GC & Carlton Given Priority Access to State League Players

[LemmingMaster]

Options that came to mind if we're looking.

Noah Answerth -
Oscar Chapman
Laitham Vandermeer
Mathew McGannon
Luke Foley

Those are some solid older players worth considering.

Foley > Vandermeer > Answerth > Chapman > McGannon

That would be my rough order and I would be gunning for Foley super hard.

 

[Juddernaut08]

No they didn't, but they never stooped so low as to cry to the NFL asking for help. Pathetic organisations

Cmon mate, if youre going to troll at least make sense lmao. You are an embarrassment.

 

[PostPaolo]

I don't see Cleveland Browns getting some special assistance after going 1-31 in the last 2 years. How about AFL relegates these pathetic clubs?

I bet you didnt complain when the Eagles got a priority pick that landed them Chris Judd?

No seriously, West Coast missed back to back final series for the first time in their history losing 7 and 5 games and landed one of the best mids of the 2000s. After making the finals for the entirety of the 1990s.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I bet you didnt complain when the Eagles got a priority pick that landed them Chris Judd?

No seriously, West Coast missed back to back final series for the first time in their history losing 7 and 5 games and landed one of the best mids of the 2000s. After making the finals for the entirety of the 1990s.

Best mids ever dude. Cmon now.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Under a games based criteria that the AFL was forced to hand out, Melbourne and Brisbane are the only ones to get anything since the AFL changed it to "whatever we feel like" rules.

CORRECT

Kindly provide evidence that Melbourne has received a priority pick since the rule change. I won't hold my breath....

 

[davis_756]

Kindly provide evidence that Melbourne has received a priority pick since the rule change. I won't hold my breath....

Frawley, it wasn't officially but it was one none the less.

 

[NorthernLights]

Nothing but charity

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Kindly provide evidence that Melbourne has received a priority pick since the rule change. I won't hold my breath....

premiership coaches don't count as priority picks so you're technically correct

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

I bet you didnt complain when the Eagles got a priority pick that landed them Chris Judd?

No seriously, West Coast missed back to back final series for the first time in their history losing 7 and 5 games and landed one of the best mids of the 2000s. After making the finals for the entirety of the 1990s.

or jack darling or lukey shuey

 

[gbatman]

Brisbane seem to be doing it right. They need to look at their own backyard to work out what they want to do to get better.

System is fine
Two massive premiership droughts have been broken in the past two years
Seven different teams have competed in the last four Grand Finals. This is the third year in a row that different teams have played off. Even with the dominance of Hawthorn and Geelong, Ten different teams have played off in Grand Finals in the last ten years.
Carlton got Dale Thomas for free and Sydney got Lance Franklin for free. Collingwood got Mayne and Wells for free. Its not a recipe for guaranteed success. How many top line free agents have actually played in a premiership?

Brisbane have been down the very bottom for 9 years and only won 5 games this season. Improvement has been minor. They are not going alright. They will probably add a 10th consecutive year without a finals appearance next season.

Seems the AFL want the bottom teams to stay down the bottom for long periods and to go through very slow rebuilds. Their actions and decisions only suggest that is what they want. Why else would Carlton and GCS be denied a PP? The only thing doing this is making sure these clubs are less competitive next season and take longer to rebuild. It's a disgrace.

Premiership droughts. Perhaps we would not have so many premiership droughts if the system was not broken...

Why should it take 7-10 years plus for very bottom clubs to climb back up?

I just don't get it. The AFL have acted like giving Carlton and The GCS a priority pick would be giving them the next 5 premierships when in fact all it will do is add to their incremental improvement and competitiveness.

If you count players who were forced trades, those players who were free agents or free agents in a year or so which allows the players to force a trade, then quite a few have become key players in premierships. Most free agents don't go as free agents, clubs get wind the player wants to go as a FA so they make a trade because most of the time the club gets a better deal by trading than by compensation.

