Geelong V Saint Kilda- who has the better midfield?

[luke ball14]

I seriously think people underrate how good our midfield is, and don't give it the credit it deserves. we've only lost 3 games out of 55 and that factor is largely to do with our midfield. While Saints have clearly the second best midfield in the comp, it's kind of insulting to compare them to Geelong considering our record to date.

Sure it's allways insulting to question anything Geelong not being the best isn't, god I can't wait for someone not not you guys off your perch............. oh wait they already have, but then again they are only Bradbury premiers, Geelong were still the best team in 2008 evon though Hawthron were unlucky not to beat them in round 17, and beat them convincingly in the GF but excuse me for actually questioning Geelong's midfield, that got destroyed by Hawthorns midfield only because Geelong fell over not because they were better.

Really sorry lets not discuss Geelong in any way, or question them in any way on a Football discussion website, it's an insult to their fans to even
compare them to any other club.

Sorry I wont enter any other Geelong discussions because you guys are clearly better than any other team,

 

[Big Nasty]

Sure it's allways insulting to question anything Geelong not being the best isn't, god I can't wait for someone not not you guys off your perch............. oh wait they already have, but then again they are only Bradbury premiers, Geelong were still the best team in 2008 evon though Hawthron were unlucky not to beat them in round 17, and beat them convincingly in the GF but better.excuse me for actually questioning Geelong's midfield, that got destroyed by Hawthorns midfield only because Geelong fell over not because they were

Really sorry lets not discuss Geelong in any way, or question them in any way on a Football discussion website, it's an insult to their fans to even
compare them to any other club.

Sorry I wont enter any other Geelong discussions because you guys are clearly better than any other team,

You clearly never watched that game mate. Geelong lost the game in their forwardline, not their midfield.

 

[stfan]

whats it short for?? street?

No..

ORIGINS OF THE NAME ST KILDA
For all those who incorrectly pronounce St Kilda as Saint Kilda, read this article from the Age a few years back:-
"What's in a name? In a strange kind of way, the myth behind St Kilda's name tells you more than the reality. According to legend, St Kilda was a monk who became the patron saint of pariahs - the despised and outcasts of society. Anyone who knows anything about the St Kilda Football Club could relate to that.
It's a good story, but that's all it is. Sadly, the truth is not as exotic, even if there is a tinge of the bizarre. St Kilda is a desolate outpost, part of a remote archipelago about 200 kilometres off the west coast of Scotland, and was given its name by mistake. Had it not been for a bloke who couldn't read properly, we could have been cheering on "Sakilda" against Adelaide this weekend. According to documents in the State Library, St Kilda was actually called "Sakilda" or "Sakilder", a Scandinavian word which described a row of shields, the archipelago's appearance as it was approached by ships.
But fate intervened in the form of a crease in a map. Back in the 1600s, a Dutchman who was making a copy of the map of the area mistook the first 'A' in Sakilda as a 'T', or missed it altogether because of the fold mark. It appears there is a link to modern times, given the Saints fans' inability to use both eyes properly. The island, not unlike Moorabbin Oval (for visitors, anyway), was a bit of a dive. Very cold. Very wet. The entire population lived a backward, poverty-stricken existence, living mainly off birds and fish, with some reports claiming the people started to evolve slightly different ankles because of all the rock climbing. The treacherous seas condemned the island to virtual isolation. Consequently, there were problems getting ministers and teachers to the island. Years could pass before there was any visit by ship.
Authorities decided to relocate the population to mainland Britain in the 1930s.
Victoria's St Kilda was named after a schooner, The Lady of St Kilda, which moored in Port Phillip Bay off the district in July 1841. The History of St Kilda (the suburb, not the club) could have been referring to the footy team when it said of the ship: "She survived many storms. She was sun-blistered and weather-beaten, too . . . her bottom was full of barnacles and she was on sale by barter."
In what was undoubtedly a forerunner to Saturday nights at the St Kilda Social Club, there was also a small mutiny before the ship left for Canton, when three drunk seamen refused the captain's orders and then became unruly when they were refused alcohol.
No wonder local authorities were a little reluctant to adopt the name. The region was first referred to as 'Green Knoll' ("Oh how I want to be at the Green Knoll" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, does it?) and then 'Fareham', before the current name was adopted.
Posted by Mr X from the West - Saintsational Fan Forum - 30th May 2003
THE ST KILDA MAILBOAT
. . . There are various theories as to how the St Kilda off Scotland got its name. The islands are said to have been inhabited by Norwegians from the 9th to the 15th centuries, and as there is an excellent fresh water spring, the name may originate from the Nordic name for spring, "kilde".
According to documents in the State Library, St Kilda was actually called "Sakilda" or "Sakilder", a Scandinavian word for a row of shields, the archipelago's appearance as it was approached by sea. A Dutchman in the 1600s allegedly made a mistake in copying a map and mistook the first 'a' in "Sakilda" for a 't' or missed it al together because of a crease mark. Whatever the real story, everyone is agreed that there was never a Saint Kilda.
The Article St Kilda Historical Series/skhs.org.au/21Jul04

