Analysis Grundy, Cox and Cameron Discussion

[jackcass]

I don’t think that this is totally out of the question. The guy simply can’t ruck for the next seven years, so why not rotate him through this position. He’s agile enough, has a good pair of hands, and kick kick a long goal.
Thoughts.

Why not? Plenty of examples of players who do ruck through their entire careers. Goldstein is 32 in July and entering something like season 13 as a career ruckman, Gawn just turned 28 and has 8 years of rucking under his belt and doesn't seem likely to give up his position, Martin turned 33 in December and has 12 years playing predominantly as a ruck.

Shouldn't we be open to a player like Grundy having that sort of durability in the role?

From my perspective, what will count against him relative to those others is that he was playing in the ruck as a 19 year old whereas many of the other examples don't take that No1 ruck position until they're well into their 20's. English might be his closest contemporary.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Whats with all these weird threads?
Let's waste Stevo on a wing??? Ben Reid is better than two forwards who've kicked many more goals than Ben ever has (Mihocek and Cox)?? and now maybe the weirdest of them all.... An AA ruckman to CHF....yeah that's a winner....

Really???
Are people sooooooo....missing the footy that they've come to this?

I’m excited for the Quaynor in the ruck thread. Should only be a couple of days away.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I don't know if CHF is a great idea but I do agree that if we're going to make the seven-year deal work Grundy needs to spend less time either on the ground or less time in the ruck.

 

[partypie]

Supremely agile for a ruckman but he's still a big lumbering beast with no burst of speed on take off and not enough agility to use trickery to gain separation on a defender.

I've also got some doubts about his ability to keep presenting on repeat leads as well, as that sort of endurance (repeat efforts at something closer to top speed) is certainly not his strong suit.

 

[TradeDraft]

Glad I didn’t suggest he should play back pocket! There’d probably be a witch hunt for me.
We were beaten badly at centre half forward in the prelim, Mihochek was completely ineffective. For the first time in his career he was heavily targeted as a danger player, and the result was that we lost.
Grundy on the other hand amassed close to record stats as a ruckman that day, but kept palming the ball to his feet, to no obvious advantage, I can’t remember one occasion where he punched it forward a few metres to gain some ground, and catch the Giants out.

Maybe we should make Grundy a Inside Mid as he is seems to be the 1 of the Worst Tap Ruckman in the League

 

[Markfs]

Rupe takes over the ruck duties,,,

 

[TradeDraft]

He be more a FF then a CHF When/IF he plays Forward

 

[Lime22]

Maybe we should make Grundy a Inside Mid as he is seems to be the 1 of the Worst Tap Ruckman in the League

I don't like him as an inside mid because his kicking is not reliable enough.

 

[TradeDraft]

I don't like him as an inside mid because his kicking is not reliable enough.

Then what do you rate him then?

 

[Jelly Bean]

I think he will get some more time forward, but it will be as a deep forward, not a CHF. CHF is no easier on the body than ruck...

If we needed to force him forward, we would probably put him deep and push Cox up to CHF (if not rucking). He is actually not to bad a little further up the ground as it gives him a little more space (360 degree) generally and an ability to get one out.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I can’t remember one occasion where he punched it forward a few metres to gain some ground, and catch the Giants out.

I agree with most of your post except the above. The 'punch it forward as far as you can' approach is often misregarded as a good strategy. Unless our mids know about it there is just as much chance that it still ends in an opposition possession, just a few metres further back. I agree he needs to work on connection to the mids and hitting to non-traditional areas (pre-communicated with the mids), but an ad hoc smash out of the ruck just 'forward' is rarely going to work.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

We won’t know unless it’s tried, presuming it will ever be tried.
The reality is however that the alternatives are Reid, Mihochek and Cox. None of these names fill me with great confidence. if we are going to be a serious contender, we need to address the obvious void at CHF.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

We won’t know unless it’s tried, presuming it will ever be tried.
The reality is however that the alternatives are Reid, Mihochek and Cox. None of these names fill me with great confidence. if we are going to be a serious contender, we need to address the obvious void at CHF.

Kelly, Keane, Moore?

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

I thought Moore was a pretty good defender, but that’s only my opinion. If the final against Geelong was anything to go by anyway.
He has already been tried as a forward. I remember one infamous falcon. Don’t think there will be another backflip there from the coaching staff. As for the other two, neither have played a senior game, and you’re suggesting that they’re potential centre half forwards?!

 

[ThePhantom777]

I don’t think that this is totally out of the question. The guy simply can’t ruck for the next seven years, so why not rotate him through this position. He’s agile enough, has a good pair of hands, and kick kick a long goal.
Thoughts.

Grundy doesn't have the flimsy frame of Josh Fraser. He's also a ruck and rover which is invaluable.

 

[TradeDraft]

I thought Moore was a pretty good defender, but that’s only my opinion. If the final against Geelong was anything to go by anyway.
He has already been tried as a forward. I remember one infamous falcon. Don’t think there will be another backflip there from the coaching staff. As for the other two, neither have played a senior game, and you’re suggesting that they’re potential centre half forwards?!

Moore offers more Forward then Back for me. Especially our lack of KPF

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I thought Moore was a pretty good defender, but that’s only my opinion. If the final against Geelong was anything to go by anyway.
He has already been tried as a forward. I remember one infamous falcon. Don’t think there will be another backflip there from the coaching staff. As for the other two, neither have played a senior game, and you’re suggesting that they’re potential centre half forwards?!

You mean like Grundy is a pretty good Ruck?

You said we were "void" at CHF, I showed you we are not.
Look, I understand you haven't looked too deeply at our list, its a mistake many novices make

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

You’ve showed me nothing, you’ve rattled off names. Novice! Lol! What am I a novice at by your reckoning?

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, as you might just be unreasonably optimist about the upcoming season, and our list.
You know nothing about me or my knowledge of Collingwood, so show some respect.

 

[noideaatall]

Grundy CHF!! The dudes got short legs and a long trunk. None of his strengths play to this position, unless Bucks or Grundy find a way to rewrite the position. Playing him in that position will be a sure signal the end is weeks away. Towards the end of his career deep forward is a possibility but I greatly doubt it. There is a cutting edge procedure (Grundy's body/Blair's head/somewhere OS) but some trouble with medical release forms.

I reckon Grundy will be no. 1 ruck at the pies for the next seven years. If this thread has any relevance at all its about five years premature.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

There was a guy who played for North, his name escapes me at the moment, but he also had short legs and a long truck. That’s right now I remember, his name is Wayne Carey, the greatest CHF of all time.

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

When Carey was sidelined in the late 90’s with a significant shoulder injury, the then ruckman, Corey McKernan was immediately moved to CHF. He had such a significant impact as a Ruckman/CHF, he was later recruited by Carlscum.
The story from then on is similar to Daisy’s, but that’s not my point.
A good footballer needs to be versitile, and Grundy is a good footballer.

 

[TradeDraft]

There was a guy who played for North, his name escapes me at the moment, but he also had short legs and a long truck. That’s right now I remember, his name is Wayne Carey, the greatest CHF of all time.

Carey was not 200cm+

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

But Tom Lynch is. People are taller these days. Brereton was relatively short. What’s your point?

 

[manicpie]

Moore offers more Forward then Back for me. Especially our lack of KPF

Moore will never play forward while Bucks is coaching, he is a defence first coach