Carlton and Sydney they weren't bottom sides as such when getting those free agents. Thomas had lost his status as a gun player by then and has mostly performed accordingly. Swans were a top side.

Suggesting the system is not broken is burying your head in the sand and ignoring the facts. Top clubs can just stay up the top indefinitely through gradual restocking programs which has been made a lot easier by having more interstate teams where good talent want to leave and free agency and free agency pressure.

Bottom sides have lost the priority pick, can not access good players through the preseason draft because clubs just don't anymore, picks are far greater apart, was 16 apart now it's 18. Your picks get incrementally worse and you generally lose a pick. There's nowhere near the talent in state leagues now that GWS and GCS have entered the comp and those 88 odd players that were previously state listed are now AFL listed. Bottom clubs have lost resources and top clubs have gained resources the last few years and everyone is just sticking their heads in the sand over it.

All the AFL have done by denying a PP is showing they want these clubs to stay down there and not to get back up for a good while yet. A PP wouldn't see Carlton and GCS go forward and dominate, it would see them take bigger steps towards being competitive and playing finals sooner rather than later.

The AFL are a weakly led disgrace who are more likely to listen to whinging fans, club officials and media people than do what's right and take into consideration their actions and consequences. Heads so far buried up their arse that they can't see there is a problem. They can't see that the changes made since the new teams and free agency have screwed up the whole balance of things.

Carlton, Brisbane, GCS etc. These teams might get there in the end and even if they do everything perfectly, it might be 7-10 years before they play finals. That is a broken system.

A system that takes a year or two off that. That is a system which works but there's stuff all chance the AFL will recognise the problem and stuff all chance they will do something about it.

As for state league compensation, these clubs don't need mature age b or c grade talent, they already have that, that's the problem, the diamonds in the rough rarely come along, especially these days. it's not 1988 anymore. Hell, it's not 2010 anymore. The AFL commission's decision to give these club such a thing and expect it to help just goes to show they are incredibly out of touch.

I'd rather a end of second round pick than this state pick garbage. Maybe that could be traded for a mature age player who is good enough to be on an AFL list...

 

[PP34]

Dees have found Fritsch and Vandenberg in recent times but without a core nucleus of talent these players would be worthless. Still can’t fathom why Carlton didn’t get a PP when past clubs have.

Guessing McGovern is unlikely now?

Yeah I don't doubt that there's some talent out there, it's just whether or not those sort of players would have those sorts of impacts at Carlton and the Gold Coast. Personally I doubt it

 

[Juddernaut08]

Brisbane have been down the very bottom for 9 years and only won 5 games this season. Improvement has been minor. They are not going alright. They will probably add a 10th consecutive year without a finals appearance next season.

Seems the AFL want the bottom teams to stay down the bottom for long periods and to go through very slow rebuilds. Their actions and decisions only suggest that is what they want. Why else would Carlton and GCS be denied a PP? The only thing doing this is making sure these clubs are less competitive next season and take longer to rebuild. It's a disgrace.

Premiership droughts. Perhaps we would not have so many premiership droughts if the system was not broken...

Why should it take 7-10 years plus for very bottom clubs to climb back up?

I just don't get it. The AFL have acted like giving Carlton and The GCS a priority pick would be giving them the next 5 premierships when in fact all it will do is add to their incremental improvement and competitiveness.

If you count players who were forced trades, those players who were free agents or free agents in a year or so which allows the players to force a trade, then quite a few have become key players in premierships. Most free agents don't go as free agents, clubs get wind the player wants to go as a FA so they make a trade because most of the time the club gets a better deal by trading than by compensation.

Carlton and Sydney they weren't bottom sides as such when getting those free agents. Thomas had lost his status as a gun player by then and has mostly performed accordingly. Swans were a top side.

Suggesting the system is not broken is burying your head in the sand and ignoring the facts. Top clubs can just stay up the top indefinitely through gradual restocking programs which has been made a lot easier by having more interstate teams where good talent want to leave and free agency and free agency pressure.

