Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 3

[cats_09]

Here's 2024 Provisional AFL Draft Order

Cheers to Lore for their hard work in setting this up, and making it available for all users on BF to use and keep track of the picks ahead of the upcoming draft - and please practice patience grasshoppers if it's not updated in the immediate aftermath of completed trade





I'll also sticky this post to ensure it's easily accessible for discussion of our hypothetical trader


Also,

2024 Free Agency Period​

The AFL introduced free agency at the end of the 2012 season, giving players another vehicle where they can transfer from one club to another. Free agency is a common form of player movement in major football and sporting codes around the world.

Free Agency Opens: Friday October 4 at 9.00am
Free Agency Closes: Friday October 11 at 5.00pm

Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period​

Trade Period Opens: Monday October 7 at 9.00am
Trade Period Closes: Wednesday October 16 at 7.30pm

 

[SkittleCats]

The Doggies have every write not to make a trade and have Smith need to go into the draft if they choose to lose him for nothing.

That’s the rules and they don’t have to trade him to us.

Sure… they’d get zero for him and it would be ridiculous, but they can do it if they want.

Going the AFLPA route is like calling out to your mum when someone rightfully hangs shit in you.

The Dogs dont have any right to send him to the draft, they dont have any rights over an uncontracted player. But for some reason, we require that even an uncontracted player has to be traded to another club. That contradiction is a hold over from the amateur days of this sport. If the Dogs had any right over the player then he wouldnt go to the draft in the first place in the absence of a trade being found. The reason we send players to the draft is precisely because the Dogs have lost any "rights" to that player.

It also isnt "running to mum" and im not sure why you would say that? it's a fairly dumb take, this isnt the school yard, despite what you hear on SEN. We wouldnt be going to anybody, it would be the AFL/AFLPA stepping in to prevent a much more embarrassing situation to develop if a club does choose to roll the dice. In the professional era of salary caps, free agency and player movement the game cant have a player who does not have a contract be forced into a situation where he either is a) redrafted to the club he has elected to leave or b) gets drafted to a club he has no desire to be at. At which point he is either forced to a) accept a worse/less valuable contract to keep playing or b) he has to basically sit out a year because he cant/wont agree to a new but worse contract, only to then go through the whole situation again the following year. That situation alones makes a complete mockery of the salary cap if nothing else.

Smith is uncontracted and has a 6 year deal infront of him at Geelong which he has said he wants to sign. In any other professional sport around the world that would be enough for the move to happen, as Smith, if he was playing in those sports, would be a Free Agent the second his contract was allowed to expire. The notion that we need to trade for him at this stage is ridiculous, and if the Dogs push it as far as the draft then i really do think the AFL would step in.

If the Dogs pushed it to sending him to the draft without there being a certain outcome anyway, and he gets drafted by a club other than us, it creates an untenable situation for the AFL, as it totally exposes a huge flaw in our contract and free agency rules. It may even open the AFL up to litigation from Smith and his management and/or the AFLPA (not a legal expert though). A situation they will want to avoid at all costs.

In a more mature AFL, this rule would be eliminated, and Smith would be a Free Agent now. As in a more mature system, youd either extend him or trade him while he still has time to run on his old deal. You wouldnt "hold players to contracts" simply because you can trade them anyway once those contracts expire. From a player welfare perspective alone that situation should not be allowed to happen.

 

[Gazza Greatness]

The Dogs dont have any right to send him to the draft, they dont have any rights over an uncontracted player. But for some reason, we require that even an uncontracted player has to be traded to another club. That contradiction is a hold over from the amateur days of this sport. If the Dogs had any right over the player then he wouldnt go to the draft in the first place in the absence of a trade being found. The reason we send players to the draft is precisely because the Dogs have lost any "rights" to that player.

It also isnt "running to mum" and im not sure why you would say that? it's a fairly dumb take, this isnt the school yard, despite what you hear on SEN. We wouldnt be going to anybody, it would be the AFL/AFLPA stepping in to prevent a much more embarrassing situation to develop if a club does choose to roll the dice. In the professional era of salary caps, free agency and player movement the game cant have a player who does not have a contract be forced into a situation where he either is a) redrafted to the club he has elected to leave or b) gets drafted to a club he has no desire to be at. At which point he is either forced to a) accept a worse/less valuable contract to keep playing or b) he has to basically sit out a year because he cant/wont agree to a new but worse contract, only to then go through the whole situation again the following year. That situation alones makes a complete mockery of the salary cap if nothing else.

