Speculation Harley Reid [OOC 2026]

[eastfreo75]

We didn't trade pick 3 for Baker.

Please stop spreading falsehoods

Done deal: Blues land pick No.3, Baker lands at Eagles

Carlton, West Coast and Richmond complete a three-club trade

www.afl.com.au

Sure I was unclear but you need to read really hard to get it was pick 3 for Baker.

What I was trying to say, is that you have kept pick 3 and still got Baker.

 

[Pistol Night]

Eagles have a knack of getting it together about once a decade.

From absolutely ****n nowhere too. They dont have premiership windows, just solid walls and vacant blocks

 

[bzparkes]

Done deal: Blues land pick No.3, Baker lands at Eagles

Carlton, West Coast and Richmond complete a three-club trade

www.afl.com.au

Sure I was unclear but you need to read really hard to get it was pick 3 for Baker.

What I was trying to say, is that you have kept pick 3 and still got Baker.

That went out the window when the Hawks traded pick 14 away.

Anyway, it's basically Harvey Langford(who we supposedly had as our choice at that pick) vs Allan, Baker, Graham(wouldn't have committed if Baker wasn't coming) and Owies.

People obsessing over the pick numbers need to look at the outcome in its entirety.

We also ended up with 2 extra picks in this year's draft, due to Hawthorn jumping the gun and trading pick 14 to Carlton, as they didn't want to include their 2nd rounder in last year's draft for Barrass.

 

[eastfreo75]

That went out the window when the Hawks traded pick 14 away.

Anyway, it's basically Harvey Langford(who we supposedly had as our choice at that pick) vs Allan, Baker, Graham(wouldn't have committed if Baker wasn't coming) and Owies.

People obsessing over the pick numbers need to look at the outcome in its entirety.

We also ended up with 2 extra picks in this year's draft, due to Hawthorn jumping the gun and trading pick 14 to Carlton, as they didn't want to include their 2nd rounder in last year's draft for Barrass.

Do you think it was a good outcome?

Those trades make your team better straight away but it hurts the ceiling. I can see the Eagles getting out of the bottom 3 but at what cost in 2025.

Look at the Judd trade,. Carlton got better straight away with Judd and they never made a grand final. Trading Kennedy destroyed the heights that the Blues could have built and West Coast won a flag.

Baker is an elite small forward/midfielder and can play back. How old is he?

 

[WestCoast05]

Do you think it was a good outcome?

I think it was a good outcome in the end considering Allen somehow managed to fall to us.
But I'm with you - it obviously feels like we could've done that whole trade period a lot better than we did.
Seems to have summed up our past few years, a club low on confidence and making mistakes across the board.

However trade/draft period as a whole really is feeling like a net win but of course the proof will be in whether even just a few of the great crop of sliders we drafted manage to show they will be B22 over the next 3 years.

 

[WestCoast05]

Draft Reid isn't a tick for good drafting as it was a no brainer pick. One player in the best 22 under 22 is pretty dire when you have been bottom 3 for the last 3 years.

Nah this revisionist (although to be fair your probably don't follow West Coast in the media as closely as a WC supporter would).

It was FAR from consensus that drafting Reid is what we should do.
Even our own board didn't have consensus on the issue.

Plenty of media commentators were of the opinion that we needed to take advantage and swap for multiple picks - due to our current rebuild, positional needs, risk of go-home factor, pressure on just 1 player to lift the team (there was even a couple of nutty suggestions of a "he won't come" factor).

Being far from a no-brainer - I think there would have been hefty discussion about closed doors at WC about exactly what to do with pick 1.

 

[bzparkes]

Do you think it was a good outcome?

Those trades make your team better straight away but it hurts the ceiling. I can see the Eagles getting out of the bottom 3 but at what cost in 2025.

Look at the Judd trade,. Carlton got better straight away with Judd and they never made a grand final. Trading Kennedy destroyed the heights that the Blues could have built and West Coast won a flag.

Baker is an elite small forward/midfielder and can play back. How old is he?

I think people are overrating a draft number instead of assessing the final result.

An arbitrary number doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, especially when it's really not all that common for top 5 picks to end up being the best player from their respective drafts.

Don't underestimate the impact that improving the baseline has on the overall development of the squad.

You used Carlton as an example but look at the fact that they had 3x number 1 picks prior to that trade and despite Masten himself being a pick 3, he was a solid roleplayer at best, who took a number of years to get going, but was never a match winner.

Assuming you get a superstar, who massively improves the ceiling of the list, is ignoring all who went at that pick beforehand.

For every superstar, there's probably triple the amount who end up as honest roleplayers, at best.

Having a higher draft pick gives you a better chance, for sure, but it's not fait accompli that it happens.

 

[stallon]

You’ve got some serious rose coloured glasses on. On paper, anybody from 2021 or 22 not getting regular AFL games and performing is currently a bad pick. Even if it’s due to injury and they still have time to turn it around.

The only one who is performing above their pick level is Hough.