Bottom sides have lost the priority pick, can not access good players through the preseason draft because clubs just don't anymore, picks are far greater apart, was 16 apart now it's 18. Your picks get incrementally worse and you generally lose a pick. There's nowhere near the talent in state leagues now that GWS and GCS have entered the comp and those 88 odd players that were previously state listed are now AFL listed. Bottom clubs have lost resources and top clubs have gained resources the last few years and everyone is just sticking their heads in the sand over it.

All the AFL have done by denying a PP is showing they want these clubs to stay down there and not to get back up for a good while yet. A PP wouldn't see Carlton and GCS go forward and dominate, it would see them take bigger steps towards being competitive and playing finals sooner rather than later.

The AFL are a weakly led disgrace who are more likely to listen to whinging fans, club officials and media people than do what's right and take into consideration their actions and consequences. Heads so far buried up their arse that they can't see there is a problem. They can't see that the changes made since the new teams and free agency have screwed up the whole balance of things.

Carlton, Brisbane, GCS etc. These teams might get there in the end and even if they do everything perfectly, it might be 7-10 years before they play finals. That is a broken system.

A system that takes a year or two off that. That is a system which works but there's stuff all chance the AFL will recognise the problem and stuff all chance they will do something about it.

As for state league compensation, these clubs don't need mature age b or c grade talent, they already have that, that's the problem, the diamonds in the rough rarely come along, especially these days. it's not 1988 anymore. Hell, it's not 2010 anymore. The AFL commission's decision to give these club such a thing and expect it to help just goes to show they are incredibly out of touch.

I'd rather a end of second round pick than this state pick garbage. Maybe that could be traded for a mature age player who is good enough to be on an AFL list...

FA has essentially rendered the PSD ineffective. Very interesting.

 

[Dave]

Agreed.

Was a horrible decision by the AFL.

That’s nice dear.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Premiership droughts. Perhaps we would not have so many premiership droughts if the system was not broken...

Why should it take 7-10 years plus for very bottom clubs to climb back up?...

If you cant agree that the Dogs and Tigers winning the premiership isnt a sign that the system isnt broken then theres nothing I can do for you. The Saints have also been desperately unlucky twice and the Dockers have played in their first Grand Final recently.

Carlton have been a very bottom club for only four years and have played finals in the 7-10 year time zone mentioned. Paying the price for mistakes made under the Malthouse era and now rebuilding.

Gold Coast are a different story and as I said all they need to do is look 20 kms north to see how some decent culture and a good coach can lead to the first level of success, which is player development leading to player retention. Their problems are far greater than what a priority pick can provide.

 

[Dave]

You cheated and as a result got a dozen state league players and pick #1 for your troubles

Got a dozen state league players.

Bahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[Monkey King]

I just hate the arbitrariness of it all. Teams have got PP's before in the past for winning more games than the Blues did this year (so either they shouldn't have got it or the Blues have been screwed over) and now the AFL has made up a rule and applied it on the fly.

It’s a stupid system that needs to either be dispensed with, or the decision makers be held accountable. This on the fly crap is way too susceptible to error, bias and outright manipulation.

I honestly wish my club would publically tell the AFL to shove their stupid ‘assistance’ package up their its and let it be known in no uncertain terms, that should the AFL even hint at handing out another PP in the future, there’s gonna be an injunction taken out and they’d better have a compelling legal argument for its comparative legitimacy.

 

[TooBlue14]

No they didn't, but they never stooped so low as to cry to the NFL asking for help. Pathetic organisations

You’re seriously showing your intelligence now. Read some news. Carlton said no. Repeatedly. Until the media got involved. They stated Carlton would be stupid not to ask for one. Everyone on here started shouting the same rubbish. We still said no. The season comes to a close Gil got on the media and said we will offer Carlton a priority pick but only if they ask. Of course we fell for it. We asked. They said **** off. Now we have you.

