Geelong V Saint Kilda- who has the better midfield?

[north93]

Look, just a quick one about Cats and Saints fans - we have to watch the generalisations about "arrogant supporters", on BOTH sides. Read the full thread - the vast majority of Saints fans are saying "We're hopeful that we can give them a shake, and we have some pretty good players, but we know and highly respect the Geelong midfield and expect they have the better of us in that dept at the moment." The vast majority of Geelong supporters are saying "We've got such an impressive record, which indicates that our midfield are the best, we have the best player in the league (all of which are largely undeniable), but we reckon that the Saints have a pretty good midfield who have the chance to give us a shake."

It's only a very small handful of players from either side that are doing the whole "Your players SUCK, ours SMASH yours." But as soon as that happens, others start writing, "I can't believe how arrogant ALL you Saints/Cats supporters are!" That's just not fair, on either side's supporters, as this very thread indicates. The fact is, there are mostly sane, decent people following all the sides in the comp, and a few vocal tools that make the sane decent ones look bad. Don't let the tools win.

nawww

 

[Hoops]

Saints best 4/5 might be equal with Cats best 4/5 but Geelongs Depth through rotation in the middle is way on top, Kelly Ling Rooke Chapman

 

[Axle17]

Going by this season, id say Saints are close.
But going off the past few years, Saints have been top 4 at best.
Saying that, they both get found out under massive amounts of pressure.
e.g - Saints v Blues
Cats v Bulldogs
Cats v Hawks (08 GF)

Still, id love to have at least one of their star mids at the Hawks

 

[winty]

Going by this season, id say Saints are close.
But going off the past few years, Saints have been top 4 at best.
Saying that, they both get found out under massive amounts of pressure.
e.g - Saints v Blues
Cats v Bulldogs
Cats v Hawks (08 GF)

Still, id love to have at least one of their star mids at the Hawks

How'd we get 60+ inside 50's on grand final day if our midfield got found out?

 

[stfan]

Saints best 4/5 might be equal with Cats best 4/5 but Geelongs Depth through rotation in the middle is way on top,


Kelly Ling Rooke Chapman

Lets see...the St Kilda equiavalents are:

Goddard, Clinton Jones, Sam Fisher, Scheider.

Al of who have been rarotaed through the middle.

Goodard has been in blistering form and is better than any of the 4 you name and is certainly far superior to Kelly.

CJ has stepped up hugely this year in the offensive tagger role..but Ling would take the honours.

Sam Fisher rotating through the midfield is way better than Rooke.

Chapman is better than Schneider...but Schneder is more than useful. Indeed Schneider has been layinga lot of tackles.


Asa group of 4 I would rate the Saints quartet higher.

 

[bombermick]

it is a little like essendon v brisbane back in the '01 grand final and we all know what happened there. essendon (saints) clearly have the better forward line, really no contest in this part of the ground. meanwhile brisbane (geelong) dominate in this part of the ground, with added speed and depth. the saints challenge is to break somewhat even in this part of the ground (really don't need to win the midfield to win the game) and hope kosi can gorilla scarlett and hudghton can take mooney out of the game.

 

[db swannie]

How'd we get 60+ inside 50's on grand final day if our midfield got found out?

Agreed. Geelong's midfield wasn't the problem in last year's GF, it was the fact that their forwards couldn't convert which lost them the game.

I am (like most) looking forward very much to the Cats V Saints. Not so much a defining game for the Cats, but definitely one for the Saints. IF they get badly beaten it could signal a loss of confidence, whereas I don't think anyone would doubt Geelong's superiority over the last 3 years.

A bit off topic, but a few weeks ago after Geelong got a bit of a scare (can't remember which game?) Bomber was joking in the press conference how it wouldn't have been such a bad thing if his team lost, or words to that effect. Only a coach who has such sumpreme confidence in his players and team as a whole could react in such a manner IMO.

Anyway I hope the Cats v Saints game is a good one!

 

[JUBJUB]

I seriously can't wait to you guys go down, for all your flash-your side still lacks a decent tall forward, your forward line IS going to crumble to our defence. Mooney is good, but Fisher is in another leauge, it wouldn't suprise me to see Dawson handle him.

VFL,GFL,BFL,QAFL,SANFL ????
What's this other league he's in ?

 

[skipper kelly]

VFL,GFL,BFL,QAFL,SANFL ????
What's this other league he's in ?

he said another leauge.

 

[fpm84]

A bit off topic, but a few weeks ago after Geelong got a bit of a scare (can't remember which game?) Bomber was joking in the press conference how it wouldn't have been such a bad thing if his team lost, or words to that effect.

It was after the Bulldogs game when Brad Johnson missed after the siren - Bomber said afterwards that he didn't care whether we'd won or lost the game because he was just disappointed at the way we played the last quarter.

