Geelong vs WCE 2006 comeback- were you there?

[wce0632]

oh my god, Im so sick of this drugs crap, yeah a few players have taken drugs and some more seriously than others but ffs every club has them, probably your own. Geelong thrashed Port in this years GF but if it was ever revealed that a Geelong premiership player had a problem with a substance does that mean that we can question the result of the 07 GF despite the score? It's bloody ridiculous 22 players make a team not 1 or 2 - everyone should get the f*ck over it, just because some people are questioning it doesn't mean you all have to agree with it and run with it.

I came here to read people's memories and see what it was like to be a Geelong supporter that day but instead its filled with what ifs and "ohh it must have been because their best players were on the gear" etc. and how's this for a "what if"...What if geelong decided to continue playing the way they were the first half of that game instead of thinking it was a win and slacking off and mucking around with the ball which caused turnovers which caused west coast goals which resulted in a west coast win..

 

[estibador]

will never forget that game. switched off the tv and got ready to go to the pub to drown my sorrows. sister storms in and screams wce are only a few points down. screamed louder at the end of the game more than the gf. simply unbelievable.

So you switched off the tv because your team was losing? No offense, but you're the sort of supporter who doesn't deserve to see comebacks like that. Would have served you right if you missed it.

 

[krisholio14]

Absolutely true. Cousins is fanatical on the field, fearless, runs all day, almost superhuman and without any fear of consequences. One can only surmise if some of these qualities that made him such a brilliant player were assisted by alternate means. As a footy fan, i reserve the right to simply treat West Coast, and all who sail in her, with disdain and a lack of respect. Great performances by them in the past couple of years will always have questions against them.

At least in the eyes of many footy fans. Whether they did or not is only a supposition, but one that has been brought upon the Eagles by the actions of a few of their players, and the lack of action brought on by the coach. I have vivid memories of Cousin's wild arm-swinging action up on stage upon holding the 2006 Cup with Judd. I will eat my hat if Geelong find at the end of 2008 neither Harley or Bartel at the club.

Fair suck of the sauce bottle son. How the Eagles success can be equated to them using drugs is beyond me. Getting wasted every possible opportunity never helped teams like Richmond or St Kilda back in the 80's. Not to mention there are a few Carlton premiership sides with plenty of blokes who were known to like additional refreshments. Noone puts asterisks next to their premierships.

I hate the Eagles more than anyone, but I certainly am not going to suggest the Eagles were a good side just because they like the gear. They won a flag fair and square, what they do in their spare time has nothing to do with it.

Besides, our club has had their fair share who didn't mind giving it a go over the years. We just haven't let these things get out of control, or enter the public domain. If the drug use becomes rampant, on field performance usually suffers, or it comes back to bite you on the arse. You can't put your hands in the fire and not get burnt, and the Eagles have found this out the hard way.

No one is questioning our past results except the media and jealous easterners.

Anyone who knows anything about football understands that its a team game with 22 players each week and Ben Cousins the man in question never tested positive to anything.

Anyway, this game was awesome. And then we followed it up the next week again Carlton.. wow. I was so close to turning off my tv at half time. Then we started to get the ball and everything we touched turned gold.

Anyone who questions the Eagles recent success or Ben Cousins Brownlow on the basis of his drug taking is a damn fool.

Do you put the same question marks over the past greats of your own club?

Guess you had better do the same for the Geelong team of the early 90's and especially the performances of "God", their best player, Gary Ablett Snr. given that he is a known drug user.

It's a tired point fellas, but Gary Ablett got in most of his trouble well after his career, and involvement at the club, was over. Whether you like it or not, it's a totally different situation.

 

[BigBadCam]

It's a tired point fellas, but Gary Ablett got in most of his trouble well after his career, and involvement at the club, was over. Whether you like it or not, it's a totally different situation.

Not really. We just didn't hear about it when he was at Geelong. Even if we did, I think we all would have stuck our fingers in our ears and refused to believe it. Players lives weren't monitored every second of the day by a money grubbing media, and players got away with a lot more. The Ablett scenario is kind of why I feel for the Eagles supporters.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Coke and Meth are classed as performance enhancing drugs.

If used on match day, did you know smoking is technically preformance enhancing if you smoke just before a game? it also causes your lungs to learn how to cope with less oxygen=more energy,


God some people are incredibly petty and foolish

 

[krisholio14]

Not really. We just didn't hear about it when he was at Geelong. Even if we did, I think we all would have stuck our fingers in our ears and refused to believe it. Players lives weren't monitored every second of the day by a money grubbing media, and players got away with a lot more. The Ablett scenario is kind of why I feel for the Eagles supporters.

Yes, point taken. However, one must keep in mind that many of the Eagles players have been rather flagrant about their extra curricular activities, and if you do that you can only hide it for so long.

