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Fraser's last years coming up will be spent mostly off the field..like your man right there. Worry
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Judging by the comment below and some of the others in this thread, I do wonder how many actually think we would be picking him up to be a premiership ruckman? I just want him so we don't end up burning out Patto and Graham before their time.
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Exactly..however, as CYD correctly pointed out, the last few years of ruckmen picked up in the PSD hasn't been too successful. But as much stick as Richards is getting, stats (he says diving for cover) says he can play the role we are talking about here.
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Thats all I'm asking for, someone with a ruckmans body, to lend support to Pattison and Graham in the event that Simmonds does not come up. Of those out there with AFL experience Richards is our best option no matter how much of a hack he is.
There is a benefit to it as well, if Richards form warrants a spot he would also put pressure on either Pattison or Graham to keep performing to mainatain their spots at present either one knows they are certainties for round 1. Bring in another ruckman as competition and they may push themselves that little harder to make sure the spot is theirs.
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I just think the Tiges are missing a HUGE opportunity. These guys cost nothing in terms of draft picks, and the Blues, Pies, Lions and Swans are exploiting this loophole in the AFL draft process while they can. Miller has been caught on the back foot again. He should be over there, watching these guys play and setting up deals like Icke has been doing.
Loophole in the drafting process, maybe, but they're still extremely speculative and require a long term commitment of one of your (limited) places on the list while you teach the guy to play, and see if he can translate athletic talent into actual skill, especially while handling the physical nature of the game.
Compare that to the late selection or rookie who might otherwise have taken the slot, has shown he has more FOOTBALL skill, will be ready in a shorter time and can be delisted in 2 years with a fairly clear idea of if he ever could have really made it.
It's not like it's 'all upside'.
But with these picks, you get the very best athletic talent in Ireland. Plus what these guys have, is an almost fanatical desire to succeed. Definitely worth at least one rookie spot IMO. In terms of development time, it depends. Taller players will always take longer to develop, especially those from a Hurling background like Aisake and Setanta. Those from a Gaelic Football background adapt quicker. I really like this development. The Irish players have definitely added something to our game. They all have a characteristic run and carry style, and are unorthodox.
You could always take Barry Brooks instead
Richards is the only ruckman of any real afl experience bobbing around for the psd. If cousins isnt there i'd be happy to take him as a stop gap. Get him right fitness wise and tell him that if he proves himself he can be a crucial part of an up and coming team. By the time hes 26-27 we'll be peaking...if i do recall correctly this was about the same age hudson, simmonds, and numerous other ruckmen started really showing something.
Is there any chance we can use our third pick in the N.D. for a ruck that can spend a bit o time to develope. And find 1 in the Rookie draft, 21-23 yo.
That Way we have:
Simmonds - DOB: 13/07/1978 - Turning 30 July.
Rookie --------------------23-24 yo
Pattison - DOB: 05/03/1986 - Turning 21 March.
Graham - DOB: 16-04-1987 - Turning 20 April
N.D. Selection 51 -------------18 yo
This way we could elevate the rookie if need be and not have to rely on the young bloke.
That Way we have:
Simmonds - DOB: 13/07/1978 - Turning 30 July.
Rookie --------------------23-24 yo
Pattison - DOB: 05/03/1986 - Turning 21 March.
Graham - DOB: 16-04-1987 - Turning 20 April
N.D. Selection 51 -------------18 yo
This way we could elevate the rookie if need be and not have to rely on the young bloke.
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whAT people fail to grasp is by taking someone like richards, kingsley etc you are just treading water and wasting a year or 2 development for a player who is only a stop gap. What will be his role? Backup in case of multiple injuries to our ruck division, why not have a young untried guy? you never know he could develop into something. Patto is doing his 4th pre season, his body is more mature & stronger, Gus his 3rd(even though i dont rate him) - last season was one out of the box, it doesnt happen every year, we would be better served picking up a youngster and seeing if he can develop into an A-grader.
