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Thanks DTC.
Who did the write up?
I have Williams as a top 15 talent in this draft and I wouldn't be shocked if he went a lot higher than people are projecting.
It seems some people just can't separate talent and production. Talent is not the only thing recruiters go off because you can have all the talent in the world but if you don't produce on the field it doesn't count for much.
In relation to Williams his talent absolutely can't be questioned. Except his kicking for goal which is highly suspect and sometimes so poor they don't even spin. However, his issue is that with his size, strength and his aforementioned athleticism his has failed to dominate junior footy on a regular basis like he should have. Not only that he has gone missing on a regular basis.
No one is questioning his talent but the people on here who seem to love him so much just refuse to acknowledge his weaknesses and I just don't understand why.
I'm not exactly a Williams hater I just don't think he's top 10-20 material based on his output, a high end key forward with a senior body averages more than 1.7 goals a game against mostly skinny kids in the TAC Cup especially with their restricted zone rules.
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I see this article links the Hawks with their first pick at 53 with Bailey Williams...
Seriously, they would've had two years of absolute steals with Williams and Worpel if this happens.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-21/your-clubs-first-pick-whos-in-the-mix
Seriously, they would've had two years of absolute steals with Williams and Worpel if this happens.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-21/your-clubs-first-pick-whos-in-the-mix
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If he IS that talented then most clubs would bet on being able to "fix" his other deficiencies.
He will also get fitter and stronger in an AFL club environment.
That sort of talent can't be taught, but skills can.
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I really liked Worpel last year and would have drafted him as high as 12.
Sam Hayes is a decent prospect who's lack of cardio cost him 20+ places in the last draft (ended up at 47)
Williams is superior to Hayes in just about every facet of football and I'm terms of a physical profile.
I can see Williams in that 10-30 bracket and I personally doubt that he will drop much further than the late second.
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I've acknowledged that his goalkicking is average at best on multiple occasions.
He's a damn good prospect regardless and will probably be a ruckman at AFL level.
I find it strange that people are making claims that people are overlooking his weaknesses, no one has overlooked anything.
Knowing how to find the footy is one of the skills that I believe really can't be taught. Either you read the game well or you don't. His issue is that he already has a better fitter stronger advantage at junior level than he will ever have in the AFL and doesn't dominate.
You never mention his lack of production or the fact that he routinely spills simple marks.
I think you have to look at the potential he has to play at the higher level and less on how the stats look at the lower level..sure accumulators at a lower level do it at a higher level etc.... I guess id say if we look at Schache or someone else who went well at the lower level ..one has to determine if they are capable of playing their game at the next level. ... Be worth having on the list but obviously no certain success... id agree that he is probably not top20 on his output.
imo..if anyone gets him for a Sav type pick they are getting a real upside bargain
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Will get better as he learns to manage and coordinate that big frame,he reminds me of a gangly pup that falls over tying to **** his leg on a post,I'm backing him in, I hope it's with us.
so how many list spots does this leave us?
Shattered, didn't think menzel warranted delisting
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Shattered for Menzel.
**** sake Geelong!!!!!
**** sake Geelong!!!!!
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Neither could really help us, but makes the Rohan decision more perplexing.
Just keep either of the younger and superior players in Menzel and Murdoch instead of chasing Rohan.
Just keep either of the younger and superior players in Menzel and Murdoch instead of chasing Rohan.
Hope the defense is going to hold. Tackling outweighs goals apparently??
3 traded (McCarthy, Thurlow, GHS), 7 delisted (Crameri, House, Gregson, Black, Gardner, Menzel, Murdoch, Hayball)
IN: Kreuger, Dalhaus, Rohan, Orkunbor, Picks 12, 50, 59, 60, 70, 87, 105
Looks like 39 spots taken without counting draft picks (including rookies in/rookies out)
I'm really surprised about Menzel, I was sure the club would offer him a 1 year contract.
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