As I said in my post before, I know Geelong players that have got on the gear during their playing days. But most people don't know, because these fellows were discreet about it. I also know that generally speaking theres a lot the media know that they DON'T mention these days too.

Besides, these Eagles fans aren't referring to drugs Gary Ablett may have taken during his playing days. They are of course referring to an incident involving a hotel room, large amounts of drugs and a young girl, that happend well after he had ceased to be a league footballer.

 

[BigBadCam]

Yes, point taken. However, one must keep in mind that many of the Eagles players have been rather flagrant about their extra curricular activities, and if you do that you can only hide it for so long.

In the fishbowl that is Perth, these guys must have felt almost superhuman and that they could get away with anything. For a while I guess they did, but it's all come back to bite them. The point I was trying to make about the media ripping into them though is that had it been a Melbourne based player you would have heard very little about it and there might have even been an injunction... But I'll save that for another thread. Whatever the case, the Vic footy journos wouldn't have had as much fun digging the boots into their own as throwing rocks across the Nullabor.

As I said in my post before, I know Geelong players that have got on the gear during their playing days. But most people don't know, because these fellows were discreet about it. I also know that generally speaking theres a lot the media know that they DON'T mention these days too.

I know a lot of AFL players who get on the gear. A lot of what people know though cannot be published in the media without proof. Just seing a player at a club at 5am with pupils the size of marbles, drinking water, and with an amazing amount of energy is not enough to write an article on.

Besides, these Eagles fans aren't referring to drugs Gary Ablett may have taken during his playing days. They are of course referring to an incident involving a hotel room, large amounts of drugs and a young girl, that happend well after he had ceased to be a league footballer.

Yes, we all know that story, and I'd rather not go into it. The point I'd like to make though, is that although it was after his career had ended, we have no idea what he got up to during his career. Apart from reports that he never went to training and turned up late on gameday etc., we know little about the private life of Ablett during his playing days. Whatever the case though, he was one of the greatest players I have ever seen, and will always be a hero and champion in my book. The reason he is my champion is not because he is a fine upstanding member of the community, but because as a kid he was the number 1 entertainer. People are forgetting that we pay money to walk through the turnstile and see these guys play football, and every now and again one of them is better than the rest. I paid to see Ablett play moreso than Geelong during a certain period of time, as I'm sure many Eagles have with Cousins. If I wanted to go and see a role model, I'd go to a church... Oh, hang on...

As Geelong supporters especially, I think we should refrain from digging the boot into the Eagles, and I don't think we can take anything away from their last few years. I know for a fact that Cousins, whilst freakishly gifted, got where he did through gut running, hard work and determination. Nothing can take that away from him, and I don't think we can take anything away from the side he led to the Grand Final.

 

[passthebottle]

So what was the point of this then?

You have been here since 2002 so you should know by now that to get the gist of some things you need to read the whole thread and not just the occasional post.

 

[passthebottle]

If used on match day, did you know smoking is technically preformance enhancing if you smoke just before a game? it also causes your lungs to learn how to cope with less oxygen=more energy,


God some people are incredibly petty and foolish

Read the whole thread.


God some people........

 

[OldStyle2007]

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22340129-5005401,00.html

"Malthouse and fellow Sydney coach Paul Roos have said the possible performance-enhancing aspects of illicit drugs had been overshadowed by the row between AFL players and the Seven Network over the use of medical records in a report.

"Read the chemical make-up of those and see what effect it has on the body - don't tell me it's not performance enhancing,'' Malthouse said."

 

[OldStyle2007]

Amphetamines are used in the military as 'performance enhancers' and 'performance maintainers'

Source:
Use of amphetamines in the military environment.
The Lancet, Volume 362, Pages s18-s19
E. Bower, J. Phelan (need subscription)
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS014067360315060X/abstract

Also:

Military looks to drugs for battle readiness
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020809-drugs1.htm

There's a lot of evidence out there if you are prepared to look for it

 

[Isandula]

Amphetamines are used in the military as 'performance enhancers' and 'performance maintainers'

Source:
Use of amphetamines in the military environment.
The Lancet, Volume 362, Pages s18-s19
E. Bower, J. Phelan (need subscription)
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS014067360315060X/abstract

Also:

Military looks to drugs for battle readiness
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020809-drugs1.htm

There's a lot of evidence out there if you are prepared to look for it

The point you're trying to make is??? F***in hell do you need to rabbit on like a clown, heard it all before, eough is enough give it a break

Back to the original thread topic (yes the actual topic, hmm drugs not apart of it), I decided that the game was crap and therefore went for a drive to get something from the shops though I cant remember what.
Turned the radio on and heard that the Eagles won and was thoroughly elated and pissed off at the same time for missing it . It seemed impossible and I can tell you now I have watched the game a fair amount now, one of the best ever.
Still annoyed that I missed it as it happened live, never have done that again. Really though, been that far down against Geelong at Skilled I would have though a fair flogging was coming up, never ever expected the Eagles would comeback like that against that team.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

So you switched off the tv because your team was losing? No offense, but you're the sort of supporter who doesn't deserve to see comebacks like that. Would have served you right if you missed it.

i knew that was gonna come back to haunt me. had plans to get out of the house by 3rd anyway and watch it at the pub. didnt really missed got to watch the last quarter which was surreal. plus i have a short fuse. watching geelong out to a 9 goal lead gets me enraged.

