Geelong v Hawthorn. Time to move it to ANZAC Day

[Hawkk]

v Geelong, Geelong have had a great rivalry with St.Kilda and also Collingwood over the last couple of years.....but is it only Hawthorn that counts?

2009 aside, St Kilda and Geelong have a rivalry?

These 'rivalries' bob up all the time...ie Port v Bris in 01-04, Coll v Bris in 02-04, Syd v WC in 05-07..........no surprises it was based around finals and GFs.

Aside from Coll V Bris (you can make an argument for the Fitzroy link) none of these rivalries had historical links to launch from

Coll v Carl get 80K+ and they aint even played in a final for what....more than 20years......if they meet each other in the next couple of years people will realise what a proper rivalry is all about!!

Its probably the biggest rivalry in the game, but to suggest it always draws 80k+ is fanciful

 

[Lord Nicholson]

Its probably the biggest rivalry in the game, but to suggest it always draws 80k+ is fanciful

R3, '11 - 88K

R6, '10 - 80K
R18, '10 - 76K

R6, '09 - 82K
R17, '09 - 84K

R4, '08 - 77K
R12, '08 - 80K

R7, '07 - 77K

Not wildly off-base.

 

[Darroj_6]

Geelong vs Hawthorn, the great modern rivals, only managed 78 thousand on easter tuesday this year despite both being top three teams, compare that to Collingwood vs Melbourne on Monday who drew 76 thousand despite one side being up the top and one being a mid to bottom level team, in a rivalry that hasnt truly existed since the 1950s.

As well as this only one of Hawthorn and Geelongs last six meetings have drew 70000 plus.

If the AFL wants an ANZAC day game that might scrape up to 80000 people they should totally give it to Hawthorn vs Geelong

 

[Hawkk]

Geelong vs Hawthorn, the great modern rivals, only managed 78 thousand on easter tuesday this year despite both being top three teams

Right...just like the top of the table Collingwood and Geelong only managed another 2000 4 weeks on...

compare that to Collingwood vs Melbourne on Monday who drew 76 thousand despite one side being up the top and one being a mid to bottom level team, in a rivalry that hasnt truly existed since the 1950s.

The same rivalry that drew 50,000 in round 2 last season?

As well as this only one of Hawthorn and Geelongs last six meetings have drew 70000 plus.

Yet you fail to mention that 3 of those 6 drew over 68,000 (the other 2 being 64.5k and 63.4k)

If the AFL wants an ANZAC day game that might scrape up to 80000 people they should totally give it to Hawthorn vs Geelong

Considering Essendon-Collingwood drew 59.5k last year...

 

[Darroj_6]

Yes Hawkk, Geelong and Collingwood only drew two thousand more than Geelong and Hawthorn but that was on a night with no parking at the ground on a five degree raining night as opposed to Geelong-Hawthorn on a warm public holiday.

And Essendon and Collingwood drew 59.5 thousand last year, again only more than 4000 more than Saturday nights games despite essendon being absolutely woeful at that point last year and Hawthorn-Geelong sat 1st and 3rd on the ladder going into Saturday nights game.

 

[Cursed Cat]

2009 aside, St Kilda and Geelong have a rivalry?

Aside from Coll V Bris (you can make an argument for the Fitzroy link) none of these rivalries had historical links to launch from


Its probably the biggest rivalry in the game, but to suggest it always draws 80k+ is fanciful

about as big as the Hawthorn/Geelong rivalry - played each other 3 times in finals since '07, few big H&A games, a bit of lip off-field (Chappy, suprise)

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

The same rivalry that drew 50,000 in round 2 last season?

Burn

 

[clobba]

Yeah <yawn> because it will always be good and I know I specifically go out of my way to watch Collingwood vs Essendon (LMFAO because who dont watch em because dey iz powerhouse clubs so itz gotta be gud rite? <poor spelling attributed to conveying the excitement that is these 2 clubs regardless of opponents...well for those that care anyway) so 2 teams that have "recently" had close games matters to me so much due to the totally unacheivably high levels of play (and even if you dont think they always end up being as "exciting" as Hawk vs Saints games <its been close we gotta care right?!> they do quite often end up low scoring tight games, cant rememeber why these are more exciting than Saints "borefests" vs these team but apparently they ARE!) they consistantly give...

