Gillard ends discriminatory asylum policy Part II

[mantis]

get yours stats right when you post, china and india are now the major countries where migrants come from, uk follows them , ( uk are not 50%, more likely 10%), hardly and migrants come from other european countries , majority are now from asia, phillipines vietnam korea, etc ,

Definitely year 6.

 

[richmonds]

Definitely year 6.

look cant you come up with something better than that, when anyone on this forum of a differing political persuasion than the left leaning, pulls you up that you may be wrong with your quote, you dont answer or address it, you get personal ,

 

[Malifice]

get yours stats right when you post, china and india are now the major countries where migrants come from, uk follows them , ( uk are not 50%, more likely 10%), hardly and migrants come from other european countries , majority are now from asia, phillipines vietnam korea, etc ,

Youre forgetting the Kiwis. Screw the Indian and Chinese migrants; the Kiwis have them both covered.

In the 2011–12 financial year 60,293 New Zealand citizens came to Australia as permanent and long-term arrivals.

http://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/17nz.htm#d

Compared to 29,000 from India, and 25,000 from China.

A further 25,000 came from the UK, 5,000 from Ireland and 7,000 from South Africa.

Not many 'Taliban' amongst that lot.

There is also this:

The 2011 Census showed that over one in four of Australia's 22 million people were born overseas. The number of settlers arriving in Australia from more than 200 countries between July 2008 and June 2009 totalled 158 021. Most were born in New Zealand (16.2 per cent), the United Kingdom (13.6 per cent), India (10.9 per cent), China (10.0 per cent) and South Africa (4.6 per cent).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

You have a problem with migration? Start hurling bricks at your local Kiwi.

 

[R00StaR]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3442/belgium-islamic-state

No this is impossible ive been told by ******able sources on this site

The reporter interjected: "An Islamic State in Belgium?" Ahrouch replied: "In Belgium, of course! I am for the Sharia. Islamic law, I am for it. It is a long-term struggle that will take decades or a century, but the movement has been launched."

This elected Muslim is suffering from Islamophobia.

 

[Malifice]

This elected Muslim is suffering from Islamophobia.

Not sure you know what Islamophobia is yet mate.

Pray tell, how is this guy any different from Fred Nile and the CDP, or similar Christian Right politicians in the USA?

Different religion, same shit filled bucket.

If the Christian Fundies like Nile cant get a Christian Theocracy up and running in Christian dominant nations, what makes you think that the Muslims are gonna be able to pull it off?

You reckon Belgians are gonna vote for a Theocratic Islamic State?

 

[R00StaR]

Not sure you know what Islamophobia is yet mate.

Pray tell, how is this guy any different from Fred Nile and the CDP, or similar Christian Right politicians in the USA?

Different religion, same shit filled bucket.

If the Christian Fundies like Nile cant get a Christian Theocracy up and running in Christian dominant nations, what makes you think that the Muslims are gonna be able to pull it off?

You reckon Belgians are gonna vote for a Theocratic Islamic State?

Not sure you can get your head out of your own arse yet

 

[Malifice]

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3442/belgium-islamic-state

The 'Gatestone institute' hey?

In late April, Geert Wilders arrived in New York City to tell his quixotic tale to a rapt American audience. The far-right Dutch Party of Freedom leader—perhaps the world’s most prominent anti-Muslim populist—was poised to release Marked for Death: Islam’s War Against the West and Me, a memoir just out from Regnery, the right-wing US publishing house, in which he recounts his courageous efforts to stop the “Islamicization” of Europe.

Upon Wilders’s arrival in New York, a little-known think tank called the Gatestone Institute rolled out the red carpet for him. On April 30, before a select crowd that according to Gatestone’s website had paid $10,000 a head, he held forth on the persecution he had endured during his recent trial for incitement to hatred and discrimination.

In Wilders’s world, the Jewish state represents Fort Apache on the frontiers of the war against the barbarians threatening Western civilization. “Mothers in the West can sleep safely because Israeli mothers at night worry about their sons in the army,” he told the Gatestone Institute. “Their fight is our fight. We should support it.”

At the April event, Wilders’s seamless fusion of anti-Muslim bombast and pro-Israel cant was gratefully received by the Gatestone Institute’s founder and director, Nina Rosenwald, whom he acknowledged at the top of his jeremiad as another of his good friends. An heiress to the Sears Roebuck fortune, Rosenwald spreads her millions through the William Rosenwald Family Fund, a nonprofit foundation named for her father, a famed Jewish philanthropist who created the United Jewish Appeal in 1939. His daughter’s focus is more explicitly political. According to a report by the Center for American Progress titled “Fear Inc.,” Rosenwald and her sister Elizabeth Varet, who also directs the family foundation, have donated more than $2.8 million since 2000 to “organizations that fan the flames of Islamophobia.”

