Injury Harris Andrews injury updates :(

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Fatcat08 said:
Brain bleeds don't necessarily happen instantly. I had a friend have one 28 hours after having scans in hospital.
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If 4 years of med school doesn't make you see into the future what's the point mate?
 
I’d like to see him have the rest of the year off. Get him doing some coaching.

They may only suspect two or three weeks out but Jesus, the symptoms after a hit like that aren’t generally fully cleared up for over month according to my research. At the end of the day, all parties involved are doing what’s best for Harris. And that’s the main thing.
 
cotter101 said:
I’d like to see him have the rest of the year off. Get him doing some coaching.

They may only suspect two or three weeks out but Jesus, the symptoms after a hit like that aren’t generally fully cleared up for over month according to my research. At the end of the day, all parties involved are doing what’s best for Harris. And that’s the main thing.
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You had him stuffed until March "at best" earlier today. You should be careful with doctor google.;)
These type of injuries are not generic, one size fits all scenarios. Let's leave it to the specialists, otherwise you just get unjustifiably upset for professionals not agreeing with your expertise.
A couple of hours on google doesn't qualify anyone to make a prognosis or rehab schedule.
Let's just hope he recovers well, and swiftly.
 

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Speedy recovery to Harris-Andrews hoping he comes good sooner than later and no long term consequences.

One of your many young gun players. Take the opportunity to say really like your list and season thus far.
 
MacMum said:
...and they missed a brain bleed.

That is my opinion on the matter you and others feel differently. Nevertheless the handling of the situation by the club has been talked about on the radio, so I'm not the only one to question it.
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Also don't overplay what they do in a hospital often you're waiting around or hours not being seen by a doctor.
 
I am medically trained. If you think your 'common sense' trumps years of medical training and clinical experience then shut up and scrub into a surgery. Surely you can use your common sense to find and diathermy the bleeding vessel or find the small cancer on a scan or figure out if the medication you are prescribing is going to fix their patient's infection versus kill their kidneys.. After all we live in a democracy and your special snowflake opinion is just as valid as a trained professional!

Firstly on the issue of sending him immediately to hospital, what the **** do you think that would achieve? Harris' jaw was fine. If you have a fracture you can feel it by pushing on the bone. You either have a broken painful bone or you dont. There is no in between. What do you hope to achieve by scanning him then? Prove he doesnt have a broken jaw which you can also prove by pushing on it for 30 seconds? Secondly, a brain bleed takes time to develop. Your body isnt binary. People who hike can attest to this. You can roll your ankle on a rock and then walk a full trail before waking up with a football sized ankle the next day. Same with appendicitis. You see so many parents in the ED complaining about the most typical appendicitis scenario. Yes your kid has appendicitis now. No, the doctor and the ultrasound scan 12 hours ago when all your kid was a vomit and tummy pain was not wrong. Your kid didnt have appendicitis 12 hours ago and now they do. Pathology takes time to develop. If you scanned Harris' head immediately after half time it would be completely normal. A typical presentation for a bleed is exactly as Harris had - there is an initial trauma, a lucid period, and then symptoms. You scan only when you have symptoms. If Harris passed the concussion protocols and was safe enough to walk on his own post game and talk to everyone then scanning his head at that point would not reveal shit. The sensible thing to do is to observe - which is what the club did - and as soon as some symptoms develop - worsening headache, nonstop vomits, balance issues, vision issues etc - then you do the scan and only then will you find something wrong. Also what the **** do you think a scan is? Do you think a magic pixie sprinkles some healing dust on your face and the results just pop out? Each scan you get blasts large volumes of radiation through your body - the same radiation that leads to cancer. Imagine if we scanned everybody every time they had a headknock. Harris and his AFL buddies would have brain tumours by the end of their career. Thats not even mentioning the other scan risks with contrast reactions, failing kidneys etc. A scan has to be worth doing to be worth the radiation. Randomly scanning just because 'its common sense' is a great way of causing injury.

