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[moginie]

This is why I fear for us next year.

As always, we will get slugged with Essendon rd 1 who are always up and about whilst we generally start slow.

Our fixture will be BRUTAL. Expect top 4 twice and the usual 6 interstate

Good. Just like 2008. Fremantle round 2. Brisbane round 5. crows round 12. West Coast round 21. All away. We won the lot.

 

[scrim reaper]

Essendon round 1 is an awesome fixture.
Big rivalry, start the year off with a massive crowd and be a part of the round 1 celebrations (hopefully they kill off round 0).

Adds another quasi-marquee fixture for us to enjoy as fans. I really hope it stays.

 

[Holy Rioli]

Who was the clown on our board last week who said some nameless Freo half back flanker with 18 touches would get the rising start nom over Wizard (as a joke to wind us up)?

Karma caught up with their joke when Calsher should have got it this week. Please no more rising star jokes mate.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[DogDaySonny]

Fox Footy cops a lot of citicism. This, however, earns a lot of credits in my book. They have posted Robbo’s meltdown to youtube. Preserved for posterity.

 

[DogDaySonny]

That’s unpossible. They published a report.

 

[Argy]

This is why I fear for us next year.

As always, we will get slugged with Essendon rd 1 who are always up and about whilst we generally start slow.

Our fixture will be BRUTAL. Expect top 4 twice and the usual 6 interstate

But we want a difficult draw. It means we get to play the best and as we found out in our three-peat period, that stands us in good stead during finals.

 

[smish]

Collingwood is facing a fresh racism scandal, with chief executive Craig Kelly accused of joking about putting a “live f***ing possum” in a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal elder a “dumb old bitch”.

In explosive court documents, Kelly is accused of a series of racial slurs and physical assaults by the club’s former head of First Nations strategy Mark Cleaver, a “Palawa person” who was engaged by the Magpies in the wake of the 2021 “Do Better” crisis.

The documents were filed with the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia on Monday.
In addition to the accusations of Indigenous slurs, Mr Cleaver claimed that Kelly also joked about sending a photograph of a ‘Free Palestine’ sign to a Jewish colleague to wind her up.

According to the documents, on February 6, 2024, Mr Kelly and Mr Cleaver met with community, foundation and facilities executive general manager Kerrie Brewer in her office about Collingwood’s community strategy.

During the meeting the need for a “cultural room” was raised, it is alleged in the documents. “We need to get this cultural room launched, (Collingwood president) Jeff (Browne) has been on my arse about it,” Kelly is alleged to have said.

Mr Cleaver told him: “The next step is to go through all the cultural artefacts, with Leon Davis to decide what goes in the room.”

The documents then assert: “Mr Kelly picked up a marngrook (a ball made of possum hair used by Indigenous peoples in Victoria) that was on the desk and said ‘I don’t give a f*** what you put in there, put this shit in there’ and forcefully threw the marngrook at Mr Cleaver.

“The marngrook hit Mr Cleaver, which humiliated them and caused them pain because of the paresthesia caused by their multiple sclerosis.

“Mr Kelly continued talking and said ‘I don’t give a f*** if you put a live f***ing possum in there, just get Jeff and Jodie (Sizer) off my arse’.

Ms Brewer is alleged to have responded by saying: “Great one, Ned (Kelly), that’s not culturally safe.”

The documents state that Kelly then “laughed”, prompting Ms Brewer to comment “not appropriate”.

Kelly is alleged to have then said: “I know it’s inappropriate.”

They also detail how Collingwood met with Indigenous support group Dardi Munwurro on March 18, with the organisation claiming it had not been paid $500,000 promised from CGU sponsorship funds after the “Do Better” racism scandal.

After Kelly said he really cared “about our Indigenous people”, documents assert Indigenous elder Aunty Carol Thorpe said “you don’t say ‘our’, we don’t belong to you”.

As they drove from the meeting in Kelly’s car, the documents allege that the club chief asked: “Who was that old bird?”

After Mr Cleaver told him it was “Aunty Carol” – the wife of Dardi Munwurro chief Alan Thorpe – he claimed: “Kelly laughed and said ‘That dumb old bitch was really angry but I got her to come around’.”

