he comes a fair bit better than Dougy. But should play his role though on a HFF rotating into the middle.

I agree ....think Gallucci looks a clone of Douglas .....but has a few more tricks than Dougy

 

[azza77]

Thanks for that .....disappointing given IIRC he was from a single parent family, doing it tough ......you'd have thought the motivation would have been there, and he was apparently grateful of not going interstate & leaving his Mum ?

It still amazes me that these guys are given an opportunity & then thumb their nose at that opportunity, to set themselves up for life ? ......can't tell me that he didn't get ample warnings & even a fool would know what the outcome of ignoring the warnings will be !

Let me understand this .......would i prefer a job playing sport earning 350K per year......or a job earning $60K that maybe i don't enjoy .....let me think about that ....

Yeah like I said, I dont want to knock the guy as it's not my place what he or anyone else does.

But when you consistently turn up to PS in poor shape, I dont think that sends a very good message. It puts you to the back of the line both in the coaches mind and physically compared to those you're competing against for a spot.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Was saying to a few of my mates, after this being his second full season at AFL, it's almost as if he had a case second year blues. Was coasting in a good team to an extent, got ahead of himself with the whole blonde hair thing and stagnated or even went backwards a little bit this year.

But as you said he's only 23 still and sounds like he's learnt a bit from last year. Came back to the club and is posting top 5 times at the club for his running, which was never his strong suit so that's definitely encouraging. As he said in his interview this will only be his 2nd full PS if he gets through it.

With the inside midfield unit was have now in Crouch x2, Sloane, Gibbs and Greenwood, Atkins might be a bit of a smoky to have a very good season by his standards and hopefully benefit from being fed the ball by these guys. I was massively critical of where he was at come the end of 2017, but I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.

Atkins issue is as a junior he had that natural talent whereby he didn't have to work hard, but still won junior B& F's ......that lack of application saw him turfed from the AFL Academy

If Atkins had gone to a BRIS, CARL, or St KIlda, he'd be out of the AFL system by now ....thankfully he got away from his mates & to a disciplined club .......his development has continued to grow, has a way to go, but it was great that he see's himself wanting to develop his inside game more & spend time in the midfield

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah like I said, I dont want to knock the guy as it's not my place what he or anyone else does.

But when you consistently turn up to PS in poor shape, I dont think that sends a very good message. It puts you to the back of the line both in the coaches mind and physically compared to those you're competing against for a spot.

And yet there was more discussion around Menzel on this issue, than Wigg ? .......both boys suffering from the Ladham syndrome

 

[1970crow]

I have friends who have very close family ties with the Wigg family. As much as they liked to blow his trumpet mostly, there were a few who would still tell it like it was.

Don't think he rocked up to a single PS in good condition over the course of his time here. Several BF rumors pretty much validated this. The club cant exactly push this 'elite standards' thing and then gift players games who aren't following the message. We've already seen this.

I think it was this year there was a big push in the PS for Wigg to come into the side after a season as a midfielder in the SANFL? But yet he supposedly rocked up for PS in the worst shape they'd seen him. Dont want to knock the kid and all the best to him at GC, I hope he's changed a few things and will give it a serious crack, but to me it didnt sound like he was very professional when it came to his football.

Yeh, I see him in the same vein as Grigg, talent, but not maximising it. Both would have been a better option than Thommo late in 2016, but that's not how our club rolls. I can understand how kids can end up disillusioned. Hopefully this is something that has changed recently.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeh, I see him in the same vein as Grigg, talent, but not maximising it. Both would have been a better option than Thommo late in 2016, but that's not how our club rolls. I can understand how kids can end up disillusioned. Hopefully this is something that has changed recently.

They won't get disillusioned if they have given their AFL opportunity everything

 

[1970crow]

Was saying to a few of my mates, after this being his second full season at AFL, it's almost as if he had a case second year blues. Was coasting in a good team to an extent, got ahead of himself with the whole blonde hair thing and stagnated or even went backwards a little bit this year.

But as you said he's only 23 still and sounds like he's learnt a bit from last year. Came back to the club and is posting top 5 times at the club for his running, which was never his strong suit so that's definitely encouraging. As he said in his interview this will only be his 2nd full PS if he gets through it.

With the inside midfield unit was have now in Crouch x2, Sloane, Gibbs and Greenwood, Atkins might be a bit of a smoky to have a very good season by his standards and hopefully benefit from being fed the ball by these guys. I was massively critical of where he was at come the end of 2017, but I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.

Thing with Atkins is that he's great on the inside. We need to play him there much more than we do. But we'd much rather watch Sloane getting tagged to 14 touches by an opposing C+ grade midfielder. Make no mistake, Rat could be a star. It's just that our coaches fall over themselves to get in the way of that happening. Every player, bar Otten and Mackay, are pigeon holed into a singular role. There's no Malcolm Blight genius in our coaching box.

 

[1970crow]

They won't get disillusioned if they have given their AFL opportunity everything

Agree, but you can only knock on the door for so long before you start thinking elsewhere. Not everyone is a Jarryd Lyons. These kids are human, not machines like you and I.

 

[GrommoT]

Im hoping Gaff on a wing would look nice and still young too. Plus Sloane could net us someone like Rankine leaving us a chance of getting Lukosius with the melbourne pick (with assistance from 2019 picks, pick 15-18, 20-22) and the option of trading out Jenkins for a mid teens pick (grab Rozee). Regenerate our list whilst still competing for a flag.

Brown ~ Hartigan ~ Doedee
Laird ~ Talia ~ Kelly
Gaff ~ M.Crouch ~ Smith
Jacobs ~ B.Crouch ~ Gibbs
Lynch ~ McGovern ~ Galluci
Betts ~ Walker ~ Fogarty
Greenwood ~ Milera ~ Rankine ~ Atkins

Lukosius, Knight, Rozee, Keath, Obrien, McPherson, Poholke, Hampton, Seedsman, Himmelburg

Jeeebus! If that happens...

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[Kane McGoodwin]

Jeeebus! If that happens...

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The talk is Gaff wants to return to Melbourne, but you would hope we are in his manager's ear.

 

[Scorpus]

Every player, bar Otten and Mackay, are pigeon holed into a singular role.

It's a shame some of our least capable players are flagged as 'versatile' while truly versatile players like Sloane, Douglas and Brown are locked to one role.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

It's a shame some of our least capable players are flagged as 'versatile' while truly versatile players like Sloane, Douglas and Brown are locked to one role.

There's two types of versatility

A player who can be damaging in a number of different roles

Versus

A player who is easily covered and won't be missed if moved from their role

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's a shame some of our least capable players are flagged as 'versatile' while truly versatile players like Sloane, Douglas and Brown are locked to one role.

Has Brown shown he can be more than a defender? I'm not convinced he could become a midfielder & don't see the need. Would like him to get more of the ball when not locking down on a dangerous forward.

With Gibbs' inclusion, we should look to use Sloane more in other roles, including up forward & across HB. Helps manage his workload & give us more flexibility to mix things up.