 

[beautime]

Cousins and Kerr iced the match... They were unstoppable

diddums

 

[winty]

I was shattered after that game. Worst feeling I've ever had after a game, and I even sat through the entire 1994 grand final shellacking. It had always been in the back of my mind too for most of this year, that no matter how far we were in front by, we could still be over-run.

Luckily, our team this year was made of a lot more sterner stuff than last year. We had two similar games this year, against West Coast (again) and Sydney. Both teams got within a couple of kicks of us in the last quarter after we controlled the game for most the day, but unlike last year, we kicked clear both times with a couple of quick goals - pretty much against the run of play.

Even on grand final day, I didn't really start celebrating until after we kicked the first goal of the second half.

 

[OldStyle2007]

WEST COAST 2.1 4.1 9.2 16.5 (101) DEFEATED
GEELONG 7.2 10.4 14.8 15.8 (98)

GOALS: WEST COAST: T Stenglein 3 R Jones 2 A Embley 2 A Hunter 2 D Kerr B Cousins D Cox Q Lynch J Graham M Rosa M Nicoski.
GEELONG: C Mooney 3 J Bartel 2 S Johnson 2 P Chapman 2 G Ablett 2 A Mackie J Kelly N Ablett C Enright.

BEST: WEST COAST: D Kerr * B Cousins * D Wirrpanda D Cox C Fletcher * M Nicoski.
GEELONG: J Corey C Mooney C Enright J Bartel D Milburn J Kelly

 

[royals1922]

I turned off the TV at half time.........

 

[DreamBrother]

WEST COAST 2.1 4.1 9.2 16.5 (101) DEFEATED
GEELONG 7.2 10.4 14.8 15.8 (98)

GOALS: WEST COAST: T Stenglein 3 R Jones 2 A Embley 2 A Hunter 2 D Kerr B Cousins D Cox Q Lynch J Graham M Rosa M Nicoski.
GEELONG: C Mooney 3 J Bartel 2 S Johnson 2 P Chapman 2 G Ablett 2 A Mackie J Kelly N Ablett C Enright.

BEST: WEST COAST: D Kerr * B Cousins * D Wirrpanda D Cox C Fletcher * M Nicoski.
GEELONG: J Corey C Mooney C Enright J Bartel D Milburn J Kelly

You're pathetic

 

[OldStyle2007]

Go West * Eagles !

 

[Inferno]

To sum it up in one sentence:

'Not quiet as bad as the Semi Final in 2005...'

Doesn't matter anymore anyway

 

[beautime]

WEST COAST 2.1 4.1 9.2 16.5 (101) DEFEATED
GEELONG 7.2 10.4 14.8 15.8 (98)

GOALS: WEST COAST: T Stenglein 3 R Jones 2 A Embley 2 A Hunter 2 D Kerr B Cousins D Cox Q Lynch J Graham M Rosa M Nicoski.
GEELONG: C Mooney 3 J Bartel 2 S Johnson 2 P Chapman 2 G Ablett 2 A Mackie J Kelly N Ablett C Enright.

BEST: WEST COAST: D Kerr B Cousins D Wirrpanda D Cox C Fletcher M Nicoski.
GEELONG: J Corey C Mooney C Enright J Bartel D Milburn

thanks for posting that

 

[8 ball]

Fair suck of the sauce bottle son. How the Eagles success can be equated to them using drugs is beyond me. Getting wasted every possible opportunity never helped teams like Richmond or St Kilda back in the 80's. Not to mention there are a few Carlton premiership sides with plenty of blokes who were known to like additional refreshments. Noone puts asterisks next to their premierships.

I hate the Eagles more than anyone, but I certainly am not going to suggest the Eagles were a good side just because they like the gear. They won a flag fair and square, what they do in their spare time has nothing to do with it.

Besides, our club has had their fair share who didn't mind giving it a go over the years. We just haven't let these things get out of control, or enter the public domain. If the drug use becomes rampant, on field performance usually suffers, or it comes back to bite you on the arse. You can't put your hands in the fire and not get burnt, and the Eagles have found this out the hard way.



Anyone who questions the Eagles recent success or Ben Cousins Brownlow on the basis of his drug taking is a damn fool.





It's a tired point fellas, but Gary Ablett got in most of his trouble well after his career, and involvement at the club, was over. Whether you like it or not, it's a totally different situation.

Well said.