 

[clobba]

Must just be me as blockbuster games sell it apparently and WE ALL CARE about your clubs...have to say if your teams going shit you can call it a blockbuster all you want but as a Victorian I translate Blockbuster to mean "the game we expect huge ratings <though competitiveness/talent we cant comment on> for regardless of teams skills as they are the BIG X!" <insert inverse of club insecuritie here> and are generally vs Collingwood (though you retain the rights to bitch about the Pies draw AFTER your game vs em).

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Huh?

 

[GordonGecko]

Hawthorn win a Bradbury premiership 4 years ago and all of a sudden we change years of tradition?

Please.

About as stupid as saying Sydney and West Coast should have played every Anzac day during the their great rivalry years.

Essendon and Collingwood until the world ends for me.

 

[doppleganger]

2009 aside, St Kilda and Geelong have a rivalry?

A rivalry is where you always want to beat that team....ie the fixture comes out and you look for when Collingwood play Carlton...no matter where the team is on the ladder.

As the Geelong supporter posted earlier, there have prob been a dozen years early 60s, late 80s and since 2008 where Hawthorn and Geelong games have generated that kind of interest.

So for 12 out of Geelong's 114 years in the VFL/AFL there supporters have been interested in beating Hawthorn....yet you Hawthorn fans are trying to make out it is some massive rivalry with decades of history....

Arguable that in 2010-11 Geelong's game with St.Kilda was of more relevance to them (the whole Baker v Johnson episode, the non in the back in the QF etc, then rd 1 this year Geelong stealing it at the death)

If you actually believe that in 1984 a Hawthorn fan really wanted to beat Geelong, that in 1995 all Geelong supporters locked in on the game v Hawthorn as the must win for the year......then you are dreamin!!

It is a lil spot fire, just like Pies v Bris, Syd v WC that popped up because of a GF.....when one team drops off it will die again.

 

[tazhawk]

Hawthorn win a Bradbury premiership 4 years ago and all of a sudden we change years of tradition?

So if Freo ever finish second on the ladder with a 20 win 5 loss season.

Then go on to beat the team that finished 3rd by 10 goals then the team that finished 4th by 10 goals.

Then beat the team everyone thought was unbeatable.

You will regard it as a fluke.

With your man crush on Judd and now this rubbish its no wonder people think you are a Flog.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

A rivalry is where you always want to beat that team....ie the fixture comes out and you look for when Collingwood play Carlton...no matter where the team is on the ladder.

As the Geelong supporter posted earlier, there have prob been a dozen years early 60s, late 80s and since 2008 where Hawthorn and Geelong games have generated that kind of interest.

So for 12 out of Geelong's 114 years in the VFL/AFL there supporters have been interested in beating Hawthorn....yet you Hawthorn fans are trying to make out it is some massive rivalry with decades of history....

Arguable that in 2010-11 Geelong's game with St.Kilda was of more relevance to them (the whole Baker v Johnson episode, the non in the back in the QF etc, then rd 1 this year Geelong stealing it at the death)

If you actually believe that in 1984 a Hawthorn fan really wanted to beat Geelong, that in 1995 all Geelong supporters locked in on the game v Hawthorn as the must win for the year......then you are dreamin!!

It is a lil spot fire, just like Pies v Bris, Syd v WC that popped up because of a GF.....when one team drops off it will die again.

As remarked by many commentators recently in an Essendon v Carlton game last year was no effort from the players. The players don't care.

ANZAC day is the same. I have seen Essendon give up 15 mnutes into the game a few times the last 5 years. Nobody cares about these rivalries anymore boss, not even the players.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

So if Freo ever finish second on the ladder with a 20 win 5 loss season.

Then go on to beat the team that finished 3rd by 10 goals then the team that finished 4th by 10 goals.

Then beat the team everyone thought was unbeatable.

You will regard it as a fluke.

With your man crush on Judd and now this rubbish its no wonder people think you are a Flog.

Leave GordonGecko alone. He tries so, so, so hard when it comes to Hawthorn. Even though he even fails at trolling, we'll give him a few points for effort

 

[Air_Chester]

State of this thread.

