lol, so you think Hawthorn v Geelong games are always going to be competitive, into perpetuity?
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Geelong v Hawthorn. Time to move it to ANZAC Day
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lol, so you think Hawthorn v Geelong games are always going to be competitive, into perpetuity?
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Yes Lance, forever and ever and ever
Bookmark this. Hawthorn v Geelong will have a higher attendance this week than Essendon v Carlton.
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Absolute rubbish mate. Essendon and Collingwood invented the ANZAC day match. No other team did.
It's a tradition that won't change.
Deal with it and get over it.
Worry about your own sad team before you worry about ours thanks.
Yes Lance, forever and ever and ever
Bookmark this. Hawthorn v Geelong will have a higher attendance this week than Essendon v Carlton.
really? I bet you they don't. Will be interesting to see, but I am very confident the attendance at Ess Carl will be well in excess of Haw Gee
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We shall see.
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Don't get too sooky mate.
Your pathetic team only beat us for the first time in what 6 years?
Hawks v Geelong far more opitimises ANZAC day IMHO.
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And yet the crowd figures he was quoting were from this year.
The Hawthorn/Geelong rivalry might be "without peer" at the moment, but nobody gave a shit about it when both teams were mid-table early in the decade. Pairing two of Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton and Richmond always draws a big crowd, regardless of ladder position, hence why those teams are more suited to the holiday blockbusters than this rivalry is.
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Yes Lance, forever and ever and ever
Bookmark this. Hawthorn v Geelong will have a higher attendance this week than Essendon v Carlton.
Not a chance.
problem solved.
QFT.
As recently as 2007, the Hawthorn / Geelong fixture was so highly regarded that they played a game in Tasmania. In 2006, their two games drew 28.2k at Ethihad and 24.0k at Skilled Stadium.
The clash may be hot right now but when the two clubs are ordinary it will no longer be a must see match. Only a few years ago West Coast vs Sydney was the very definition of rivalry, now it's practically irrelevant. The ANZAC Day game at the moment is a huge spectacle but will it be regarded so highly when 30k supporters turn up to see Geelong vs Hawthorn in 2017? At least we know that Essendon and Collingwood can sell the stadium out regardless of form.
I have been to several high drawing games in my life at the 'G', and remain to this day amazed that given i had to walk firstly from the Ponsford area due to it being chockers, to the Olympic stand area which was also chockers, then all the way back to the Member's top deck (by which stage was opened to the public) and find a seat in a full area eventually that the Easter Monday crowd was merely 78K. Given you could barely see empty seats anywhere in the top decks of all the stands that surely was well over 85K in my honest opinion. I'd like to think a few Hawk fans may also concur, i'd loved to have seen where a further 20K would fit in that context. You could hardly move that day in the crowd.
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See that is where the problems lie. You need Geelong and Hawthorn to play a grand final and 6 great games straight to generate some interest, whereas Essendon vs Carlton still generates some passion and rivalry despite some one-sided contests. Once the great contests stop, so does the rivalry, but Essendon vs Carlton vs Collingwood vs Richmond (despite being bad for 30 years) will always generate some rivalry. In fact, Richmond vs Carlton is a much greater rivalry then Hawthorn vs Geelong. Still generates 60,000+ despite some 12 goal+ thrashes in recent years.
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Any other teams can play whatever they want on ANZAC Day. However we get the MCG.
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Yep, and the AFL has confirmed this will be the case for a long time to come.
Maybe the Hawks/Cats can play ANZAC day eve each year, also at the MCG, you could have two 90K + crowds within 24 hours that way.
HAD there is no way your team on a Friday night will outdraw mine on a Sunday day. What do you want to wager on it?
When they play in round 1
The last 7 Hawthorn/Geelong home and away games between the clubs have drawn an average of over 71,000 (86k maximum, 63k minimum)
I challenge you to find a similar fixture that has drawn with such consistency...but hey they drew 28k in 2006 so those numbers are redundant (notwithstanding the number of 30k Essendon/Carlton/Richmond games during this time)
Essendon V Richmond rivalry WTF?
No they can't
In spite of ground capacity restrictions the ANZAC Day games in 2004-05 drew several thousand lower than the stadium capacity
I very much doubt that a Hawthorn/Geelong would draw 30,000 at the MCG given that the average Hawthorn/Geelong match at the MCG for a home and away game is over 64,000
2000 39,116
2002 38,709
2008 86,179
2009 69,526, 64,356
2010 68,628, 69,220
2011 78,579, 63,476
Average: 64,198
Attendances for 2011
Hawthorn/Geelong
Rd 5 78,579
Rd 12 63,479
Average: 71,029
Essendon/Carlton
Rd 3 78,065
Rd 18 74,123
Average: 76,095
The largest Hawthorn/Geelong fixture actually outdrew Essendon/Carlton...notwithstanding the Elimination Final could well marginally outdraw the best game of the weekend
Just for context we probably should compare TV ratings as well, which Hawthorn/Geelong will win easily, given the importance of ratings to the fixture
Hawthorn/Collingwood got 84,000 on a rotten Sunday Afternoon
The reasoning for the lower than expected Geelong/Hawthorn attendance (which was 13k lower than the MCC expectation) was the night game impact on the Geelong attendance (hence the lack of Geelong support and the push by the AFL to schedule Geelong finals during the day)
Also where is the definative evidence that 85,000 is an expected norm for Richmond, Essendon and Carlton games...
FFS the infamous Essendon-Carlton 1999 Preliminary final only pulled 81,000
Surely you're not trying to compare the significance of a meaningless Elimination final to THE final of week 1
I've heard delusion and I've seen delusional
Does it?
In 2011
Essendon V Richmond 55,442
Carlton V Richmond 60,654
Carlton V Richmond 59,660
Collingwood V Richmond 58,050
All drew lower than the lowest Hawthorn/Geelong game since 2008 (and lower than the average home and away Hawthorn/Geelong game at the MCG)
Stretch to include 2010
Carlton V Richmond 44,710
Carlton V Essendon 57,095
Stretch to include 2009
Carlton V Richmond 50,784
Essendon V Richmond 47,412
etc. etc.
Notwithstanding a number of games were excluded but would be included assuming the pre 2011 low of 64.6k
Why do posters continually ignore the facts, is it ignorance?
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crowds for anzac day are now irrelevant, if you've been to one in the last 5 years it's exactly the same as a gf, full of corporates.cthe afl is rewarding 2 clubs that came up with an idea that would generate extra revenue for the league ( i think the revenue generated for the afl is around the same for the gf). so the fact is until the afl stop making sh!t loads from the day it will stay as is, regardless of any 'new super rivalry'.
and please nobody comment on the fact that footy was always played on anzac day so it wasnt a new idea. the 2 clubs aproached the rsl and then the afl and asked if they could make it a commemorative day with the oz defence force, hence all the pre match and the reason everyone, not just the supporters of the 2 clubs got behind it.
and please nobody comment on the fact that footy was always played on anzac day so it wasnt a new idea. the 2 clubs aproached the rsl and then the afl and asked if they could make it a commemorative day with the oz defence force, hence all the pre match and the reason everyone, not just the supporters of the 2 clubs got behind it.
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WTF?
What was that about facts and ignorance?? One game was at Etihad and the other at the MCG!! The Etihad game was a sell-out, only Medallion club members didn't turn up.
You bleat on about facts, then serve up this ignorant shit
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