We drafted Hough, Bazzo and Jack Williams along with Chesser in 2021.
Bazzo is a KPD who has had a lot of injuries but realistically wouldn't have played much anyway behind Barrass amd Gov.
Hough and J.Williams were awesome picks.
In 2022 we got Ginbey, Hewett, Burgiel, Barnett and Long.
Ginbey looks like he just needed the right role, which is half back, Barnett is a ruckman so he gets a pass, and Long looked good before getting injured last year.
Hewett I still consider a bargain despite his injuries, should be our 2nd best young player behind Reid

Pretty solid haul over those 2 years

 

[stallon]

Yes West Coast can but if they know where are in terms of list management. Getting Baker and trading pick 3 was pretty stupid. Smith or Draper next Reid would have been deadly for years to come. They could have traded in Baker with other picks.

I'm ok with Baker+Allan+Gross for pick 3. The final result of what pick 3 turned into is not a loss imo.

Draft Reid isn't a tick for good drafting as it was a no brainer pick. One player in the best 22 under 22 is pretty dire when you have been bottom 3 for the last 3 years.

Hough did eaisly deserve to be in there, problem is its done by popular vote, and nobody outside WA knows who Hough even is.

Apart from Reid is no player under 24 who will be elite.

Disagree

Eagles are fooling themselves if they think that will any good just because of the history of the club. It's the old saying, its not who are, its what you do.

Lol

 

[stallon]

That went out the window when the Hawks traded pick 14 away.

Anyway, it's basically Harvey Langford(who we supposedly had as our choice at that pick) vs Allan, Baker, Graham(wouldn't have committed if Baker wasn't coming) and Owies.

People obsessing over the pick numbers need to look at the outcome in its entirety.

We also ended up with 2 extra picks in this year's draft, due to Hawthorn jumping the gun and trading pick 14 to Carlton, as they didn't want to include their 2nd rounder in last year's draft for Barrass.

Gross too, from going from 14 to 15 on the night

 

[stallon]

Do you think it was a good outcome?

Those trades make your team better straight away but it hurts the ceiling. I can see the Eagles getting out of the bottom 3 but at what cost in 2025.

Look at the Judd trade,. Carlton got better straight away with Judd and they never made a grand final. Trading Kennedy destroyed the heights that the Blues could have built and West Coast won a flag.

Baker is an elite small forward/midfielder and can play back. How old is he?

The answer is what's the difference between Langford vs Allan in 5+ years time?
Personally I think it won't be a lot. What about Allan+Gross vs Langford?
Add the leadership and general quality of Baker+Graham for the next 5-6 years to help develop the kids?

It's too hard to measure for sure, but getting Allan and Gross both made sure it wasn't a loss for us overall

 

[eastfreo75]

Nah this revisionist (although to be fair your probably don't follow West Coast in the media as closely as aWC supporter would).

It was FAR from consensus that drafting Reid is what we should do.
Even our own board didn't have consensus on the issue.

Plenty of media commentators were of the opinion that we needed to take advantage and swap for multiple picks - due to our current rebuild, positional needs, risk of go-home factor, pressure on just 1 player to lift the team (there was even a couple of nutty suggestions of a "he won't come" factor).

Being far from a no-brainer - I think there would have been hefty discussion about closed doors at WC about exactly what to do with pick 1.

Reid is a generational player. There is a difference between drafting and trading picks.

When you went to the draft, it was a no brainer.

My view is you never trade A talent for multiple B Graders. A lot of examples in the NBA and AFL where it's turned pear shaped.

West Coast could have Sheezel, Reid and Draper as midfield and team to build on. Even, if they went home, Hornes-Francis trade reminds everybody to can still do well out of trading a star.

Never trade early picks.

 

[eastfreo75]

The answer is what's the difference between Langford vs Allan in 5+ years time?
Personally I think it won't be a lot. What about Allan+Gross vs Langford?
Add the leadership and general quality of Baker+Graham for the next 5-6 years to help develop the kids?

It's too hard to measure for sure, but getting Allan and Gross both made sure it wasn't a loss for us overall

You lost Draper or Smith.

 

[bzparkes]

Reid is a generational player. There is a difference between drafting and trading picks.

When you went to the draft, it was a no brainer.

My view is you never trade A talent for multiple B Graders. A lot of examples in the NBA and AFL where it's turned pear shaped.

West Coast could have Sheezel, Reid and Draper as midfield and team to build on. Even, if they went home, Hornes-Francis trade reminds everybody to can still do well out of trading a star.

Never trade early picks.

Sheezel refused to leave Vic and it wouldn't have mattered anyway as North would've picked him first.

Go back and look at all the pick 3s from the last 2 decades and see how many were ultimately worth their draft position.

There's zero guarantee a pick 3 will become a B grader, let alone A grade.

 

[bzparkes]

You lost Draper or Smith.

Smith is Masten 2.0 without the foot skills.

Draper will be a very solid player for sure, but no guarantees he becomes a match winner.

 

[eastfreo75]

Sheezel refused to leave Vic and it wouldn't have mattered anyway as North would've picked him first.

