Banter Geelong V Richmond - GO!

[Wosh]

In the interests of keeping your back and forth shite fights out of match threads so normal people can talk.

Keep it clean and above the shorts
Off topic rubbish clogging up match threads will be moved here, knock yourselves out.

 

[tiger_tough]

Hi guys.

 

[Username Anthony]

So we are on the same amount as you, then, except we beat Port Adelaide, who won a flag 3 years earlier

So what, one flag does not make a minor dynasty.

and Collingwood who won one a year earlier.

One flag does not make a minor dynasty, you know this. A minor dynasty is 4 flags (with no b2b) in 18 seasons.

5 flags in 14 seasons is your proper dynasty.

Remind me which dynasty teams Brisbane beat during their run, by the way.

None.

You beat Adelaide who hadn’t played a grand final in 20 years

And how long did we not play in one?

GWS who didn’t exist until 7 years prior

But they beat Collingwood at the MCG in a PF after Collingwood beat us the season before when we had the flu. If they could beat Collingwood, why not us?

and us

That's the one that was never in doubt I'll give you that.

 

[PhatBoy]

So what, one flag does not make a minor dynasty.

One flag does not make a minor dynasty, you know this. A minor dynasty is 4 flags (with no b2b) in 18 seasons.

5 flags in 14 seasons is your proper dynasty.

None.

And how long did we not play in one?

But they beat Collingwood at the MCG in a PF after Collingwood beat us the season before when we had the flu. If they could beat Collingwood, why not us?

That's the one that was never in doubt I'll give you that.

So in other words you had no point to make.

Well done again.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

So what, one flag does not make a minor dynasty.

One flag does not make a minor dynasty, you know this. A minor dynasty is 4 flags (with no b2b) in 18 seasons.

5 flags in 14 seasons is your proper dynasty.

None.

And how long did we not play in one?

But they beat Collingwood at the MCG in a PF after Collingwood beat us the season before when we had the flu. If they could beat Collingwood, why not us?

That's the one that was never in doubt I'll give you that.

“we had the flu”. Wahhhhhhh!

 

[Username Anthony]

Would've won the flag last year if it wasn't in place.

You mean if we didn't have injuries?

The Tigers dropping off was definitely nothing to do with Dusty, Reiwoldt, Cotchin, Lynch, Grimes, Edwards

we only needed one of those players to beat Sydney after they had already beaten the reigning premier at the 'G.

 

[Username Anthony]

“we had the flu”. Wahhhhhhh!

Remember, it's not an excuse, it's the reason.

 

[Username Anthony]

So in other words you had no point to make.

Well done again.

The point was Geelong never beat a dynasty team enroute to any flag. And if the AFL stepped in earlier and changed the father son rule before (not after) they allowed Geelong to draft a pick 1 with pick 41, you wouldn't even have 4 flags, but only 1, which wouldn't be a problem for Geelong supporters because they could still call it a dynasty, because you guys make finals regularly.

 

[PhatBoy]

The point was Geelong never beat a dynasty team enroute to any flag. And if the AFL stepped in earlier and changed the father son rule before (not after) they allowed Geelong to draft a pick 1 with pick 41, you wouldn't even have 4 flags, but only 1, which wouldn't be a problem for Geelong supporters because they could still call it a dynasty, because you guys make finals regularly.

Neither did the other sides.

You don’t consider the Cats a dynasty team so even Hawthorn’s 2008 and 2013 flag doesn’t count.


So literally none of the four best sides this century, dynasty or not, beat any dynasty sides on the way to a flag.

Wow, great chat.


Awww and what is this I see? Another excuse. Careful, they’ll be popping out the front of your lips if they retreat any further inside your sack.

 

[STPer18]

Joel Selwood's four flag Empire still causing a commotion?

 

[PhatBoy]

Joel Selwood's four flag Empire still causing a commotion?

Someone doesn’t like rules that all teams have access to: no big deal.

Richo’s decade and a half of failure as a father son caused a rule change and one fan is trying to deflect

 

[Username Anthony]

Someone doesn’t like rules that all teams have access to: no big deal.

You need father sons to have access to a rule the AFL changed (not me) because it was deemed unfair.

 

[PhatBoy]

You need father sons to have access to a rule the AFL changed (not me) because it was deemed unfair.

Your club has had a f**k tonne of them.

Not our fault they were all dogshit, bar one of them. Who’s teams were all dogshit.

