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[Ned Ryerson]

In my experience I've met a few friends who bristled at first and then warmed to the idea after sitting down and chatting about it. Just my anecdotal experience though.

I disagree about 9th and 10th being mediocre, or at least being that much more mediocre than 7th and 8th. The difference between Adelaide/Dogs and Sydney/GWS this year is pretty negligible, s**t Adelaide should be there.

I personally dont have an issue with it. I like having more meaningful H&A games, I love having more finals and I hate having a week off.

If an improbable run from a team finishing 10th with a 10/12 record wins the premiership it would absolute be a farce. If you lose more games than you win or breakeven then you don't deserve to play in finals - and that is going to happen quite a bit if we open the door for teams 9 and 10 to get one final crack at finals when they hadn't been good enough over a 22-23 game season.

A 30 team league would give us 15 games of footy a week to watch - but the quality would likely be dismal. You can have too much of a good thing and I think squeezing more finals out is an example of this. There is already a few dud finals games a year - we don't need more of them by allowing crap teams into the finals.

 

[Maybloomer]

Came across this uploaded to the you tube last night. Haven't seen this match before (1973 GF), so thought I'd share for others in same boat


Question for the panel - which of the participants would be the most famous to the kids of today?

Rex?
Sheeds?
Robert Walls?
Big Nick?
KB?
None of the above?

Watching the standard of the game, most of the field wouldn’t get a game in today’s football and the rest would be suspended for half the next season. The skills have come a long way.

 

[phlogiston]

Came across this uploaded to the you tube last night. Haven't seen this match before (1973 GF), so thought I'd share for others in same boat


Question for the panel - which of the participants would be the most famous to the kids of today?

Rex?
Sheeds?
Robert Walls?
Big Nick?
KB?
None of the above?

WOuld that have been the last match played with the centre diamond?

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

If an improbable run from a team finishing 10th with a 10/12 record wins the premiership it would absolute be a farce. If you lose more games than you win or breakeven then you don't deserve to play in finals - and that is going to happen quite a bit if we open the door for teams 9 and 10 to get one final crack at finals when they hadn't been good enough over a 22-23 game season.

A 30 team league would give us 15 games of footy a week to watch - but the quality would likely be dismal. You can have too much of a good thing and I think squeezing more finals out is an example of this. There is already a few dud finals games a year - we don't need more of them by allowing crap teams into the finals.

if it's about who deserves what then we would ideally play each finals as a best of 3 or 5 series. or you wouldn't have a finals series at all and you'd just give the trophy to whoever finishes on top like in the EPL. or you'd weight victories based on respective ladder positions at time of game. you make some great points but i disagree on the premise of deserving shit based on regular season performance.

i see it as more punishing the teams in the bottom half of the eight rather than rewarding teams 9-10. if the team isn't good enough to finish top 6 and secure a finals spot then they "deserve" to leave themselves open to being eliminated.

"allowing crap teams into the finals."

if a 10th-ranked team is beating a 7th-ranked team chances are that the 7th-ranked team is just as shit, if not more so. the exception is of course injuries and form but that is applicable to any game where you're trying to seed teams

 

[Ned Ryerson]

if it's about who deserves what then we would ideally play each finals as a best of 3 or 5 series. or you wouldn't have a finals series at all and you'd just give the trophy to whoever finishes on top like in the EPL. or you'd weight victories based on respective ladder positions at time of game. you make some great points but i disagree on the premise of deserving s**t based on regular season performance.

i see it as more punishing the teams in the bottom half of the eight rather than rewarding teams 9-10. if the team isn't good enough to finish top 6 and secure a finals spot then they "deserve" to leave themselves open to being eliminated.

"allowing crap teams into the finals."

if a 10th-ranked team is beating a 7th-ranked team chances are that the 7th-ranked team is just as s**t, if not more so. the exception is of course injuries and form but that is applicable to any game where you're trying to seed teams

I don't love a best of finals series either, even if the drama of a game 7 is fun to watch - if you are not good enough on the day then you're not good enough to be the premiers - simple as that.

And prior to the league expanding to 18 teams I was already miffed that 50% of the comp got access to the finals. My preference would be for a top 5 in a 16 team competition and maybe a top 6 for an 18 team competition. Sure you get less finals - but invariably you get the cream rising to the top and you get a better finals series over all. I can live with 8 teams making it but opening it up any further just negates the worth of regular season form more and more.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[bigmaxi]

So unsurprising, the glacial movement of the AFL is on par with the public service, but with but with one glaring difference. Eventually the public service get things done.