Go back and look at all the pick 3s from the last 2 decades and see how many were ultimately worth their draft position.

There's zero guarantee a pick 3 will become a B grader, let alone A grade.

It's about percentages.

Would like pick 1 or ten picks 40s?

 

[chaddy22]

Do you think it was a good outcome?

Those trades make your team better straight away but it hurts the ceiling. I can see the Eagles getting out of the bottom 3 but at what cost in 2025.

Look at the Judd trade,. Carlton got better straight away with Judd and they never made a grand final. Trading Kennedy destroyed the heights that the Blues could have built and West Coast won a flag.

Baker is an elite small forward/midfielder and can play back. How old is he?

Our drafting/trading was a good outcome.
We have ended up with extra picks to either go for Warner or have early picks for some young talent.
Our drafting was given thumbs up by most knowledgeable people who know about drafts.
Like all drafts we won't know how good it is for awhile.
As usual Dockers fans know better.
By the way i think Maric and Hutchinson who we got in the mid season drafts will turn into decent players.

 

[TheUnicorn]

 

[bzparkes]

It's about percentages.

Would like pick 1 or ten picks 40s?

We didn't get 10 picks in the 40s though.

We got 3 proven senior players, 1 pick in the 40s and a bloke a number of clubs were considering using a top 10 pick on, in a draft with no particular standouts.

The domino effect also meant we got additional picks in this year's draft, which we need to match picks on our NGA and FS draftees this year.

Pick 3 in isolation wouldn't likely massively improve our side, if at all.

We've just seen North get smashed every year for the better part of a decade and whilst a few individuals have been standouts, the team as a whole is yet to show any improvement. They've now gone all in on good senior players in one draft, because previous efforts bore no fruit.

WCE have turned over more than half the list in the past 3 years and the 2018 flag proves you don't need a ton of top picks to win a flag, considering 3 of our 5 top 20 picks on the list didn't play any part in finals.

Meanwhile, other clubs have had multiple top 5 picks and never even played finals with those players, let alone looked like challenging.

After looking at how badly the likes of Carlton, Melbourne, and more recently North, have botched their rebuilds, the last thing WCE should do is follow the same path.

 

[demondavey]

From absolutely ****n nowhere too. They dont have premiership windows, just solid walls and vacant blocks

Good club, very good club.

 

[Pistol Night]

Good club, very good club.

I think it was 2010 they were shithouse and then pushed us deep into a qualifying final at the G the year later. 2017 and sometime about 2018 too.

 

[Purple Suit]

We drafted Hough, Bazzo and Jack Williams along with Chesser in 2021.
Bazzo is a KPD who has had a lot of injuries but realistically wouldn't have played much anyway behind Barrass amd Gov.
Hough and J.Williams were awesome picks.
In 2022 we got Ginbey, Hewett, Burgiel, Barnett and Long.
Ginbey looks like he just needed the right role, which is half back, Barnett is a ruckman so he gets a pass, and Long looked good before getting injured last year.
Hewett I still consider a bargain despite his injuries, should be our 2nd best young player behind Reid

Pretty solid haul over those 2 years

Solid? I count 2 guaranteed players from 2 drafts atm for a club desperate for talent & tons of opportunity to give kids games.

Williams is averaging 8 disposals, less than a goal a game and 5 hit outs. Not exactly awesome. Chesser looks a bust & Bazzo barely sighted.

Hewitt & Long have missed the whole of last season after showing tiny glimpses but never blowing apart a game. They could turn it around but are currently tracking like Culley from an outsiders point of view.

Ginbey is serviceable but has been moved from the midfield so looks like an expense pick for an undersized 3rd Tall defender but has time to move back.

 

[stallon]

You lost Draper or Smith.

I strongly believe they were never really options for us.
Imo we were FOS or split the pick. Too many kids wanna stay home or play in vic

 

[stallon]

Solid? I count 2 guaranteed players from 2 drafts atm for a club desperate for talent & tons of opportunity to give kids games.

Williams is averaging 8 disposals, less than a goal a game and 5 hit outs. Not exactly awesome. Chesser looks a bust & Bazzo barely sighted.

Williams will be a good player. He's already better at rucking than most ruck/fwds, just needs more supply as a fwd to make the most of it. He won't be the worst WA Kpf from his draft (jvr and amiss)

Hewitt & Long have missed the whole of last season after showing tiny glimpses but never blowing apart a game. They could turn it around but are currently tracking like Culley from an outsiders point of view.

Hewett has shown more than enough for me.
long for a pick in the 50s has more than proved himself worthy of the pick.

Ginbey is serviceable but has been moved from the midfield so looks like an expense pick for an undersized 3rd Tall defender but has time to move back.

Ginbey looked very good at half back. He won't be a 3rd tall, he is a running/intercepting player.
He only got used as a 3rd tall last year due to lack of personnel

 

[Pistol Night]

I strongly believe they were never really options for us.
Imo we were FOS or split the pick. Too many kids wanna stay home or play in vic

What the **** for? Perth is awesome