To the people questioning Harris' recovery potential you are misconstruing concussion and a brain bleed. They are completely different things. Concussion is caused only by trauma. Rapid acceleration/deceleration and repeat trauma causes the brain cells to not work properly. We dont know exactly why but a large number of brain cells just stop functioning properly. These symptoms can last days to years and is worse with each subsequent insult (multiple concussions). Brain bleed can be caused by trauma, genetics, high blood pressure, alcohol use, various other things. Essentially there is a hole in a particular blood vessel and blood leaks into the brain. The damage from this is caused by the fact that the skull is a rigid box and the brain is soft and squishy. So if a vessel in your brain bleeds, all this extra blood pours into your skull cavity and ends up pushing on the brain. Your brain cells get injured by the pressure and irritation caused by the blood. If you repair the bleed early enough then the injury to you brain cells is very minimal and you can get back to your normal activity. A previous traumatic brain bleed does not make you more likely to get a second traumatic brain bleed. You can get both concussion and a brain bleed at the same time and the same mechanism can produce both but having one doesnt mean you necessarily have the other condition. There is no doubt Harris could return to football in 2-3 weeks time if all he has is a brain bleed. If he had a nonserious concussion then he could also return within 2-3 weeks time. If he did have a serious concussion and a brain bleed then yes he may be out for longer. Thats why they are assessing him in 2 weeks time. Making him automatically wait out the season makes no sense.

If you dont have a medical background then you have no idea what is proper medical practice and should remain silent and listen to the opinions of other medical practitioners. "Common sense" isnt a medical degree. If you think it is then go up to your nearest hospital and offer to scrub in. Heck you could save the government thousands of dollars in payroll costs if you can replace these charlatan docs with your simple down to earth thinking!
 
MacMum said:
...and they missed a brain bleed.

That is my opinion on the matter you and others feel differently. Nevertheless the handling of the situation by the club has been talked about on the radio, so I'm not the only one to question it.
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Completly agree MacMum. There is absolutly nothing negative about taking HA to the hospital straight away just to do some checks. He was never going to go back on the ground so why not just get him checked out. Maybe the doctors at the hospital wouldn't have seen anything and they might have sent him back or they might have seen something. Hell, l call the phone doctors about my son for heaps of minor things and they are always telling me to go to the hospital (rashes etc.) This wasn't an ordinary head knock, this was obviously a serious one. Yes he was talking normally, but there are plenty cases of delayed onset etc.
 
lionraven said:
I am medically trained. If you think your 'common sense' trumps years of medical training and clinical experience then shut up and scrub into a surgery. Surely you can use your common sense to find and diathermy the bleeding vessel or find the small cancer on a scan or figure out if the medication you are prescribing is going to fix their patient's infection versus kill their kidneys.. After all we live in a democracy and your special snowflake opinion is just as valid as a trained professional!

Firstly on the issue of sending him immediately to hospital, what the **** do you think that would achieve? Harris' jaw was fine. If you have a fracture you can feel it by pushing on the bone. You either have a broken painful bone or you dont. There is no in between. What do you hope to achieve by scanning him then? Prove he doesnt have a broken jaw which you can also prove by pushing on it for 30 seconds? Secondly, a brain bleed takes time to develop. Your body isnt binary. People who hike can attest to this. You can roll your ankle on a rock and then walk a full trail before waking up with a football sized ankle the next day. Same with appendicitis. You see so many parents in the ED complaining about the most typical appendicitis scenario. Yes your kid has appendicitis now. No, the doctor and the ultrasound scan 12 hours ago when all your kid was a vomit and tummy pain was not wrong. Your kid didnt have appendicitis 12 hours ago and now they do. Pathology takes time to develop. If you scanned Harris' head immediately after half time it would be completely normal. A typical presentation for a bleed is exactly as Harris had - there is an initial trauma, a lucid period, and then symptoms. You scan only when you have symptoms. If Harris passed the concussion protocols and was safe enough to walk on his own post game and talk to everyone then scanning his head at that point would not reveal shit. The sensible thing to do is to observe - which is what the club did - and as soon as some symptoms develop - worsening headache, nonstop vomits, balance issues, vision issues etc - then you do the scan and only then will you find something wrong. Also what the **** do you think a scan is? Do you think a magic pixie sprinkles some healing dust on your face and the results just pop out? Each scan you get blasts large volumes of radiation through your body - the same radiation that leads to cancer. Imagine if we scanned everybody every time they had a headknock. Harris and his AFL buddies would have brain tumours by the end of their career. Thats not even mentioning the other scan risks with contrast reactions, failing kidneys etc. A scan has to be worth doing to be worth the radiation. Randomly scanning just because 'its common sense' is a great way of causing injury.