 

[smish]

Lethal tells the AFL to GAGF

 

[cryptor]

Fair enough too. That's ridiculous. He's over 70 and a Legend of the game as both player and coach. It shouldn't take 18 months to work out if they want him to join.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Fair enough too. That's ridiculous. He's over 70 and a Legend of the game as both player and coach. It shouldn't take 18 months to work out if they want him to join.

I mean we are talking about an organisation where the outgoing CEO is in month 10 of his farewell tour.

 

[Brishawk]

Imagine having a game mechanic that renders the entire rest of the sport pointless.

Rugby union is almost that sometimes. There was a time when forwards were just the guys who got the ball close enough to goal to have a shot at goal after an inevitable penalty. Was Almost pointless having a try line lol

Its better now…

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Rugby union is almost that sometimes. There was a time when forwards were just the guys who got the ball close enough to goal to have a shot at goal after an inevitable penalty. Was Almost pointless having a try line lol

Its better now…

There were 44 points scored in the last RWC final and only 10 of them came from tries. Still a moribund sport dictated by rigid officiating and penalty goals. Will forever be a pointless sport only cared about by the most pontificating of private school flogs. One of the best things about living in Melbourne is not having to overhear absolutely unbearable private school w***ers at pubs talking about their meaningless rugby exploits 20+ years ago for whatever overpriced school they went to that made them dress like a MCG tour guide. I mean there are old boys flogs in Melbourne too - but at least they'll talk to you about Aussie Rules.

 

[lyger]

I don't love a best of finals series either, even if the drama of a game 7 is fun to watch - if you are not good enough on the day then you're not good enough to be the premiers - simple as that.

And prior to the league expanding to 18 teams I was already miffed that 50% of the comp got access to the finals. My preference would be for a top 5 in a 16 team competition and maybe a top 6 for an 18 team competition. Sure you get less finals - but invariably you get the cream rising to the top and you get a better finals series over all. I can live with 8 teams making it but opening it up any further just negates the worth of regular season form more and more.

I agree, no more than half the competition in the finals.

If in certain seasons the teams in the eight are locked in 2-3 weeks before the finals (apart from the order of the eight) and we have a few ‘dead rubbers’ I am comfortable with that.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

I don't love a best of finals series either, even if the drama of a game 7 is fun to watch - if you are not good enough on the day then you're not good enough to be the premiers - simple as that.

And prior to the league expanding to 18 teams I was already miffed that 50% of the comp got access to the finals. My preference would be for a top 5 in a 16 team competition and maybe a top 6 for an 18 team competition. Sure you get less finals - but invariably you get the cream rising to the top and you get a better finals series over all. I can live with 8 teams making it but opening it up any further just negates the worth of regular season form more and more.

yeah in general seeding as accurately as possible is always going to be tough because it can simply never account for performance under the pressure of elimination. that's why i don't mind a wildcard as much, i think raising the stakes and pressure will be a better indicator for who performs well in finals over 4-6 points difference in the regular season. the current ranking system isn't bad and doesn't really need shaking up tho, just the pre-finals bye

 

[Dewnior]

Seriously, how does this journo have a job

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Seriously, how does this journo have a job

Why did he post that? Is it a weird joke? I mean I am all for making fun of Bomber Thompson but at least be funny.

 

[Dewnior]

Why did he post that? Is it a weird joke? I mean I am all for making fun of Bomber Thompson but at least be funny.

He obviously got the cup and spoon mixed up.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

If an improbable run from a team finishing 10th with a 10/12 record wins the premiership it would absolute be a farce. If you lose more games than you win or breakeven then you don't deserve to play in finals - and that is going to happen quite a bit if we open the door for teams 9 and 10 to get one final crack at finals when they hadn't been good enough over a 22-23 game season.

A 30 team league would give us 15 games of footy a week to watch - but the quality would likely be dismal. You can have too much of a good thing and I think squeezing more finals out is an example of this. There is already a few dud finals games a year - we don't need more of them by allowing crap teams into the finals.

Agree to disagree then. I think its coming though.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He obviously got the cup and spoon mixed up.

Turns out Bomber is presenting the Jock McHale medal. Absolute joke.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Agree to disagree then. I think its coming though.

Well the AFL are addicted to stupid ideas so no doubt it will be.

 

[Dewnior]

Turns out Bomber is presenting the Jock McHale medal. Absolute joke.

Yep, just like the messenger of the news

 

[cryptor]

Turns out Bomber is presenting the Jock McHale medal. Absolute joke.

Wayne Carey must not have been available.

 

[Off The Couch]

Never change AFL, never change

 

[killerspud]

Seriously, how does this journo have a job

because he comes from one of the most powerful families in the media and his dad is the current president of the Collingwood Football Club

 

[Bugs1977]

Turns out Bomber is presenting the Jock McHale medal. Absolute joke.

Will probably try to hock it at Cash Converters at quarter time