 

[TooBlue14]

Got a dozen state league players.

Bahahahahahahahahaha.

it was 20 for your information.
Clint Jones
Jared Petrenko
James Magner
Aaron Heppel
Marcus Marigliani
James Polkinghorne
Josh Freezer
Anthony Tipungwuti
Jordon Schroder
James Tagliablue
Mitch Brown
Mitch Clisby
Sam Michael
Matthew Stokes
James Kelly
Ryan Crowley
Jonathon Simpkin
Mark Jamar
Sam Grimley
Matt Dea

Arguably some of these were just for the Preseason cup but atleast you got to look at them and decide which ones youd like to play.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...yers-all-the-key-numbers-20150305-13vr54.html

 

[blackshadow]

Clearly you don't pay attention either. Can you share a reference to carlton asking for more.

Carlton applied for a priority pick.

That's asking for more whatever way you slice it.

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[jooce8891]

I couldnt give a toss if you do or dont..

clearly you do

 

[Dave]

it was 20 for your information.

......
Arguably some of these were just for the Preseason cup but atleast you got to look at them and decide which ones youd like to play.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...yers-all-the-key-numbers-20150305-13vr54.html

And all of them were available to any club come the end of the season, we had no ongoing rights to any of them.

 

[jooce8891]

I don't see Cleveland Browns getting some special assistance after going 1-31 in the last 2 years. How about AFL relegates these pathetic clubs?

you do know shuey and darling are both priority picks?

 

[gbatman]

If you cant agree that the Dogs and Tigers winning the premiership isnt a sign that the system isnt broken then theres nothing I can do for you. The Saints have also been desperately unlucky twice and the Dockers have played in their first Grand Final recently.

Carlton have been a very bottom club for only four years and have played finals in the 7-10 year time zone mentioned. Paying the price for mistakes made under the Malthouse era and now rebuilding.

Gold Coast are a different story and as I said all they need to do is look 20 kms north to see how some decent culture and a good coach can lead to the first level of success, which is player development leading to player retention. Their problems are far greater than what a priority pick can provide.

It's a sign it is broken, how long were those teams so bloody bad for? And they rebuilt under the old system anyway so that's irrelevant, most of their players came in at a time when it was a 16 team system with priority picks and prior to free agency when the system was actually balanced.

Carlton have not played finals since 2013 and have been terrible ever since, they haven't finished above 8 since 2011. They have mostly been very bottom.

Carlton are paying the price for mistakes made since the John Elliott era. That does not mean they should not have a chance to rebuild in an adequate time frame.

Just as any other club such as Essendon etc who have paid the price for mistakes.

Brisbane, as I said are a long LONG time very bottom side and winning 5 games this season, despite that being an improvement is by no means a positive example to follow. Brisbane received a priority pick for what it's worth.

You're using a team that has been bottom of the ladder for 10 years and just had a 5 win season as an example of the system being fine. You're using two teams who built a lot of their list under the old system and won flags as an example. Think about this. You're using teams who have been without success for decades as an example of a supposedly working equalisation system... Think about that for a moment.

If you're down and really down, for some reason the AFL want you to stay there and that is they system that they have in place.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

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If you're down and really down, for some reason the AFL want you to stay there and that is they system that they have in place.

Thats rubbish. Its just Carltons turn and due to the Malthouse disaster of their own making they will have to wait a bit longer. Blaming their situation on Elliott is ridiculous....it was 17 seasons ago. The only genuine problem that the AFL has right now is the Gold Coast Suns and that is a far greater issue than just giving them a PP. Carlton will get their own house in order.

The competition is as even as it has ever been, as seven different Grand Finallists in the past four years attests.

 

[Gethelred]

Bahahahahaha.

The club that finished last getting the first pick = the AFL engineering an outcome.

...

Probably not really somewhere you want to go in here, mate.