Blackas87
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Greatest Dynasty of the 21st century - Lions vs Cats vs Hawks vs Tigers
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I rate Brisbane the highest but we would have given them a nudge with our best side. Forward line maybe would of got dominated a bit by there backs though.
West Coast could have been one of the best if they hadn’t of been so wild off the field. Judd Cousins Kerr Embley is close to Akermanis Voss Black Lappin Power and Ablett Bartel Chapman Enright Johnson
But they had Cox one of the best ruckman of all time as well, the other dynasty sides didn’t really have a ruckman of high quality.
There forward line in comparison was pretty horrible though, Lynch Hunter Hansen in comparison to Franklin Roughead Gunston is too big gap.
It’s so hard to pick a side.
Brisbane didn’t really have a weakness though.
West Coast could have been one of the best if they hadn’t of been so wild off the field. Judd Cousins Kerr Embley is close to Akermanis Voss Black Lappin Power and Ablett Bartel Chapman Enright Johnson
But they had Cox one of the best ruckman of all time as well, the other dynasty sides didn’t really have a ruckman of high quality.
There forward line in comparison was pretty horrible though, Lynch Hunter Hansen in comparison to Franklin Roughead Gunston is too big gap.
It’s so hard to pick a side.
Brisbane didn’t really have a weakness though.
Maybe could graph or extend out the whole final series rather than just one example of 1 V 8.
Blackas87
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It’s a strait knockout tournament, but the top 4 get a 2nd chance for the first round. They get a rematch against the same opponent.
Richmond fans carrying on like sooks how a stand on the mark rule change destroyed their entire dynasty, then are confused how everyone ranks their era last in the polls.
If your team cannot adapt to a small rule change, then you cant be that good.
If your team cannot adapt to a small rule change, then you cant be that good.
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‘According to sources within the club/AFL house…’ is prefaced in literally every piece of worthwhile footy news!
That’s what journalists of that level of experience do, cultivate sources and sniff out the inside stories.
If journalists job was just to parrot the PR-approved ‘facts’ coming out of AFL House, or the ‘just taking it one week at a time’ coming out of the clubs, god help us!
Can't split Bris/Geel/Haw.
Brisbane because they had to do it from outside Victoria.
Geelong because it was a longer period of dominance and their game style was brilliant to watch.
Hawks were strong also. I mainly remember the WCE one where they won on the back of the MCG deal, but they would have beaten Sydney in '12 if not for poor kicking.
Richmond last. A rag-tag bunch running high-pressure game plans with a strong defence and enough class to get Dusty into 3 GF's where he could turn each of them them in our favor.
Brisbane because they had to do it from outside Victoria.
Geelong because it was a longer period of dominance and their game style was brilliant to watch.
Hawks were strong also. I mainly remember the WCE one where they won on the back of the MCG deal, but they would have beaten Sydney in '12 if not for poor kicking.
Richmond last. A rag-tag bunch running high-pressure game plans with a strong defence and enough class to get Dusty into 3 GF's where he could turn each of them them in our favor.
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In terms of overall dominance it’s between the Lions and the Cats imho. I’m leaning towards the Cats, even though the Lions can be argued as the better team on paper.
In terms of overachieving, I think Richmonds achievements stand out the most. Out of the four, I’m pretty sure most would agree that the Richmond team is the worst of the bunch on paper yet they still sit here with 3 flags with a side that had a heap of rookie listed players. Richmond came from absolutely nowhere whereas Geelong, Brisbane and Hawthorn were all seen as future premiership sides. Now don’t get me wrong, there have been sides that won a flag with a heap of rookies but to carve out a dynasty is truly special.
In terms of overachieving, I think Richmonds achievements stand out the most. Out of the four, I’m pretty sure most would agree that the Richmond team is the worst of the bunch on paper yet they still sit here with 3 flags with a side that had a heap of rookie listed players. Richmond came from absolutely nowhere whereas Geelong, Brisbane and Hawthorn were all seen as future premiership sides. Now don’t get me wrong, there have been sides that won a flag with a heap of rookies but to carve out a dynasty is truly special.
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Grand Uncle Horace
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For me recency is not an issue. I have been watching the game since the 50s. Melbourne remain the finest team I have watched and their dynasty was remarkable.
This century the Lions had an amazing run, finally ended by Port and age. Their 3peat involved wins against Victorian sides at the G underscoring what a great team the Lions had representing them.