“As they drove back to Collingwood’s office … a free Palestine sign was painted on a building. Mr Kelly said ‘quick take a photo of that, send it to Galit and watch her go off’,” the documents allege.

Kelly was referring to Galit Yaary, who is Collingwood’s executive general manager for people and culture and is Jewish.

It is further alleged in the documents: “About halfway back to the office, on or about High Street or Hoddle Street … an Asian lady was walking across the road nearing the middle of the road. Mr Kelly swerved the car so it passed close by her, yelled “statistic” and laughed.”

In another exchange in his car on March 18, Kelly is alleged to have said to Mr Cleaver: “Why do you need to use google maps? I assume your people can navigate with their eyes closed.”

Earlier during that trip, Mr Cleaver – who documents detail is gay – alleges Mr Kelly told him “we are taking my car; it’s a real man’s car”.

When Mr Cleaver joked that he thought Kelly “flew by helicopter”, he said the club chief called him a “dickhead” and “jabbed” him “forcefully in the shoulder” causing him “to fall backwards”.

The documents were filed as part of an application against Mr Cleaver’s dismissal, in which he’s seeking compensation for “hurt, humiliation and distress and economic loss”.

They also reveal Mr Cleaver made a statement to Victoria Police over Mr Kelly’s “physical assaults” on April 20.

On April 24, Mr Cleaver was told to work from home then was informed two days later during a three-hour meeting with the club that his complaints were not proven.

The live possum comment was “not substantiated”, it was found Mr Kelly “tossed” the marngrook to Mr Cleaver, and his comments about Mr Cleaver’s disability was “acknowledged but not deemed ableist or racist”.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting any of the claims are true, only that they have been made in documents before the court.

Mr Cleaver was suspended on full pay on May 1 after receiving a letter from Mr Browne “setting out allegations against Cleaver”.

On May 6 his employment was terminated, hours after Maurice Blackburn wrote to the club it had been hired to represent Mr Cleaver, who also claims to have made a complaint to the AFL integrity unit on March 25.

The case is listed for a court hearing on August 27.

Mr Cleaver was employed by the club in November 2023 as part of a series of commitments after the “Do Better” scandal and resignation of long-time president Eddie McGuire.

“Do Better” was a secret report which found there was “systemic racism within the Collingwood Football Club that must be addressed if things are to change”.

The damning 35-page independent report, which was kept under wraps by McGuire’s board, said the club’s response to repeated incidents of racism “has been at best ineffective, or at worst exacerbated the impact”.

 

[RoughysMullet]

I haven’t seen this on a news site yet. Anyone know if this is real?

Was always the concern with Stengle- sacked by two clubs for behavioural issues and they’ve come to the surface again here…

 

[DogDaySonny]

Can any one here explain why we know the content of this complaint filed yesterday, including specific events in the complaint, but don’t have anything but a filing number for the complaints against Hawthorn filed on Friday?

 

[NewkTheLot]

Can any one here explain why we know the content of this complaint filed yesterday, including specific events in the complaint, but don’t have anything but a filing number for the complaints against Hawthorn filed on Friday?

The Federal Court (where the Hawthorn claim has been filed) has different / stricter rules around media access to documents than the Federal Circuit Court (where the Collingwood claim has been filed). Non-parties can’t get access to pleadings etc in the Federal Court until the first directions hearing (could be a month or two away) whereas they can access stuff in the Federal Circuit Court pretty much straight away.

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Remember when the AFL gave the Gold Coast by far and away the easiest draw this year on top of their three top 15 academy picks and a coach they're paying for, and they're still going to miss finals?

Dimma working on the other 20% at 4% each year when they fully grow the f*ck up by 2027.

 

[scrim reaper]

FMD I won't even go into the things said being offensive but how dumb do you have to be to make all those jokes to the queer, disabled, Indigenous person in charge of your club's First Nations strategy, that was appointed as part of commitment of the Do Better report.

It cannot be overstated how brazenly reckless that is if you value your own job and reputation in the slightest.