 

[GordonGecko]

So if Freo ever finish second on the ladder with a 20 win 5 loss season.

Then go on to beat the team that finished 3rd by 10 goals then the team that finished 4th by 10 goals.

Then beat the team everyone thought was unbeatable.

You will regard it as a fluke.

With your man crush on Judd and now this rubbish its no wonder people think you are a Flog.

Not sure why you're bringing a champion like Judd into a debate over fixturing?

Perhaps it harks back to the dreadful decison to take Hodge before him, who knows.

The first part of your post was bizarre.

I just dont see the point of moving a fixture which is looked forward to each year by millions on the back of a fleeting modern rivalry.

Do we move a historic fixture every time two teams embark on a 8 -12 game streak where the scores are tight?

Just seems an absurd idea. Knee jerk to the extreme.

 

[doppleganger]

Considering Essendon-Collingwood drew 59.5k last year...

The Essendon fans had given up......their crowds for the end of the season were terrible in rd 21 and rd 22 just 28K and 26K rocked up to the dons last two games......so 59.5K is a pretty fair difference.

Considering that Hawthorn played Geelong at York Park in 2007 in front of a crowd of just 17K.....if Geelong are some massive rival why would you play them in Tassie??

 

[doppleganger]

As remarked by many commentators recently in an Essendon v Carlton game last year was no effort from the players. The players don't care.

ANZAC day is the same. I have seen Essendon give up 15 mnutes into the game a few times the last 5 years. Nobody cares about these rivalries anymore boss, not even the players.

Did you not watch 2009??

This year was also a great game until we kicked away at the end....The 2010 game was a shocker, but big deal Collingwood smashed plenty of teams in 2010 and have done so again this year.

Sure it would be great if Hawthorn played Geelong on a public holiday in 2011 to take advantage of the current feeling between the sides...hey they did!!

But in 2013, when either or both are struggling will Hawthorn look to play the game in Tassie again??

 

[tazhawk]

The first part of your post was bizarre.

Was responding to your Flog post about the 08 GF.

I noticed you never addressed that.

Tell me do you think a team that finishes second on the ladder with a 20 win 5 loss season.

Then beats the teams that finished 3rd by ten goals then the team that finished 4th by ten goals.

Then goes on to comprehensibly beat the red hot favorites (do some Hawks V Geelong Finals research) Hawks were always going to win

If Freo did this you would consider this a fluke?

 

[GordonGecko]

Was responding to your Flog post about the 08 GF.

I noticed you never addressed that.

Tell me do you think a team that finishes second on the ladder with a 20 win 5 loss season.

Then beats the teams that finished 3rd by ten goals then the team that finished 4th by ten goals.

Then goes on to comprehensibly beat the red hot favorites (do some Hawks V Geelong Finals research) Hawks were always going to win

If Freo did this you would consider this a fluke?

Geelong were clearly the best team from 2007-2009, they stumbled, like those infront of Bradbury, in 2008.

 

[David the Cat]

Geelong were clearly the best team from 2007-2009, they stumbled, like those infront of Bradbury, in 2008.

Forget tazhawk Gordon..he's an idiot.

 

[gaelictiogar]

As opposed to the Blues/Bombers whose rivalry is based on who could cheat the salary cap the most

Whatever we can say about various rivalries no club, no club at all, has the wood on the Tankers in the cheating and lying compartment. Essendon are salary cap cheats but Carlton are the cheats par excellence, the uber cheats, the masters. No one an compete. with Cheaton in what it does best....cheating.

 

[tazhawk]

Geelong were clearly the best team from 2007-2009, they stumbled, like those infront of Bradbury, in 2008.

Still avoiding the question.

How gutless.

Will ask the question one more time.

If Freo ever finished 2nd with a 20 win 5 loss season.

Then beat the teams that finished 3rd by 10 goals then the team that finished 4th by 10 goals.

Then won the Grand Final comfortably.

You would consider it a fluke?

Try not to be a gutless twerp and answer the question.

 

[stui magpie]

Personally I'm more than happy for the Hawks and Cats to have the Queens Birthday. Far more appropriate than Anzac day.