This century the Lions had an amazing run, finally ended by Port and age. Their 3peat involved wins against Victorian sides at the G underscoring what a great team the Lions had representing them.
Brisbane >>>>>> hawthorn >> richmond // geelong
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We did have two All Australian ruckmen win premierships during that time
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Ottens and King had their AA seasons before our side became dominant.
I think this is what he means by average rucks.
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I know that their overall peaks came earlier but Ottens when he was on the paddock was as good as anyone going around bar Cox and Sandilands.
Yes but look at the other lines best players
Scarlett Rance Hodge
Ablett Martin Voss
Franklin Akermanis Hawkins Reiwoldt
The rucks best in comparison are a couple notches down.
For mine this isn't the specific flawed or unfair element of the AFL finals structure.
It's the fact you could go 23-0 (or more realistically 19-4) being easily the best team over a 6 month season, then be forced to play a Grand Final at the ground of your GF opponent who finished 15-8 and scraped into 4th.
Hawthorn won two flags against interstate teams who finished higher than them on the ladder. Richmond won one in the same circumstances.
And one of Hawthorn's, as you've pointed out, happened after that same opponent destroyed them earlier in the finals series at the opponent's home ground. This is a major mark against Hawthorn in this discussion, in my view.
Compared to Geelong who don't get to play finals on their home ground at all (or their main home ground anyway) and Brisbane who have to go interstate for the Grand Final.
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There's no doubt Hawthorn were an outstanding team and Richmond a very good team but there's at a minimum two of each of their flags came via weak opponents and/or advantaged circumstances.
Hawthorn beating 2011 Collingwood rather than 2015 West Coast at the MCG would be a more meritorious GF victory. Both sides did overcome a tough interstate prelim to their credit, which probably makes that their best flag.
Interstate teams haven't performed well at the G on GF day since Brisbane's era with one exception - WCE 2018.
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RFC by virtue of doing it all with limited resources. It means their wins were harder, more difficult. Their achievements were therefore greater.
They had to rely much more than the other teams on hard work, strategy, imagination, risk taking, compensating for less talent, rehabilitating key players, the game plan, the board, the system, the mindset, overcoming self hate, and the mockers and doubters.
It's logical and conclusive. They achieved the most, coming from further back, and with less advantages than all the others.
My pleasure.
They had to rely much more than the other teams on hard work, strategy, imagination, risk taking, compensating for less talent, rehabilitating key players, the game plan, the board, the system, the mindset, overcoming self hate, and the mockers and doubters.
It's logical and conclusive. They achieved the most, coming from further back, and with less advantages than all the others.
My pleasure.
Weaker opponents.
Two mentally weak interstate sides who never did anything before or after, then the slow old Cats who got pasted in finals by all number of teams before Holmes/SDK/Stengle/Close came through and Cameron/Smith were recruited.
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Indeed, RFC crushed their oppo, took their souls. They played brilliantly in all their 3 gfs.
You are making the critical mistake of being focused on one game. You really need to look at the whole season, challenges overcome. Your method is like looking at a square inch of a large painting.
Adelaide were the best H&A side in 2017 and went in hot favourites on GF day.
From memory they completely dismantled Geelong in the prelim and prior to the game it was thought Richmond would be overwhelmed by the occasion and the Crows should win by 6 goals plus.
Giants in 2019 put out a poor performance on GF day but the week before they had a gutsy preliminary final win on interstate turf.
I was worried leading into the GF but in hindsight the Giants prelim win must’ve zapped them of their energy and were cooked after a quarter and a half GF day.
If Collingwood made the 2019 Grand Final it’s safe to say the Tigers fans would’ve been a nervous wreck leading into it considering what happened the year before.
I'll definitely concede that they rose to finals intensity and bullied their opponents (relative to H&A) in a way similar to Brisbane '01-'03. They may well have beaten better teams if they existed (a position I have no doubt on with Hawthorn).
But Adelaide made one prelim within a 5 year span either side of 2017. GWS made a prelim on two occasions within that 10 year span.
Geelong were a bit better as they at least challenged for a while, but I just know how weak that side was, and ill fitting for finals. 2022 the team had overhauled on 7-8 pretty crucial spots and a handful of players finally took the next step. It doesn't make the 2017-2020 version a strong side.