Smith is uncontracted and has a 6 year deal infront of him at Geelong which he has said he wants to sign. In any other professional sport around the world that would be enough for the move to happen, as Smith, if he was playing in those sports, would be a Free Agent the second his contract was allowed to expire. The notion that we need to trade for him at this stage is ridiculous, and if the Dogs push it as far as the draft then i really do think the AFL would step in.

If the Dogs pushed it to sending him to the draft without there being a certain outcome anyway, and he gets drafted by a club other than us, it creates an untenable situation for the AFL, as it totally exposes a huge flaw in our contract and free agency rules. It may even open the AFL up to litigation from Smith and his management and/or the AFLPA (not a legal expert though). A situation they will want to avoid at all costs.

In a more mature AFL, this rule would be eliminated, and Smith would be a Free Agent now. As in a more mature system, youd either extend him or trade him while he still has time to run on his old deal. You wouldnt "hold players to contracts" simply because you can trade them anyway once those contracts expire. From a player welfare perspective alone that situation should not be allowed to happen.

It's so unfortunate we have all this ballyhoo nonsense going on, even by the clubs themselves. Bailey Smith by trade completion with be a Geelong player and everyone who has 'half a brain' knows that, it just comes down to what picks, nothing more, nothing less and that's up to Geelong and Western Bulldogs to sort out.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I truly do laugh at some of the commentary from fans, bulldogs or other clubs. The notion that we're stupid to play chicken with this trade with the backdrop of entering one of the two drafts.

If that's the case we miss out on a player that'd help us, but are no worse off than we were when we played our last match.
WB on the other hand lose a player for nothing. We hold the upper hand here, everyone knows it. Trying to highlight Kelly and Ratugolea is irrelevant. No question both clubs overpaid for what they received. Doesn't mean we have to choose to the same.

Also many struggling with the concepts of our recent trading. The notion that we should be fair.
Fair is a rolling scale and in recent seasons we have taken a more hardline approach. I dare say Mackie and co don't apologise for driving hard bargains both with incoming and outgoing players.

 

[dudusmaximus]

I can't blame him, things are so going slow that I was thinking of starting a new series "Highlights of our list cloggers 2010-2019" but then I remembered that I had to work a real job to go to so I don't really have the energy.

On the flip side, they will be short vids ..

 

[Two Planks]

The only certainty if Smith goes to the draft is the bulldogs don't have a first round pick in a strong draft and get zero for a good player. The deal will get done.

 

[Bald]

It's commitment to the cause for sure.

Both Bald and yourself prove that if we all just act like adults everyone gets along fine.

Unfortunately, there's a few on both sides in that thread who never got that memo, and just go full BigFooty list manager.

Everyone knows you never go full BigFooty list manager.

The way I deal with slightly less than favourable people on this website (and I'm no saint, I'm sure somebody could pull up logs of mine over the 8 years I've been on the website that I'm not proud of):

When you walk through the shopping centre and you walk past somebody that just isn't all there, whether that's due to their own choices or unfortunate natural selection - just know these people can buy a phone.

 

[fpm84]

The only certainty if Smith goes to the draft is the bulldogs don't have a first round pick in a strong draft and get zero for a good player. The deal will get done.

It's highly likely that the bulk of the deal has already been agreed on by the two clubs but we won't know for another week - 'trade period' is an entertainment event with the final hours broadcast live on TV, I have no doubt the deal won't be signed off on until that period.

 

[iameviljez]

Gee the Bulldogs board trading thread is a train wreck. Posters wanting Smith to be sent to the draft, some saying delist then re-draft him so he'll receive low wages, even dickhead Port fans saying they hope he gets sent to the PSD like they did with Nick Stevens.

Like a jilted ex-lover, the lot of them, but with a lot of deep-seated Geelong scarring.

It’s normal, we had plenty of melts when Kelly wanted out