Besides funding a Who’s Who of anti-Muslim outfits, Rosenwald has served on the board of AIPAC, the central arm of America’s Israel lobby, and holds leadership roles in a host of mainstream pro-Israel organizations. As groups like AIPAC lead the charge for a US military strike on the Islamic Republic of Iran, threatening to turn apocalyptic visions of civilizational warfare into catastrophic reality, Rosenwald’s wealth has fueled a rapidly emerging alliance between the pro-Israel mainstream and the Islamophobic fringe. (In 2003 alone the Rosenwald Family Fund donated well over half of its $1.6 million in total contributions to pro-Israel and Islamophobic organizations.)

This alliance serves to sanitize and legitimize professional anti-Muslim bigots like Wilders, allowing their ideas to mingle easily with those of neoconservative foreign policy heavyweights intent on promoting the appearance of a convergence between US and Israeli interests by invoking the specter of a common “Islamofascist” enemy. With Gatestone—which publicizes the writings of figures ranging from pro-Israel super-lawyer Alan Dershowitz to “counter-jihad” propagandist Robert Spencer, and boasts Harold Rhode, a neoconservative former Pentagon official credited, as a senior fellow, with helping to try to push the Bush administration to invade Iraq—Rosenwald has attempted to shift the alliance into overdrive...

http://www.alternet.org/story/155895/meet_the_sugar_mama_of_anti-muslim_hate

No agenda there. Might as well post articles from Stormfront.

And to think I get criticised for using Wikipedia as a source.

 

[Malifice]

Not sure you can get your head out of your own arse yet

I know the Far Right find it hard to argue against logic, evidence and facts without resorting to with their usual tactics of demagoguery, blind hate and populism, but instead of just hurling insults you could have at least tried.

 

[mantis]

Not sure you can get your head out of your own arse yet

So you can't answer his questions, not surprised.

 

[mantis]

The 'Gatestone institute' hey?



http://www.alternet.org/story/155895/meet_the_sugar_mama_of_anti-muslim_hate

No agenda there. Might as well post articles from Stormfront.

And to think I get criticised for using Wikipedia as a source.

Some already do.

 

[Moo]

You have a problem with migration? Start hurling bricks at your local Kiwi.

Sweet as bro

 

[Malifice]

Sweet as bro

I just want to establish that I wasnt being serious there.

We love our Kiwi brothers.

But seriously, theyre leaking 70,000 a year to Australia alone out of a population of what... 4 million?

Be none left in New Zealand in a few years at that rate.

 

[R00StaR]

I know the Far Right find it hard to argue against logic, evidence and facts without resorting to with their usual tactics of demagoguery, blind hate and populism, but instead of just hurling insults you could have at least tried.

Ive been studying the the tactics of the left. Look around who is so fast to label people, racists, bigots, fascist, haters of some sort - its a game mastered by the left and their cultural marxism - political correctness. He who attacks the site rather than the contents - more magical slight of hand and you want me to give you the time of day? Why would i bother answering your BS anyone with half a brain can see the difference between Christendom (more recently known as the West) and Islamic shitholes.

 

[Malifice]

Look around who is so fast to label people, racists, bigots, fascist, haters of some sort - its a game mastered by the left and their cultural marxism - political correctness.

Reread the last few pages of the thread. I agree with you partly here.

Although in your case, racist bigotted fascist kinda fits.

He who attacks the site rather than the contents - more magical slight of hand and you want me to give you the time of day?

Im not attacking the site. Im questioning the bias of the site. Its funded by a pro Israel /pro Judaism wealthy political lobbyist with a clear and unequivocal hatred of Islam and Arabic nations, and an agenda to agitiate for an invasion of Iran and persecution of Islam, posing as a moderate pro democracy news outlet.

Id have the same concerns if it was funded by the KKK.

Why would i bother answering your BS anyone with half a brain can see the difference between Christendom (more recently known as the West) and Islamic shitholes.

Christendom now? Cultural Marxism?

Youre sounding more like your lovechild Brevik every day.

You really think that there is a secret consipracy by intellectuals and politicians to 'subvert the West' into an Islamic Theocracy (for some as yet unexplained reason), and fully believe you (and the minority of psychopaths like you such as Brevik and Wilders) are the minority voice of reasoned debate?

What a sad and lonely existence you must lead.

Makes your obvious adoration of Brevik even more chilling.

 

[R00StaR]

And there he goes again with leftist tactics, smear me by making up lies and links with Brevik, who you're so fond of bring up. Yes id be concerned too if the Democrat slave owning socialist KKK party were pushing their agenda too.

