Give Wallace 2 more years

[getthefooty]

Whoever started this thread has got to be kidding, right??

Is it an April Fools joke....

Wallace is better than Malthouse and Mathews....

Give him a contract extension.....

WTF!!!!!

Have we all lost the plot.......he should be man enough to get the eff out of the club asap....

He knows he has been finally found out as a sh!t coach and is already plannig to rejoin the media next season, so he should p!ss off or we should show him the door.....NOW!!!!

a) April Fools Day is the 1st of April. April Fools Jokes can't carry over 20 days.

b) The notion he is suggesting clearly doesn't warrant a 'OMG WTF ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS A CRAZY IDEA' response. It's not that a radical suggestion at all, merely just putting some faith in the coach for once.

 

[Rimmer]

What an amusing concept.

Terry asked for 5 years and at this point I believe he is still entitled to his 5 years.

If he does well enough in this year 5 he should be given a contract extension ... if he does well enough.

I hope he does earn a contract extension, I would dearly love to get some pleasure out of this season with my beloved tigers.

He will earn that contract extension ... or he will not ... time will tell.

But at this stage of the season ... 'no soup'

 

[FSUB10Y]

a) April Fools Day is the 1st of April. April Fools Jokes can't carry over 20 days.

b) The notion he is suggesting clearly doesn't warrant a 'OMG WTF ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS A CRAZY IDEA' response. It's not that a radical suggestion at all, merely just putting some faith in the coach for once.

Putting some faith in the coah for once!!! I would have thought that that is what we have done for the last 10 years and both have taken us for a ride.....on what basis are you carrying your argument.....on ifs and maybes.....he hasn't delivered in 4.5 years and that is more than enough time to see some sort of improvement....

The quicker he p!sses off, the better we will all be

 

[kainokaino]

My main concern about this is that im starting to think the players don't want to play under Wallace and if thats not the case then we have to many heartless players who don't have any respect for our once proud club.

 

[xfacta]

Not a fan of Terry's coaching style, drafting, tan etc... And watching that insipid display on the weekend got the blood boiling, again... But funnily enough it wasn't unexpected.

But seriously, can anyone tell me the last coach to leave ANY club on his own terms?

We are not the only club firing shots at coaches, we just seem to have an arseanel of unused bullets. And Terry, we have a few with your name on it.

I wouldn't sack him personally, but there is no way in hell I'd resign him till seasons end. (NB. If in fact by some miracle we make finals and win one minimum would I do the above)

 

[1980GFVideo]

This thread is a reflection of the feeling that no one will do any better.

That is scary but I feel the same way.

At least with Frawley we felt that an ape could walk into the place and things would improve.

 

[Saint Shags]

Not a fan of Terry's coaching style, drafting, tan etc... And watching that insipid display on the weekend got the blood boiling, again... But funnily enough it wasn't unexpected.

But seriously, can anyone tell me the last coach to leave ANY club on his own terms?

We are not the only club firing shots at coaches, we just seem to have an arseanel of unused bullets. And Terry, we have a few with your name on it.

I wouldn't sack him personally, but there is no way in hell I'd resign him till seasons end. (NB. If in fact by some miracle we make finals and win one minimum would I do the above)

Was spud sacked or did he leave after a slight push?? If i remember correctly Timmy Watson resigned in 2000 of course there was a slight push but he did walk.

To be honest, Terry would have to make the finals this year to demand a contract extension. If by Rd 10 it looks like a forgone conclusion then getting rid of him would have to be seriously considered. You would want a potential new coach to be able to spend at least half the season with the list, therefore allowing him to make some decisions on who to cut and what they would be after in the draft. The club would want to do that sooner rather than later because otherwise if a new coach did not come in until next year it means another year until the real culling can begin. IMHO

 

[deliberate!!]

He has to go.
We have given Frawley 5 years and now Wallace 5 years. It's fair and reasonable to expect something in return by now. This bullshit about Richmond sacking coaches is not relevant now as our last two coaches have had plenty of time to get things right.

Gees tugga...don't speak logic in this thread! For heaven's sake!
They won't understand it.

Well said.

TW won't get another 2 years anywhere now. It's over!
Build a bridge 'toppstar' and cross over to the wonderful land that is "Reality".

 

[SKOULIKI]

I thought Kevin Sheedy was going to coach us, i was so wrong!

I was told today that TW will coach till the end of the year and if his contract is not extended, Wayne Campbell will be the new Richmond coach. Forget about Malthouse, Mathews, Williams and Hardwick.

The only way TW will get sacked mid season is if we start getting thrashed week in week out.

 

[froars]

Ridiculous thread given the current environment
He has 2009 to turn it around and make the finals.
Tough ask, but that's what he has to do

 

[one eyedtiger]

He won't get two more years. I've lost in faith in him. I don't think he is the man to take us to the finals. He tried and failed. I agree with the fact that if we bought somone new in right now, it would not make a huge difference. I think this list can go places but TW is not getting the best out of them. Its hard to see him staying beyond the next few weeks unless we beat the Roos, swans and Lions.