 

[The BIG X]

The Federal Court (where the Hawthorn claim has been filed) has different / stricter rules around media access to documents than the Federal Circuit Court (where the Collingwood claim has been filed). Non-parties can’t get access to pleadings etc in the Federal Court until the first directions hearing (could be a month or two away) whereas they can access stuff in the Federal Circuit Court pretty much straight away.

Thanks for the explanation

 

[Blightys Barrel]

Collingwood is facing a fresh racism scandal, with chief executive Craig Kelly accused of joking about putting a “live f***ing possum” in a special room for Indigenous players and calling an Aboriginal elder a “dumb old bitch”.

In explosive court documents, Kelly is accused of a series of racial slurs and physical assaults by the club’s former head of First Nations strategy Mark Cleaver, a “Palawa person” who was engaged by the Magpies in the wake of the 2021 “Do Better” crisis.

The documents were filed with the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia on Monday.
In addition to the accusations of Indigenous slurs, Mr Cleaver claimed that Kelly also joked about sending a photograph of a ‘Free Palestine’ sign to a Jewish colleague to wind her up.

According to the documents, on February 6, 2024, Mr Kelly and Mr Cleaver met with community, foundation and facilities executive general manager Kerrie Brewer in her office about Collingwood’s community strategy.

During the meeting the need for a “cultural room” was raised, it is alleged in the documents. “We need to get this cultural room launched, (Collingwood president) Jeff (Browne) has been on my arse about it,” Kelly is alleged to have said.

Mr Cleaver told him: “The next step is to go through all the cultural artefacts, with Leon Davis to decide what goes in the room.”

The documents then assert: “Mr Kelly picked up a marngrook (a ball made of possum hair used by Indigenous peoples in Victoria) that was on the desk and said ‘I don’t give a f*** what you put in there, put this shit in there’ and forcefully threw the marngrook at Mr Cleaver.

“The marngrook hit Mr Cleaver, which humiliated them and caused them pain because of the paresthesia caused by their multiple sclerosis.

“Mr Kelly continued talking and said ‘I don’t give a f*** if you put a live f***ing possum in there, just get Jeff and Jodie (Sizer) off my arse’.

Ms Brewer is alleged to have responded by saying: “Great one, Ned (Kelly), that’s not culturally safe.”

The documents state that Kelly then “laughed”, prompting Ms Brewer to comment “not appropriate”.

Kelly is alleged to have then said: “I know it’s inappropriate.”

They also detail how Collingwood met with Indigenous support group Dardi Munwurro on March 18, with the organisation claiming it had not been paid $500,000 promised from CGU sponsorship funds after the “Do Better” racism scandal.

After Kelly said he really cared “about our Indigenous people”, documents assert Indigenous elder Aunty Carol Thorpe said “you don’t say ‘our’, we don’t belong to you”.

As they drove from the meeting in Kelly’s car, the documents allege that the club chief asked: “Who was that old bird?”

After Mr Cleaver told him it was “Aunty Carol” – the wife of Dardi Munwurro chief Alan Thorpe – he claimed: “Kelly laughed and said ‘That dumb old bitch was really angry but I got her to come around’.”

“As they drove back to Collingwood’s office … a free Palestine sign was painted on a building. Mr Kelly said ‘quick take a photo of that, send it to Galit and watch her go off’,” the documents allege.

Kelly was referring to Galit Yaary, who is Collingwood’s executive general manager for people and culture and is Jewish.

It is further alleged in the documents: “About halfway back to the office, on or about High Street or Hoddle Street … an Asian lady was walking across the road nearing the middle of the road. Mr Kelly swerved the car so it passed close by her, yelled “statistic” and laughed.”

In another exchange in his car on March 18, Kelly is alleged to have said to Mr Cleaver: “Why do you need to use google maps? I assume your people can navigate with their eyes closed.”

Earlier during that trip, Mr Cleaver – who documents detail is gay – alleges Mr Kelly told him “we are taking my car; it’s a real man’s car”.