Edit: Yes i read the last few pages, strikes me you dont want to lose the weapons potency by having it used to much.

 

[Malifice]

And there he goes again with leftist tactics, smear me by making up lies and links with Brevik, who you're so fond of bring up.

Youve previously posted tacit support for Anders Brevic. I can dig up the posts for you if you want?

And what 'lies' are you referring too exactly?

Yes id be concerned too if the Democrat slave owning socialist KKK party were pushing their agenda too.

The KKK are socialists now?

Shakes head.

 

[R00StaR]

Youve previously posted tacit support for Anders Brevic. I can dig up the posts for you if you want?

And what 'lies' are you referring too exactly?

Ive said he has some legitimate points, but go ahead and show where ive supported the actions of Brevic. This is the smear and lies, you paint it that i support what he did its a down right dirty tactic and says more about you than it does of me.

 

[Malifice]

Ive said he has some legitimate points, but go ahead and show where ive supported the actions of Brevic.

Akin to supporting Hitlers Nazi race ideology and antisemitism, but denouncing the Holocaust.

You dont see any issue with the fact that you share the same views as a psychopath?

There is really no disconnect there for you?

 

[Malifice]

Edit: Yes i read the last few pages, strikes me you dont want to lose the weapons potency by having it used to much.

What 'weapon'?

I call a spade a spade. I didnt think Xsess said anything overtly racist. I still dont.

You on the other hand have posted unabashed and express Islamophobic, Xenophobic and Ultra Nationalist messages.

Repeatedly.

Ive yet to hear you make a claim that Arabs (or any other particular ethnicity) are inherently shit (like many 'New Right' nutters you frame your contempt and calls for persecution based on 'cultural' grounds rather than inherent biological ones), so I'll let you off the racist hook, but I wouldnt exactly be blown away to find out you are one.

 

[Grin]

Thought this interview of Julian Burnside was really interesting.

mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2012/11/lnl_20121127_2220.mp3

 

[richmonds]

So you can't answer his questions, not surprised.

youve got a ****ing cheek to say that, people raise points , then you carry on what limited education their got, as for stormfront , thats a will long draw isnt it , because people dont agree with you , all you do is deflect, deflect, this forum is really quite ****ed, dealing with the likes of you and upton, etc, ( why dont you all just wank each other off and be done with it ) you self congradulate each other all the time , ps i'll stick to football forum where hopefully fewer w***ers

 

[tazzietiger]

Gillard is getting praise from asylum seekers in Indonesia.

ASYLUM seekers in Indonesia have swung into party mode and labelled Julia Gillard a "hero" after learning they will receive welfare payments and rent assistance should they make it to Australia by boat.
The wannabe citizens are ecstatic the government has conceded detention centres are beyond maximum capacity and that asylum seekers would need to be released into the community while their applications for refugee status were processed.
However the asylum seekers, based in Puncak, 80km from Jakarta, said they feared Liberal leader Tony Abbott would be successful in his bid to become prime minister.
"Mr Abbott is not good for refugees and asylum seekers, he does not like us, he is not really a nice man," said Zia Haidari, a 25-year-old Afghanistan man who has attempted - unsuccessfully - to travel to Australia by boat seven times.
"Ms Gillard seems to understand how we feel and is trying her best.
"Abdulah Sulamani, 41, heaped praise on Ms Gillard: "She is a hero, you are lucky to have this woman for your country."
Solo mother Fatemeh Khavari, 30, told News Ltd she did not have enough money saved to travel by boat to Australia and had spent time living homeless and hungry in Indonesia with her six-month-old son.
Labor's announcement was music to her ears.
"If I can get this free money and house when I come to Australia this will make life very easy for me," Ms Khavari said.
"It is very hard right now for us, I cannot afford to buy milk formula, we are very hungry. Me and my child need the generosity of the Australian people.
"If that doesn't happen my baby may die."
Ms Khavari - whose reasons fleeing Iran were "private" - said the other factor to draw her towards Australia was free medical care.
"I cannot afford to have vaccinations for my baby so I can get this in Australia.
"The praise directed at the prime minister may be unwelcome by its recipient, with voters unlikely to be impressed with the notion asylum seekers think they are coming to a country with soft laws.
A new monthly record was set in November with 2443 people arriving on boats

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...tention-policies/story-e6freuy9-1226528431205

 

[Upton Sinclair]

Lol, the Daily Tele is SUCH a fine rag

 

[Jakko]

Have to appreciate their honesty.....

 

[Deathb4dishonour]

Thought this interview of Julian Burnside was really interesting.

mpegmedia.abc.net.au/rn/podcast/2012/11/lnl_20121127_2220.mp3

Will comment and listen to it later.. however Mr Burnside has a vested interest in refugees because if theres no refugees then he loses money