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But with these picks, you get the very best athletic talent in Ireland. Plus what these guys have, is an almost fanatical desire to succeed. Definitely worth at least one rookie spot IMO. In terms of development time, it depends. Taller players will always take longer to develop, especially those from a Hurling background like Aisake and Setanta. Those from a Gaelic Football background adapt quicker. I really like this development. The Irish players have definitely added something to our game. They all have a characteristic run and carry style, and are unorthodox.
Parrot always seems to find a way to talk about Setanta and the other Irish dud that Carlton has on there list no matter what the topic.
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used lemon cars like Richards, Kingsley, McKee, King, Gardener, Playfair, Whitnall, are of limited value and a waste of a pick. Most don't prove to be much value. Even Mark Graham was their a year, and then retired. So what was the point?
I would pick kids ahead of these type of players, and try to develop a role for them.
I would pick kids ahead of these type of players, and try to develop a role for them.
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But with these picks, you get the very best athletic talent in Ireland. Plus what these guys have, is an almost fanatical desire to succeed. Definitely worth at least one rookie spot IMO. In terms of development time, it depends. Taller players will always take longer to develop, especially those from a Hurling background like Aisake and Setanta. Those from a Gaelic Football background adapt quicker. I really like this development. The Irish players have definitely added something to our game. They all have a characteristic run and carry style, and are unorthodox.
Run and carry is the style of football that is played in AFL now so how is it unorthodox? The only one who is unorthodox (or is ut unco?) is Setanta but that is because he has no skills.
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Run and carry is the style of football that is played in AFL now so how is it unorthodox? The only one who is unorthodox (or is ut unco?) is Setanta but that is because he has no skills.
maybe he means in a religous sense
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Run and carry is the style of football that is played in AFL now so how is it unorthodox? The only one who is unorthodox (or is ut unco?) is Setanta but that is because he has no skills.
I also loved Setanta's aggression towards your diving, midori drinking hero.
Lloyd was shitting himself at the thought of this 200cm, quick, agile and crazy monster was going to take a swing at him.
I'd pay to watch it over and over again.
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correct terry, i really thought mark graham was fantastic for us in 05 but in hindsight what did it actually do for the club? absolutely nothing, who knows if we had of taken another speculative tall like thursfield we may have had another potential gem on our hands. No more stop gaps, we all know where the list is at, we dont expect finals, so use this time to develop as many kids as possible and turn them over if they arent god enough, its still better to try rather than go with run of the mill journeymen
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While I agree that we would be better off picking up youngsters we are heading into the drafts with 8 picks available, 4 in the ND/PSD and 4 in the rookie draft. From that we have the ability to take 7 kids. Using those 7 picks we can gather a few potential future champions but I just think playing safe with one pick and adding some ready to go depth to our ruck stocks makes more sense. I don't like it but realise that it is something that is more than likely to happen and can see the benefits from it happening.
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It's a question of insurance IMO.
Just like last year when we picked up that hack Kingsley. HAD Richo gone down for an extended time, it gave us an experienced option up forward. Probably didn't really want to use him but may have had to. (Inexperience with Hughes & Jack + Sarge not an automatic fill-in)
Let's hope Troy "The Snake" Simmonds totally overcomes his blood clot problem & has a huge year in the ruck supported by Patto & to a lesser degree by Gus but if he were to have another issue, we would again be exposed in the ruck.
IF there is no one else better in the PSD with experience, I could live with Guy Richards for 12 months.
Just like last year when we picked up that hack Kingsley. HAD Richo gone down for an extended time, it gave us an experienced option up forward. Probably didn't really want to use him but may have had to. (Inexperience with Hughes & Jack + Sarge not an automatic fill-in)
Let's hope Troy "The Snake" Simmonds totally overcomes his blood clot problem & has a huge year in the ruck supported by Patto & to a lesser degree by Gus but if he were to have another issue, we would again be exposed in the ruck.
IF there is no one else better in the PSD with experience, I could live with Guy Richards for 12 months.
Richards is the right age to fill our gap, we're not talking about a 30yo.
We just have to hope his body holds out a bit longer than Knobel's did. It's always a gamble whether you get a kid or a mature bodied player.