 

[stfan]

You seem to have all the answers, so why don't you explain why it is pronounced "saint" kilda then?

well actually it is not..

It is actually pronounced as snt

 

[Sttew]

Disagree.

Our top tier midfielders are Ablett, Bartel, Selwood, Corey, Kelly and Ling.

Due to backline injuries, Bartel, Kelly and Corey have spent substantial amounts of time helping out the defence this year.

We have the ability to play Chapman, Enright, Stokes and two vastly improved players in Varcoe and Byrnes through there when required.

And, as shown earlier this year, Stevie Johnson can be switched into the midfield with devastating effect.

 

[stfan]

It is pronounced "Saint" Kilda in the same way that the suburb is pronounced "Saint" Kilda. .

No that is not correct.

Should be snt

I was wrong about the full stop, but that's trivial, the fact of the matter is that we are St. Kilda, not Saint Kilda.


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Full stop should not actually be there.

Yes it is on the clubs logo no, but that is probably as some graphic artist buggered things up and no one has rectifield the mistake.

 

[MCG-Unit]

Cattery

Lots of player rotate thru midfields though...

 

[stfan]

On Topic:

Cats have the better midfield. St Kilda have the better forward line due to Riewoldt in particular, but Kosi as well and IMO we also now have a better backline than the Cats.

Rucks if both teams have their best is about even.

For this game with no King and Ottens, St Kilda probably has a slight edge due to Gardiner.

 

[north93]

saints midfield way too slow
e.g hayes ball dal santo

 

[north93]

On Topic:

Cats have the better midfield. St Kilda have the better forward line due to Riewoldt in particular, but Kosi as well and IMO we also now have a better backline than the Cats.

Rucks if both teams have their best is about even.

For this game with no King and Ottens, St Kilda probably has a slight edge due to Gardiner.

bahaahahaha

 

[SpInNeR]

Ranking the midfield:

Ablett
Hayes
Bartel
Dal Santo
Corey
Selwood
Montagna
Ball

The above shows a skew to Geelongs midfield.....But we are not far off.

 

[north93]

Ranking the midfield:

Ablett
Hayes
Bartel
Dal Santo
Corey
Selwood
Montagna
Ball

The above shows a skew to Geelongs midfield.....But we are not far off.

Selwood is 2nd dunno what you were thinking there mate his a gun

 

[Fryman]

Selwood is 2nd dunno what you were thinking there mate his a gun

Hard to tell when he doesn't get the number one stopper from the opposition. A perfect compliment to Ablett and Bartel but who knows how he would go if he was the number one midfielder and had the extra attention.

 

[north93]

Hard to tell when he doesn't get the number one stopper from the opposition. A perfect compliment to Ablett and Bartel but who knows how he would go if he was the number one midfielder and had the extra attention.

Sides try and rough him up every week

 

[burto]

Hard to tell when he doesn't get the number one stopper from the opposition. A perfect compliment to Ablett and Bartel but who knows how he would go if he was the number one midfielder and had the extra attention.