 

[AndyLesPaul]

Not a fan of Terry's coaching style, drafting, tan etc... And watching that insipid display on the weekend got the blood boiling, again... But funnily enough it wasn't unexpected.

But seriously, can anyone tell me the last coach to leave ANY club on his own terms?

We are not the only club firing shots at coaches, we just seem to have an arseanel of unused bullets. And Terry, we have a few with your name on it.

I wouldn't sack him personally, but there is no way in hell I'd resign him till seasons end. (NB. If in fact by some miracle we make finals and win one minimum would I do the above)

Leigh Matthews.

and Terry Wallace isnt specifically a bad coach, its just that he's coaching a bad team.

 

[Rayzorwire]

for every year we have done well in wallaces time(two 9th finishes in 06, 08), he has gone for recycled players (polak, kingsley 06, thomson, hislop 08). which means hes thought we were ahead of where we really are. its what frawley did, which ended up costing us. since wallace has decided that topping up lists with recycled players (aforemention players plus, mcmahon, collard, humm, cuz{though he could be the exception}, cartledge, simmonds{though has been servicable while here}, mark graham, trent knobel, and morton{could be anything}) has cost us at least 12 young players that could have been developed. sure they were brought in to be senior statesmen around a developing side, but essentially most turned out to be bad choices.

Most of those players cost us next to nothing and we could have dodged many of those recruiting choices if we'd had a bit of luck.

Knobel should still be playing and cost us only a PSD pick. He is the giant hole in our ruck dept.

Simmonds has been quite serviceable and cost us Fiora.

McMahon was recruited solely because we've selected almost a dozen similar HBF players in the draft, been burned by injury with several of the best of them.

It's way too early to make a call on Morton, Thomson or Hislop, but there is nothing wrong with the idea of recruiting them because they all fit nicely into the age group of our developing juniors and they are all talented players.

cartledge, simmonds and knobel cost us a young ruckman that would be 23-24 now.

Which young ruckman was going for less than what we paid for any of the above three?

kniglsey and graham, are a key back and key forward that we missed. and the others are small midfielders/forwards/backs that should have been developed.

Which players from pick 70+ in the draft and the PSD are you specifically referring to?

Saying this sort of thing is really no different to clowns like Claude rabbiting on for years about how Miller was the world's biggest fool because he didn't recruit Cameron Wood and get a 'genuine AFL ruckman,' or the endless list of posters who lamented us not deliberately tanking to get Gumbleton instead of ending up with Polak and Reiwoldt from the same pick.

a rebuilding team dosnt take 12 recylced players in 4 drafts and say they are building a team from scratch. he has, along with the recruitment team, IMO not performed what he promised. tehrefore should be held responsible and let go this year.

Wallace was under pressure to play finals from day one and choices were made accordingly.

We never traded a 1st round draft pick after Wallace came to the club (after doing just that for Johnson and Brown in the years prior), and apart from McMahon - who was a gamble but very much a necessity AND the right age - we haven't given away bugger all to get the players we brought in.

Sport is very much about perception and luck.

Throw a fit Trent Knobel into the ruck yesterday and Melbourne would have struggled to get a single hitout against him. He would have dominated Blake after Ottens went down and changed the outcome of that match, he would have smashed Kreuzer and Jacobs, and taken Hudson to the cleaners.

On top of Knobel giving us consistent first use in the middle, we should still have a fit and firing Coughlan there to give us the midfield support and in close class we lack.

We should have Meyer and Casserley playing HBF and carving up the comp with their precision foot skills.

We should have played finals in Wallace's first year, but Brown got football's worst leg injury in living memory and blew what looked like being the best years of his career.

We started out as the AFL's biggest joke in 2004 with the worst list imaginable, we HAD to roll a lot of dice to come up trumps ASAP as the board, coterie members and many ordinary members demanded.

If luck had been a little more kind to us, we could be in a very different situation now. As things stand, the short-term aims which were thrust upon the coaching staff (along with the leanest football department budget in the entire AFL) haven't panned out how we'd hoped.

That's life, you cop the knocks luck hands out, go back to the drawing board and regroup.

However, I flatly and absolutely reject the contention that Wallace sacrificed the future of this club for his own ego or whatever else people assert, in the same manner Frawley did. If Wallace had been blessed enough to inherit the same group of young players he has developed up to this point, we'd have played regular finals and challenged for flags.

I agree that the added pressure of aiming and making finals for a coach in his last year of a contract is very intense, yet if you listened to Malthouse on SEN on Saturday morning, he basically said, every game there is pressure and you need to be able to stand up and deliver when the pressure is on. Some coaches, simply aren't good enough when the heat is on.

We assume he's speaking from experience having been bridesmaid twice with your lot?

Lastly, it matters little if Wallace is in front of both Matthews and Malthouse on a head-to-head record.

Of course it matters. It clearly demonstrates that if Wallace had ever had the luxury of inheriting the playing groups that Malthouse and Matthews did, he'd have blitzed the comp in the same manner.