To the people questioning Harris' recovery potential you are misconstruing concussion and a brain bleed. They are completely different things. Concussion is caused only by trauma. Rapid acceleration/deceleration and repeat trauma causes the brain cells to not work properly. We dont know exactly why but a large number of brain cells just stop functioning properly. These symptoms can last days to years and is worse with each subsequent insult (multiple concussions). Brain bleed can be caused by trauma, genetics, high blood pressure, alcohol use, various other things. Essentially there is a hole in a particular blood vessel and blood leaks into the brain. The damage from this is caused by the fact that the skull is a rigid box and the brain is soft and squishy. So if a vessel in your brain bleeds, all this extra blood pours into your skull cavity and ends up pushing on the brain. Your brain cells get injured by the pressure and irritation caused by the blood. If you repair the bleed early enough then the injury to you brain cells is very minimal and you can get back to your normal activity. A previous traumatic brain bleed does not make you more likely to get a second traumatic brain bleed. You can get both concussion and a brain bleed at the same time and the same mechanism can produce both but having one doesnt mean you necessarily have the other condition. There is no doubt Harris could return to football in 2-3 weeks time if all he has is a brain bleed. If he had a nonserious concussion then he could also return within 2-3 weeks time. If he did have a serious concussion and a brain bleed then yes he may be out for longer. Thats why they are assessing him in 2 weeks time. Making him automatically wait out the season makes no sense.

If you dont have a medical background then you have no idea what is proper medical practice and should remain silent and listen to the opinions of other medical practitioners. "Common sense" isnt a medical degree. If you think it is then go up to your nearest hospital and offer to scrub in. Heck you could save the government thousands of dollars in payroll costs if you can replace these charlatan docs with your simple down to earth thinking!
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Bravo! Tremendous commonsense ;) post from a medical professional. Thank you lionraven.
 
a mayes ing said:
Completly agree MacMum. There is absolutly nothing negative about taking HA to the hospital straight away just to do some checks. He was never going to go back on the ground so why not just get him checked out. Maybe the doctors at the hospital wouldn't have seen anything and they might have sent him back or they might have seen something. Hell, l call the phone doctors about my son for heaps of minor things and they are always telling me to go to the hospital (rashes etc.) This wasn't an ordinary head knock, this was obviously a serious one. Yes he was talking normally, but there are plenty cases of delayed onset etc.
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a mayes ing, you need to read the post directly above yours.
 
a mayes ing said:
Completly agree MacMum. There is absolutly nothing negative about taking HA to the hospital straight away just to do some checks. He was never going to go back on the ground so why not just get him checked out. Maybe the doctors at the hospital wouldn't have seen anything and they might have sent him back or they might have seen something. Hell, l call the phone doctors about my son for heaps of minor things and they are always telling me to go to the hospital (rashes etc.) This wasn't an ordinary head knock, this was obviously a serious one. Yes he was talking normally, but there are plenty cases of delayed onset etc.
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They tell you that on the phone because they want you to come to a place where a trained professional; ie someone with a medical license in good standing with proper experience, can assess you and decide if you need further management. Thats what the club doctors are for. They assessed Harris and thought his condition did not warrant any further investigation at this stage but did warrant observation - which is exactly what they did - observed him for signs of bleeding. Once he did have signs then he got sent in for further scans - ie proper practice.
 