When Mr Cleaver joked that he thought Kelly “flew by helicopter”, he said the club chief called him a “dickhead” and “jabbed” him “forcefully in the shoulder” causing him “to fall backwards”.

The documents were filed as part of an application against Mr Cleaver’s dismissal, in which he’s seeking compensation for “hurt, humiliation and distress and economic loss”.

They also reveal Mr Cleaver made a statement to Victoria Police over Mr Kelly’s “physical assaults” on April 20.

On April 24, Mr Cleaver was told to work from home then was informed two days later during a three-hour meeting with the club that his complaints were not proven.

The live possum comment was “not substantiated”, it was found Mr Kelly “tossed” the marngrook to Mr Cleaver, and his comments about Mr Cleaver’s disability was “acknowledged but not deemed ableist or racist”.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting any of the claims are true, only that they have been made in documents before the court.

Mr Cleaver was suspended on full pay on May 1 after receiving a letter from Mr Browne “setting out allegations against Cleaver”.

On May 6 his employment was terminated, hours after Maurice Blackburn wrote to the club it had been hired to represent Mr Cleaver, who also claims to have made a complaint to the AFL integrity unit on March 25.

The case is listed for a court hearing on August 27.

Mr Cleaver was employed by the club in November 2023 as part of a series of commitments after the “Do Better” scandal and resignation of long-time president Eddie McGuire.

“Do Better” was a secret report which found there was “systemic racism within the Collingwood Football Club that must be addressed if things are to change”.

The damning 35-page independent report, which was kept under wraps by McGuire’s board, said the club’s response to repeated incidents of racism “has been at best ineffective, or at worst exacerbated the impact

FMD I won't even go into the things said being offensive but how dumb do you have to be to make all those jokes to the queer, disabled, Indigenous person in charge of your club's First Nations strategy, that was appointed as part of commitment of the Do Better report.

It cannot be overstated how brazenly reckless that is if you value your own job and reputation in the slightest.

FMD I won't even go into the things said being offensive but how dumb do you have to be to make all those jokes to the queer, disabled, Indigenous person in charge of your club's First Nations strategy, that was appointed as part of commitment of the Do Better report.

It cannot be overstated how brazenly reckless that is if you value your own job and reputation in the slightest.

1:15 min mark of video is interesting - things must have soured in such a short period of time. Claim lodged is so detailed, almost like Kelly was being recorded. I can’t recall what I had for lunch at work yesterday, let alone various meetings. If all of this is true, then he might head down the Eddy path.

International Day of People with a Disability: Staff Spotlight

In just 5 weeks, Mark Cleaver has had tremendous impact in their new role as Head of First Nations Strategy and Programs at Collingwood.

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

 

[killerspud]

FMD I won't even go into the things said being offensive but how dumb do you have to be to make all those jokes to the queer, disabled, Indigenous person in charge of your club's First Nations strategy, that was appointed as part of commitment of the Do Better report.

It cannot be overstated how brazenly reckless that is if you value your own job and reputation in the slightest.

To be fair Craig Kelly isnt the sharpest tool in the shed. He's whats generally known as a ****wit

 

[Ned Ryerson]

If all of this is true, then he might head down the Eddy path.

He’s going to go on radio and liken an Indigenous person to King Kong?

 

[grumbleguts]

GG

Is dominatrix a portmanteau of dominance and matrix?

Good god, you've cracked the code!

 

[Buzz Hawk]

Well Ned sounds like a swell guy.
FMD.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Well Ned sounds like a swell guy.
FMD.

You just have to get to know me.

 

[Kuuz]

 

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AFL Blind Captain Ned Brewer Maiga after the Hawks 15 point victory

 

[H00t]

Reid breaks a crazy number of tackles for a first year player. We’ve also got two in the top 10 and Day would most likely be right up there if not for the games he missed.

 

[bigmaxi]

September 4 th 20 year anniversary, it’s been in my diary all year

 

[grumbleguts]

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Reid breaks a crazy number of tackles for a first year player. We’ve also got two in the top 10 and Day would most likely be right up there if not for the games he missed.

Day is also not there because he doesn't get tackled. He evades so many.