 

[Username Anthony]

You don’t consider the Cats a dynasty team so even Hawthorn’s 2008 and 2013 flag doesn’t count.

You do though. You called Geelong a minor dynasty team when you said Richmond didn't go through any "dominant dynasty" enroute to their 3 flags.

Your club has had a f**k tonne of them.

How many of them would've went pick 1. Just remember the AFL changed the rule for a reason. And the reason is that it was deemed unfair, just like years later Richmond's system was deemed unfair for the competition. And I have no problem saying Richmond would've won no flags without our pressure based system and quick ball movement.

There is no "Selwood empire" if the AFL changed the unfair father son rule before and not after allowing Geelong to take pick 1 at pick 41, very lucky that the unfair rule wasn't changed earlier. I knew Tom Hawkins was going to go number 1 the season before he was picked, can't see how the AFL couldn't know that?

 

[PhatBoy]

You do though. You called Geelong a minor dynasty team when you said Richmond didn't go through any "dominant dynasty" enroute to their 3 flags.


How many of them would've went pick 1. Just remember the AFL changed the rule for a reason. And the reason is that it was deemed unfair, just like years later Richmond's system was deemed unfair for the competition. And I have no problem saying Richmond would've won no flags without our pressure based system and quick ball movement.

There is no "Selwood empire" if the AFL changed the unfair father son rule before and not after allowing Geelong to take pick 1 at pick 41, very lucky that the unfair rule wasn't changed earlier. I knew Tom Hawkins was going to go number 1 the season before he was picked, can't see how the AFL couldn't know that?

The unfair father son rule that every club has had access to except two clubs…. Who both have academies

It’s only unfair because your club didn’t have any good ones at the time. If Richo came along 15 years later you wouldn’t have a problem with it you sook. If your dozen father son selections over the last 30 years weren’t so garbage you wouldn’t care.

Guess what? If it wasn’t for one of the draft rules maybe we would have won the flag this year. Will Ashcroft had an excellent prelim final against us. Who the f**k cares. If we were better, we would have won.

You really must think Tom Hawkins was the best player of his generation if we were that reliant on him.

 

[FreddyTwoShoes]

Falcon/Cleany etc still has his knickers in a twist about father/sons and the stand rule.

And still wheeling out excuses - “we had injuries” “we had the flu”.

Nothing new under the sun.

 

[PhatBoy]

Falcon/Cleany etc still has his knickers in a twist about father/sons and the stand rule.

And still wheeling out excuses - “we had injuries” “we had the flu”.

Nothing new under the sun.

This is a different guy I’m pretty sure, I can’t remember his original name but he was a fan of the word emasculation.

He does share Falcon’s love of a good excuse though.

 

[Username Anthony]

It’s only unfair because your club didn’t have any good ones at the time.

It was unfair, that's why the AFL changed the rule, I already said that lol!

If Richo came along 15 years later you wouldn’t have a problem with it you sook.

It still would've been an unfair rule if other teams couldn't get a pick 1 with pick 41.

Guess what? If it wasn’t for one of the draft rules maybe we would have won the flag this year. Will Ashcroft had an excellent prelim final against us. Who the f**k cares. If we were better, we would have won.

Imagine the farher son rule was today what it was when you got pick 1 for pick 41?

You really must think Tom Hawkins was the best player of his generation if we were that reliant on him.

Hawkins was yours, it was Selwood you would've missed out on if the AFL didn't pretend they didn't know who Tom Hawkins was 2 years out from his draft year. So the rule could've been changed earlier if the AFL knew what unfair meant before the change, it's lucky for Geelong they didn't, or did they?

And lucky for Geelong that the stand rule prompted them to move the ball quicker, great coaching by the premiership coach Hocking there. Don't listen to lying Chris Scott when he said he figured out how to beat Richmond in 2021, if that were true then he told Hocking to change the rule?

 

[PhatBoy]

It was unfair, that's why the AFL changed the rule, I already said that lol!

It still would've been an unfair rule if other teams couldn't get a pick 1 with pick 41.

Imagine the farher son rule was today what it was when you got pick 1 for pick 41?

Hawkins was yours, it was Selwood you would've missed out on if the AFL didn't pretend they didn't know who Tom Hawkins was 2 years out from his draft year. So the rule could've been changed earlier if the AFL knew what unfair meant before the change, it's lucky for Geelong they didn't, or did they?