I am also medically trained and completely agree with lionraven's post. There's evidence based practice guidelines than you follow and sometimes things don't the way you expect, and that's why there's checks along the way to make sure you don't miss anything.

I've seen specialists in their field assess a CT brain scan and see nothing, just for the patient to come back in hours later more confused and drowsy and the repeat scan shows a small bleed. For example, a subdural haematoma is the tearing of small bridging veins. The leakage from these veins can be slow that it can take a long time before you see these bleeds on a CT brain or the clinical manifestations.
 
jason pm said:
Bravo! Tremendous commonsense ;) post from a medical professional. Thank you lionraven.
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Im sorry I was crude in my reply. Im tired of working every day with people who think they absolutely know better because they googled a few terms and their friend told them something. If you are a lawyer and your client decides Dobbo from down the street knows better you can say your client is hostile and leave. If you are an accountant and your client decides to commit fraud you just leave and let the tax man know. If my patient decides they will listen to their faith healer woo-woo healing crystal lady neighbour than myself I am obligated to spend hours of my day making sure this person knows exactly what the **** they are in for and try to convince them to stay otherwise you know this person is going to come back 6 months from now with a giant fungating cancer and a lawyer suing you for not trying harder to convince this snowflake that magic beans wont make their breast cancer disappear. Cancer sucks but people can suck more.
 

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lionraven said:
I am medically trained. If you think your 'common sense' trumps years of medical training and clinical experience then shut up and scrub into a surgery. Surely you can use your common sense to find and diathermy the bleeding vessel or find the small cancer on a scan or figure out if the medication you are prescribing is going to fix their patient's infection versus kill their kidneys.. After all we live in a democracy and your special snowflake opinion is just as valid as a trained professional!

Firstly on the issue of sending him immediately to hospital, what the **** do you think that would achieve? Harris' jaw was fine. If you have a fracture you can feel it by pushing on the bone. You either have a broken painful bone or you dont. There is no in between. What do you hope to achieve by scanning him then? Prove he doesnt have a broken jaw which you can also prove by pushing on it for 30 seconds? Secondly, a brain bleed takes time to develop. Your body isnt binary. People who hike can attest to this. You can roll your ankle on a rock and then walk a full trail before waking up with a football sized ankle the next day. Same with appendicitis. You see so many parents in the ED complaining about the most typical appendicitis scenario. Yes your kid has appendicitis now. No, the doctor and the ultrasound scan 12 hours ago when all your kid was a vomit and tummy pain was not wrong. Your kid didnt have appendicitis 12 hours ago and now they do. Pathology takes time to develop. If you scanned Harris' head immediately after half time it would be completely normal. A typical presentation for a bleed is exactly as Harris had - there is an initial trauma, a lucid period, and then symptoms. You scan only when you have symptoms. If Harris passed the concussion protocols and was safe enough to walk on his own post game and talk to everyone then scanning his head at that point would not reveal shit. The sensible thing to do is to observe - which is what the club did - and as soon as some symptoms develop - worsening headache, nonstop vomits, balance issues, vision issues etc - then you do the scan and only then will you find something wrong. Also what the **** do you think a scan is? Do you think a magic pixie sprinkles some healing dust on your face and the results just pop out? Each scan you get blasts large volumes of radiation through your body - the same radiation that leads to cancer. Imagine if we scanned everybody every time they had a headknock. Harris and his AFL buddies would have brain tumours by the end of their career. Thats not even mentioning the other scan risks with contrast reactions, failing kidneys etc. A scan has to be worth doing to be worth the radiation. Randomly scanning just because 'its common sense' is a great way of causing injury.