If he could consistently beat them with less, imagine what he'd be capable of with more?

You push an agenda if you have an agenda, not convinced he is that strategic. The Miller sacking was botched, Craig Cameron became OM by default, the cousins things was more opportunistic than planned............. dont know but an interesting conspiracy theory, if he is a puppet who is pulling the strings?

I can only assume that's why he's still there mate...everything he says in public humiliates the club...but he never pays the price.

This might see a few people label me as an idiot but I think it would be in our best interests to actually come out mid year and sign up Wallace for another 2 years.

Ata mentioned the reason why in his OP:


Instead of making Wallace pay the price why not put the heat back on the players themselves and let them know that it is there careers that are now on the line and if they want to continue on with the club they need to show that they deserve to.

On the contrary RT, I think it's the best post you've ever written.

 

[Ruanaidh]

Can any Wallace supporters tell me from their observations what his game-plan is? Also, could you describe the level of confidence he has instilled in the players? Maybe also add the list of players that have improved their skills under his tutelage????? How about rating his draft selection success????????

 

[chrisjie]

Anyone who thinks Wallace deserves 2 more years is just an idiot and those types of fans are the reason why this club is so shit.

We accept mediocrity and deflect blame and responsibility away from those who deserve it.

 

[David3030]

Was spud sacked or did he leave after a slight push?? If i remember correctly Timmy Watson resigned in 2000 of course there was a slight push but he did walk.

To be honest, Terry would have to make the finals this year to demand a contract extension. If by Rd 10 it looks like a forgone conclusion then getting rid of him would have to be seriously considered. You would want a potential new coach to be able to spend at least half the season with the list, therefore allowing him to make some decisions on who to cut and what they would be after in the draft. The club would want to do that sooner rather than later because otherwise if a new coach did not come in until next year it means another year until the real culling can begin. IMHO

It is painfully obvious that we will require a coach that is from outside the club. No coach will take on Richmond if we sack the coach prior to the end of the season, times change and midseason coaching changes leave the interim coach on a hiding to nothing.

We require a strong willed coach with a plan to take the club forward. A person that has no affiliation to Richmonf therefore has no preconceived ideas about the playing list, club personnel and club culture.

A coach that will analyse the strengths and weaknesses of all players at the club and take the hard decisions that are warranted.

Bottoming out now is not an option due to the next 3 years drafts being compromised. Therefore we need a person other than Wallace but no coach will look at us at the end of the season if we sack him midseason.

 

[Saint Shags]

It is painfully obvious that we will require a coach that is from outside the club. No coach will take on Richmond if we sack the coach prior to the end of the season, times change and midseason coaching changes leave the interim coach on a hiding to nothing.

We require a strong willed coach with a plan to take the club forward. A person that has no affiliation to Richmonf therefore has no preconceived ideas about the playing list, club personnel and club culture.

A coach that will analyse the strengths and weaknesses of all players at the club and take the hard decisions that are warranted.

Bottoming out now is not an option due to the next 3 years drafts being compromised. Therefore we need a person other than Wallace but no coach will look at us at the end of the season if we sack him midseason.

Look at how the Saints handled 07 with Lyon at the helm. It took the team a while to get used his coaching style and also took Lyon a bit of time to decide who was the deadwood that was holding the team back it wasnt until the end of the 07 and 08 season that he had a real chance to make changes to the list.
IMO it would be wise if the Richmond board were going to release Wallace that it would be as soon as possible as to give them time to go through a process of selecting the best man for the position and thus allowing their choice to use what ever remains of the year to examine the list and be prepared come draft time.

All that is dependant on whether the club will release Wallace before the year is out. At this stage if the team continues on the same path i could see that happening before Rd 10.

 

[camsmith]

What an amusing concept.

Terry asked for 5 years and at this point I believe he is still entitled to his 5 years.

That's my thinking too, although I can see the logic in the OP of this thread.. signing him for another couple of years could get the media off our back and hence improve how we play because surely its a distraction to be hounded at training about being sacked.

Saying that, given the situation perhaps just letting him have his 5 years is the best option given Malthouse and Matthews may be available at years end. Whatever the case those two should be the only options.. let him coach the year out or extend his contract NOW for two more years.

 

[camsmith]

Most of those players cost us next to nothing and we could have dodged many of those recruiting choices if we'd had a bit of luck.

Top post Razor.

There are still questions on his game plan however.

 

[Kyusss]

give him a twenty five years extension lmao big time

Again mods why does this get tolerated on our board?

 

[Greggy]

This will never happen, AFL is a big business and board members are in the majority business people, they approach it based on revenue and return for investment, they are greedy and egotistical - that's why they are there! March is only concerned with our brand, we need to sell more jumpers - lets get Cousins! Terry's damaging it so he must go! In the business world giving your business (Team) 5 years to return profit is a stretch so they will never give it 7. Let's not forget March has a lot of private investment in the Richmond brand being a director of Beyond Sportswear International.