And lucky for Geelong that the stand rule prompted them to move the ball quicker, great coaching by the premiership coach Hocking there. Don't listen to lying Chris Scott when he said he figured out how to beat Richmond in 2021, if that were true then he told Hocking to change the rule?

The Selwood that 6 other clubs passed on because he had dodgy knees.

Yeah.

We know mate.

Make some more excuses and cry a bit harder

 

[tiger_tough]

This a banter or sooking thread?

 

[Noidnadroj]

The Selwood that 6 other clubs passed on because he had dodgy knees.

Yeah.

We know mate.

Make some more excuses and cry a bit harder

The father son rule of the day was a godsend for Geelong … but it was just the rules of the day.

Got G Ablett at 40… Bartel (7), Kelly (17) and Stevie J (24) came earlier in the same draft. Geelong would’ve offloaded 1 and maybe 2 of those picks for points in the modern system - he wasn’t going top-7 so would’ve kept the Bartel pick.

In 2004 got N Ablett at 48. Egan came at 62. That was Geelong’s last pick that would’ve been gobbled up in a point match on Ablett…. Egan CHB in AA team of 2007 I believe.

Then obviously Hawkins went 41 and was a unanimous pick-1, so wouldn’t have got Selwood.

So no Stevie J, M Egan or Selwood … and maybe no James Kelly in updated father-son rules….

What a great free kick for a dynasty … but just the rules of the day so good luck to them. Probably no dynasty without it though.


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[takethepowerback]

Why do successive flags matter? To who? You? Congrats

Did you win flags while dominant/dynasty teams were around? I didn’t see any.

I saw hawthorn win their last flag two years before your first, and missing finals every season you won the comp, and going out in straight sets the year before, and after, your first. OOOH!!! Well done.

At least the Cats had a finals win over Hawthorn in a flag year the season before Hawthorn’s first grand final at the start of their big run, and while they still had most of their 2008 team intact, or did that escape you?

No no we definitely didn’t win any of our flags at a time when there was a dynasty team around did we

F**k, aside from MR’s little spreadsheet of finals wins against Geelong does ANY tigers fan - literally ANY - (BF Tiger excepted who actually knows his stuff) understand what research and facts are about?

Geez mate, how the hell can there be two dynasty teams at the same time? You think there's two teams winning two in a row at the same time? Or 3? Or 3/4? Are you ok?

Of course dynasty's matter, that's why you listed a bunch of dynasty teams earlier. So they matter to you too..

There wasn't a another team winning successive flags while the tigers were, no. Because we were the dynasty team..the team that beat Geelong in QF, PF, and GF. My second favourite trilogy of the era to the three flags, it leveled up each time.

Like I said, 07-11 cats were a dynasty team. Scott inherited one flag on the back of it off a list he didn't build. The scott era cats ain't a dynasty team, and they don't win flags when dynasty teams are about.

 

[Mr Meow]

The father son rule of the day was a godsend for Geelong … but it was just the rules of the day.

Got G Ablett at 40… Bartel (7), Kelly (17) and Stevie J (24) came earlier in the same draft. Geelong would’ve offloaded 1 and maybe 2 of those picks for points in the modern system - he wasn’t going top-7 so would’ve kept the Bartel pick.

In 2004 got N Ablett at 48. Egan came at 62. That was Geelong’s last pick that would’ve been gobbled up in a point match on Ablett…. Egan CHB in AA team of 2007 I believe.

Then obviously Hawkins went 41 and was a unanimous pick-1, so wouldn’t have got Selwood.

So no Stevie J, M Egan or Selwood … and maybe no James Kelly in updated father-son rules….

What a great free kick for a dynasty … but just the rules of the day so good luck to them. Probably no dynasty without it though.


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Going without Selwood and Kelly would've been the outcome on today's rules. The latter's pick the bid to secure Ablett.

Selwood and Kelly had 1 AA between them between 2007-2010. 2011 they were vital pieces, so perhaps that flag from the trilogy would be in question.

That isn't nearly as important as having prime Dusty, Rance et al as a reward for years of being a basket case. As soon as the music stopped it was right back to being a basket case. Lucky the net is there to catch the Tigers time and time again.

 

[sleep]

 

[Freddy Swift]

Is that meant to be a spoon? Because it actually isn’t. It’s a tool to scrape down the sides of the bowl when you’re making a cake. If you want to be a smarty and hang shit on Richmond for coming last at least use a correct picture.

 

[smasha]

No wonder they changed rules.
The hate on the mighty Tigers is palpable!