General MFC Discussion 2.0

[TheCount]

With all due respect in return, largely because he turned up fat, got injured, got suspended, got boozed, got injured again and has only played 4 ******* games.

Look, I think he’s a very good player and will work out well - but if I’m captain I’m thinking about supporting all players in the side and fostering team harmony (and healthy competitiveness).

Frost is going along quite well at the moment and deserves to be treated with respect (everyone does). May isn’t in a position to be pushing those boundaries yet.

Or he turned up in a similar standard of fitness which his previous club deemed acceptable, got injured due to poor management like the other 50% of our list, got suspended based on reputation rather than actual evidence (a suspension you'd get for concussing a player, without the player actually being concussed) had a couple of beers on a Sunday afternoon like a normal human, and got injured again due to poor management like the other 60% of our list ... more than one way to skin a cat and all that.

As for Frosty, I love that crazy bastard, but he's hardly been in a technically flawless backline for even a millisecond of his football career. Given the collective screaming of the supporter based as the constant spoils back to dangerous space, and every ****ing defender jumping to spoil while half the opposition forwards wait out the back, thank **** someone has decided to actually speak up about it.

 

[TheDarkDwarf]

How do you know that he was being constructive? He could have been hurling every insult he could think of at him for all we know.

His team mates obviously didn’t think he was being constructive or they wouldn’t have intervened.

He could have just made his point and shut up. Instead, he kept carrying on and humiliating him.

I accept that everyone is different and you can’t expect a whole team of saints. May let his anger get the better of him. It’s not a hanging offence. It’s obviously part and parcel of who he is.

But what he did was wrong and it shouldn’t be defended.

I find this discussion on the whole very interesting. On what basis do you think that May was being over the top, and how was Frost humiliated?

Is this incident not simply a metaphor of our team, in regard to what I feel is a lack of on field leadership, and what might appear to be a very poor approach to how our team is being coached? Maybe May was saying gezzz Frosty have you not been taught to punch towards the boundary line instead of back into the centre? It’s very basic!

And then Frosty says c’mon Maisie, this is Melbourne, I have been taught nothing. And Maisie says; carrying on with the discussion, well just wait until I am the back line coach mate, I will sort you all out!

Just a little banter between mates! And there should be a damn sight more of it, drain the plug on the bathwater for god sakes!

 

[Topkent]

Or he turned up in a similar standard of fitness which his previous club deemed acceptable, got injured due to poor management like the other 50% of our list, got suspended based on reputation rather than actual evidence (a suspension you'd get for concussing a player, without the player actually being concussed) had a couple of beers on a Sunday afternoon like a normal human, and got injured again due to poor management like the other 60% of our list ... more than one way to skin a cat and all that.

As for Frosty, I love that crazy bastard, but he's hardly been in a technically flawless backline for even a millisecond of his football career. Given the collective screaming of the supporter based as the constant spoils back to dangerous space, and every ******* defender jumping to spoil while half the opposition forwards wait out the back, thank **** someone has decided to actually speak up about it.

This is key, I might be Frosts biggest supporter but he makes some weird ass decisions sometimes. May pulled him up on a stupid spoil and Frost corrected it the very next passage. If that's not successful then I'm not sure what is

 

[Demon 16]

What a load of nonsense.
Being a captain is about getting the best out of everyone, if May was walking around screaming at everyone then sure it's an issue but he picked his mark. Delivered his feedback and Frost immediately responded in the next bit of play. Have you ever seen Nathan Jones or Jack Viney do that? No. There is no set amount of time games you need to play to be a leader

I suspect that we partially disagree on ways to get the best out of others.

Hopefully it worked.

 

[Fork n Hell]

my take on it is, if you've been selected in the team, then you have earned the right to give critical feedback to your team mates in that game, no matter how many games you've played with them. its a team sport, if they don't like it then that's tough luck. when May next stuffs up I hope Frost busts his balls back and doesn't go easy on him just because he's only played 4 games.

 

[Topkent]

I suspect that we partially disagree on ways to get the best out of others.

Hopefully it worked.

There is no such thing as a blanket way to get the best out of people

 

[Demon 16]

Or he turned up in a similar standard of fitness which his previous club deemed acceptable, got injured due to poor management like the other 50% of our list, got suspended based on reputation rather than actual evidence (a suspension you'd get for concussing a player, without the player actually being concussed) had a couple of beers on a Sunday afternoon like a normal human, and got injured again due to poor management like the other 60% of our list ... more than one way to skin a cat and all that.

As for Frosty, I love that crazy bastard, but he's hardly been in a technically flawless backline for even a millisecond of his football career. Given the collective screaming of the supporter based as the constant spoils back to dangerous space, and every ******* defender jumping to spoil while half the opposition forwards wait out the back, thank **** someone has decided to actually speak up about it.

I have no problem with May challenging Frost (or Frost challenging in return) - I’m just making the point that if I was captain, I would be telling May to ensure his best judgement when interacting with teammates in this manner.

 

[Demon 16]

There is no such thing as a blanket way to get the best out of people

I agree with you on that.

Still not convinced that Mays done enough to be brought into the leadership group yet.

 

[space_cowboy]

Having not heard it, you'd still be making assumptions on its delivery. That's your interpretation of the body language, something not shared by the majority given the general response in this thread.

I couldn’t say what the majority think, but I’d hate to think that I’d change my opinion of what’s right or wrong just because I was in the minority. That’s just piss weak.

I haven’t made any assumptions on its delivery, just the same observations that everyone else who watched the match did.

 

[Topkent]

I agree with you on that.

Still not convinced that Mays done enough to be brought into the leadership group yet.