 

[Feerits Elf]

This is not going thru to the keeper
No doubt you see Gram every week and know whether he puts his body on the line when he has to...

Maybe Gram needs the same type of courage it took to do your post, yes?
I gather you would tell him to his face.

I agree with diablo14. Gram is soft.

And yeah I'd tell him to his face. Nobody at the club seems to have done so.

 

[Plugger35]

I agree with diablo14. Gram is soft.

And yeah I'd tell him to his face. Nobody at the club seems to have done so.

In fairness to Gram, he doesn't exactly have the build to be a tough guy, enforcer. He is more a running outside type player. We have plenty of other guys to do the in and under bullocking work.

I'll admit Gram's form at the start of the year was pretty average, but since returning from being dropped a few weeks ago he has been one of our better players.

 

[MCG-Unit]

I agree with diablo14. Gram is soft.

And yeah I'd tell him to his face. Nobody at the club seems to have done so.

Well he may not relish body contact, but I've seen him place his body on the line, or back into a pack when he's had to...

You must be one tough hombre then

 

[Bloody Hell]

Doesn't stand for anything. It's just St. That's it. Like St Kilda. There is no full stop after the "St" because it is not an abbreviation. It is incorrect for the club to be called Saint Kilda.

From Wikipedia:

St Kilda was named after a schooner Lady of St Kilda (which moored at the main beach for much of 1841) by Charles La Trobe and former ship master and early settler Lieutenant James Ross Lawrence.[3] The name is frequently but mistakenly referred to as "St. Kilda" or "Saint Kilda", with many assuming that it is an abbreviation of "saint", however the correct spelling is "St Kilda" as there is no known saint by the name of Kilda.

 

[Feerits Elf]

In fairness to Gram, he doesn't exactly have the build to be a tough guy, enforcer. He is more a running outside type player. We have plenty of other guys to do the in and under bullocking work.

In fairness to me, I wasn't calling Gram out for failing to be a tough guy enforcer or to do the in-and-under bullocking work.

I was calling him out for being soft.

 

[m0zza]

Geelong easily.

As for the muppet who suggested St Kilda's defence was better

 

[stfan]

Geelong easily.

As for the muppet who suggested St Kilda's defence was better

Yes you are right after all the opposition have kicked bags of goals against the Saints this year...

Indeed the Saints are on-track to out-perform any other modern football team defensively.

Ever since WCE introduced whole team defence, no team has conceded so few points.

 

[Cohzee]

The upcoming game is huge, but all that aside. Just whos midfield looks to be in better nick half way through 09'.
As I am a Saints supporter and somewhat biast, however these are the respective midfields:

Geelong: Saint Kilda
Blake King/Gardiner
Selwood Hayes
Corey Montagna
Ablett Dal Santo
Bartel Ball

Obviously changes flucuate throughout the game, but who IYO, comes out on top. I see these two midfields as easily the best two in the competition. I see Montagna as currently the competitions number one player, with Ablett, Bartel and Selwood equally damaging, with Ablett poised to take out the Brownlow. However Hayes and Dal Santos form this year is unbelievable, and Goddard and Gram should make entries into the centre at some stage.

OTTENS.

Geelong wins.

 

[stfan]

OTTENS.

Geelong wins.

Comical. If you actually read the post you replied to you would understand that he was talking about Rnd 14.

Ottens will be in the STAND.

 

[St DAC]

OTTENS.

Geelong wins.

Based on his current form perhaps?

 

[Bollox]

I'd be happy with a few scraps from both midfields thanx

 

[Tom12]

In fairness to Gram, he doesn't exactly have the build to be a tough guy, enforcer. He is more a running outside type player. We have plenty of other guys to do the in and under bullocking work.

I'll admit Gram's form at the start of the year was pretty average, but since returning from being dropped a few weeks ago he has been one of our better players.

He has been, hes doing his job, running and kicking with good effect.

 

[Carlton_Blues]

Gee-long.

 

[matt_y106]

When you stated this fact you obviously had no consideration for the number of players who rotate through the St Kilda midfield.
Players Such as:
Hayes
Ball
Dal Santo
Goddard
Jones
Montagna
Gram
Ray.

As far as I'm concerned there's 8 midfielders right there. So in comparrison Saints depth in the midfield is Equal if not superior. The quality of that depth is where Geelong has us beaten.
Geelong should win, but I expect a switched on Saints and a great game.

There is no way on this earth St. Kilda has equal to superior depth to Geelongs midfield.

G. Ablett
J. Bartel
J. Corey
J. Selwood
C. Ling
S. Johnson
P. Chapman
J. Kelly

M. Rooke if they want someone to put their face over the ball with no regard for their own safety

 

[cat_fanatic]

Comical. If you actually read the post you replied to you would understand that he was talking about Rnd 14.

Ottens will be in the STAND.

As will King if i'm not mistaken?