We just have to hope his body holds out a bit longer than Knobel's did. It's always a gamble whether you get a kid or a mature bodied player.
If Simmonds doesn't recover fully from his blood clot we can't go through the season hoping that Patto and Gus don't get injured. We will end up on the bottom again if we are depending on Richo, Tuck and Polak to be our ruckmen.
As far as I can see, Guy Richards is the best available option.
I thought he was going to be a top player when he started but injuries have slowed his progress. He is fairly young, experienced and may have some upside. Collingwood did okay this year with him in the side too.
As far as I can see, Guy Richards is the best available option.
I thought he was going to be a top player when he started but injuries have slowed his progress. He is fairly young, experienced and may have some upside. Collingwood did okay this year with him in the side too.
The problem with Richards is that he has peaked and he is ordinary at his very best. Silly occupying a spot on your list with that sort of player. Even Ackland's better, and he'll be finishing up this season at the Blues after Hampson, Aisake and Kruezer take over. What about Sampi? Apparently he's motivated now, and unlike Richards actually has talent. Hoping the Blues consider Sampi, although he seems to have his heart set on the Dees.
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LOL Remember when he baulked Matthew Lloyd and outran Paddy Ryder in that game where we came back from 43 points down to win?
I also loved Setanta's aggression towards your diving, midori drinking hero.
Lloyd was shitting himself at the thought of this 200cm, quick, agile and crazy monster was going to take a swing at him.
LMAO off Setanta out running Paddy Ryder. Ryder is more of an athlete than Setanta will ever be and he has shown more this year than Setanta probably will in his entire career. I cant remember seeing Setanta in the Grand final Sprint final this year but i do remember seeing Ryder. In fact, if Ryder didnt slip at the start he probably would have won it.
I also laugh at the thought of Lloyd being scared of the unco Irish guy. You can call him a diver or whatever you want but the one thing he is not is scared. I have seen him take on Mick Martyn a number of times and he is about 100 times scarier and stronger than Sentana.
It is so funny the way Carlton ppl talk up Setanta. You dont hear Collingwood, Sydney or Brisbane supporters go on in the same way yet there Irish recruits have shown a lot, lot more than captain unco!
The problem with Richards is that he has peaked and he is ordinary at his very best. Silly occupying a spot on your list with that sort of player. Even Ackland's better, and he'll be finishing up this season at the Blues after Hampson, Aisake and Kruezer take over. What about Sampi? Apparently he's motivated now, and unlike Richards actually has talent. Hoping the Blues consider Sampi, although he seems to have his heart set on the Dees.
hardly peaked, considering he is young for a ruck, and has plenty of years left.
There is nothing wrong with drafting a fella if he is for insurance purposes. Simmonds has questionmarks, and is actually getting on in age, while Graham got injured after getting his opportunity late in the season, so anything can happen.
Just having a genuine ruck as a spare is extreemly valuable, and if we had Richards this past season, he would have been played a fair bit.
Sure, some question our recruitment of Mark Graham and Kingsley, but they were there for insurance, and would have come in handy (mark did at least) in the event of injury. Who did we have to plug the gap with experience when Mark Graham was called in?
Clearly, sometimes you have to plan for today as well as tommorow.
Finally some sense. I work in Haematology Research and I can tell you that Simmonds is nowhere near out of the woods. He will have been on warfarin for 6 months from the time of the clot (when did it happen again?). Then depending on blood results as to whether there is a factor in his blood which contributed to this, he could be on warfarin for the rest of his life. Now if this was to happen, he would almost certainly have to retire - playing footy would be too great a risk for an internal bleed. Even if he stops the warfarin after 6 months he will be way behind with his fitness for next season.
Basically we need another ready made ruckman on the list as insurance. Some of you guys are correct, you should not normally recruit going forward for insurance, but I think this is a different case.
Haematology Research: Is that a centre to look after a burst heamorroids?
Need a bit of a check up H...
Ps. Ironic, l gave you a ring only 2 hours ago, but no one home.