There's no arbitrary measure of leadership you either are or aren't. Considering blokes recommend Salem or Gawn be captain because they kick the ball well and are funny I'm surprised some people aren't more supportive of some actual leadership

 

[Ando727]

This is key, I might be Frosts biggest supporter but he makes some weird ass decisions sometimes. May pulled him up on a stupid spoil and Frost corrected it the very next passage. If that's not successful then I'm not sure what is

Believe it or not, mate, I totally agree with you on this. I just think he was entitled to one rant, and one rant only. You're right, he pulled Frosty up on what he did, and it got the desired result. I'm just saying May didn't need to ride his ass all day, and that he hasn't got the respect points in the bank yet. He's not even in the leadership group, is he? I'm all for an honesty based meritocracy, but we don't need a self-appointed backline dictator. Who's going to pull up May when he's being a dick? He'll be all like "f*** off Frosty", then he'll go whack somebody. May is a very good player, but he does not have a cool head. It shouldn't come to the point where teammates are separating May and Frost. Just say your piece and get on with it. Hope that clarifies my position.

 

[djpaulydemon]

To me, it looked like Frost wasn't having a bar of what May was saying initially, so May persisted.

Which was the correct thing to do, because Frost's spoil was terrible and our defenders often do that and all do it at once in a pack. Our ground ball wins in D50 and opponent scores from inside 50's have been shocking this year so any player adressing that with on field leadership is doing the right thing.

 

[Topkent]

Believe it or not, mate, I totally agree with you on this. I just think he was entitled to one rant, and one rant only. You're right, he pulled Frosty up on what he did, and it got the desired result. I'm just saying May didn't need to ride his ass all day, and that he hasn't got the respect points in the bank yet. He's not even in the leadership group, is he? I'm all for an honesty based meritocracy, but we don't need a self-appointed backline dictator. Who's going to pull up May when he's being a dick? He'll be all like "f*** off Frosty", then he'll go whack somebody. May is a very good player, but he does not have a cool head. It shouldn't come to the point where teammates are separating May and Frost. Just say your piece and get on with it. Hope that clarifies my position.

It went for the 3tr time break so 4 minutes? Plus it was animated for 2 and then it looked like they were amicable walking back to position. Then May gave him a big hand slap after the next contest. Brought him down and then got around him.

I agree with djpaulydemon it looked like Frost didn't want to hear it at first and May continued till frost acknowledged the feed back. If Frost had of listened the first time it very well could have ended earlier.

 

[Demon 16]

Anyone who can’t see that May was being a campaigner and hasnt earnt his stripes should just stop.

If you can’t understand this, then leave.

 

[Topkent]

Anyone who can’t see that May was being a campaigner and hasnt earnt his stripes should just stop.

If you can’t understand this, then leave.

You have no idea who has and hasn't earnt their stripes

 

[Demon 16]

You have no idea who has and hasn't earnt their stripes

Sucked in.

When you get demonstrative, you don’t get results.

 

[Topkent]

Sucked in.

When you get demonstrative, you don’t get results.

Rubbish. Being a boss and/or a leader isn't about being everyone's best friend

 

[SugarHealey]

But what he did was wrong and it shouldn’t be defended.

Oh, I disagree.

His team mates obviously didn’t think he was being constructive or they wouldn’t have intervened.

Very little intervening, especially from the senior players.
More-so the younger ones who are more PC, than older heads who've been around more.

He could have just made his point and shut up. Instead, he kept carrying on and humiliating him.

I think he wanted to make a real statement to Frosty, and seems the point got thru.
Many footy commentators reflected that the punch by Frosty was back into play, in dangerous territory.

This club has to lift its footy standards, which includes straight, and blunt feedback. If some players are too sensitive to wear that, then they are in the wrong business.

I think your last sentence is more about your own discomfort seeing this chat happen, than about Frosty & May.

 

[jhong]

I was , like most i suspect watching on TV , and the 2 things i noticed was Jones , you know the Capt walk straight past May and Frost and want nothing to do with what was going on , the second was it appeared that is was Oliver that started waving at May to end the discussion . Like every one here i have no idea what was said ,nor do i care . It won't kill Frost to once in a while actually think about what he is doing out there , as much as i like his random eccentricity.
Storm in a tea cup as the saying goes .

 

[PerfectFooty]

Any of you guys want Misso's job? I don't think we're getting darren burgess from the sounds of it

Position no longer available - Applications Closed

 

[jhong]

Any of you guys want Misso's job? I don't think we're getting darren burgess from the sounds of it

Position no longer available - Applications Closed

Don't they have to advertise the job anyway , whether they already have someone or not ?

 

[Tulip]

it went on a bit too long, but I liked it. Luke Hodge would have several conversations like that a week.

Agree. A bit long but the commentary was bloody tedious. Hodge gave Rayner a pretty big rev.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Don't they have to advertise the job anyway , whether they already have someone or not ?

Yeah. Esp as a NFP you have to advertise pretty much everything.

 

[Ando727]

Yeah. Esp as a NFP you have to advertise pretty much everything.

There are some pretty obvious exceptions though. Coaching staff, for example. Club doctor?

 

[Grimesy87]

Liked it a lot, that’s a bit of a self-indictment on Jones’ part though.

Nathan Jones will go down an out and out legend of the mfc, one of our top 10 from the past 50 years...

And that is an indictment on the mfc... a solid footballer who's managed to get the best out of his body and himself, but great leader he isn't.

May will be a great leader, he probably won't be captain but if he calls a spade a spade and it improves some of these blokes from picking and choosing when to give effort, we will be better off.

We also have another bloke sitting in the stands who of he gets his body right will be an unbelievable leader too..