Actually, he gets the #1 tagger most weeks. He just convincingly beats them.

 

[donbooger]

Selwood got the number 1 tagger when Ablett was gone Kirk (sydney) Power (Nth Melbourne, Rawlings injured) and played even better he loves attention.

 

[fpm84]

Ranking the midfield:

Ablett
Hayes
Bartel
Dal Santo
Corey
Selwood
Montagna
Ball

The above shows a skew to Geelongs midfield.....But we are not far off.

You're seriously underestimating Selwood and Montagna. Based on this season's form alone, both should be higher than Hayes and Bartel. Also, where's Ling?

 

[adelaide_40]

Geelong.

 

[Plugger35]

Ablett is probably the difference between the two midfields, he's clearly the best midfielder in the game. Take him out and it's just about even.

I think our midfield has improved from last year though. Montagna, Jones and Geary have improved considerably, whilst Dal Santo, Ball and Hayes are back to their best.

The test of how much our midfield has improved will obviously happen in a couple of weeks, when we go head to head with the Cats.

 

[vinum coupe]

I tried to rate both midfields but to be honest when the saints mids play geelong they just seem to drop a level in ranking

8.5 Hayes
8.0 Montagna
7.0 Dal Santo ,Jones, Goddard
6.0 Ball
5.0 Gram
4.0 Ray

9.5 Ablett
8.5 Selwood, Corey
8.0 Bartel, Ling
7.5 Johnson, Chapman, Enright, Kelly
6.0 Varcoe, Byrnes

 

[north93]

I tried to rate both midfields but to be honest when the saints mids play geelong they just seem to drop a level in ranking

8.5 Hayes
8.0 Montagna
7.0 Dal Santo ,Jones, Goddard
6.0 Ball
5.0 Gram
4.0 Ray

9.5 Ablett
8.5 Selwood, Corey
8.0 Bartel, Ling
7.5 Johnson, Chapman, Enright, Kelly
6.0 Varcoe, Byrnes

Selwood would have to be at least 9 his way better then hayes
hayes is overrated hes too slow

 

[vinum coupe]

ha ha ha ha. give it a rest. Hayes is a star

 

[cancat]

I thought the bloke was a tool when he said that it is not Saint Kilda, so I looked it up on wiki. This is an extract from the page:

St Kilda was named after a schooner Lady of St Kilda (which moored at the main beach for much of 1841) by Charles La Trobe and former ship master and early settler Lieutenant James Ross Lawrence.[3] The name is frequently but mistakenly referred to as "St. Kilda" or "Saint Kilda", with many assuming that it is an abbreviation of "saint", however the correct spelling is "St Kilda" as there is no known saint by the name of Kilda.

Interesting that the same Wiki article uses "St. Kilda" a number of times and the club logo has the full stop.

There are number of explanations for the naming of the islands off Scotland that ultimately the footy club was named after. They all boil down to errors that assumed the islands were named after a saint. So calling it St. Kilda or even Saint Kilda is no crime - after all the name derives from changes in spelling. And claiming that St should not be pronounced "saint" is just plain wrong.

The club nickname is "The Saints" FFS!

 

[Plugger35]

Selwood would have to be at least 9 his way better then hayes
hayes is overrated hes too slow

Please, you can't have watched much football if you are ranking Selwood ahead of Hayes. Hayes has been a champion midfielder for the past 7 or 8 yrs, whilst Selwood, as good as he is, has only been around for 2 and a half years. In terms of career form and current form I'd have Hayes ahead of Selwood.

As I said previously, the two midfields are very evenly matched apart from Ablett, who is almost on another planet.

 

[kosifantutti]

And claiming that St should not be pronounced "saint" is just plain wrong.

The club nickname is "The Saints" FFS!

So Geelong should be pronounced Catlong.

I actually don't care if it's pronounced Saint, Snt or Sin or whether it is St. Kilda or St Kilda. Writing Saint Kilda just looks wrong.

What I really hate, is being referred to as St.Kilda Saints.