To the people questioning Harris' recovery potential you are misconstruing concussion and a brain bleed. They are completely different things. Concussion is caused only by trauma. Rapid acceleration/deceleration and repeat trauma causes the brain cells to not work properly. We dont know exactly why but a large number of brain cells just stop functioning properly. These symptoms can last days to years and is worse with each subsequent insult (multiple concussions). Brain bleed can be caused by trauma, genetics, high blood pressure, alcohol use, various other things. Essentially there is a hole in a particular blood vessel and blood leaks into the brain. The damage from this is caused by the fact that the skull is a rigid box and the brain is soft and squishy. So if a vessel in your brain bleeds, all this extra blood pours into your skull cavity and ends up pushing on the brain. Your brain cells get injured by the pressure and irritation caused by the blood. If you repair the bleed early enough then the injury to you brain cells is very minimal and you can get back to your normal activity. A previous traumatic brain bleed does not make you more likely to get a second traumatic brain bleed. You can get both concussion and a brain bleed at the same time and the same mechanism can produce both but having one doesnt mean you necessarily have the other condition. There is no doubt Harris could return to football in 2-3 weeks time if all he has is a brain bleed. If he had a nonserious concussion then he could also return within 2-3 weeks time. If he did have a serious concussion and a brain bleed then yes he may be out for longer. Thats why they are assessing him in 2 weeks time. Making him automatically wait out the season makes no sense.

If you dont have a medical background then you have no idea what is proper medical practice and should remain silent and listen to the opinions of other medical practitioners. "Common sense" isnt a medical degree. If you think it is then go up to your nearest hospital and offer to scrub in. Heck you could save the government thousands of dollars in payroll costs if you can replace these charlatan docs with your simple down to earth thinking!
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thank you, great post.
 
lionraven said:
I am medically trained. If you think your 'common sense' trumps years of medical training and clinical experience then shut up and scrub into a surgery. Surely you can use your common sense to find and diathermy the bleeding vessel or find the small cancer on a scan or figure out if the medication you are prescribing is going to fix their patient's infection versus kill their kidneys.. After all we live in a democracy and your special snowflake opinion is just as valid as a trained professional!

Firstly on the issue of sending him immediately to hospital, what the **** do you think that would achieve? Harris' jaw was fine. If you have a fracture you can feel it by pushing on the bone. You either have a broken painful bone or you dont. There is no in between. What do you hope to achieve by scanning him then? Prove he doesnt have a broken jaw which you can also prove by pushing on it for 30 seconds? Secondly, a brain bleed takes time to develop. Your body isnt binary. People who hike can attest to this. You can roll your ankle on a rock and then walk a full trail before waking up with a football sized ankle the next day. Same with appendicitis. You see so many parents in the ED complaining about the most typical appendicitis scenario. Yes your kid has appendicitis now. No, the doctor and the ultrasound scan 12 hours ago when all your kid was a vomit and tummy pain was not wrong. Your kid didnt have appendicitis 12 hours ago and now they do. Pathology takes time to develop. If you scanned Harris' head immediately after half time it would be completely normal. A typical presentation for a bleed is exactly as Harris had - there is an initial trauma, a lucid period, and then symptoms. You scan only when you have symptoms. If Harris passed the concussion protocols and was safe enough to walk on his own post game and talk to everyone then scanning his head at that point would not reveal shit. The sensible thing to do is to observe - which is what the club did - and as soon as some symptoms develop - worsening headache, nonstop vomits, balance issues, vision issues etc - then you do the scan and only then will you find something wrong. Also what the **** do you think a scan is? Do you think a magic pixie sprinkles some healing dust on your face and the results just pop out? Each scan you get blasts large volumes of radiation through your body - the same radiation that leads to cancer. Imagine if we scanned everybody every time they had a headknock. Harris and his AFL buddies would have brain tumours by the end of their career. Thats not even mentioning the other scan risks with contrast reactions, failing kidneys etc. A scan has to be worth doing to be worth the radiation. Randomly scanning just because 'its common sense' is a great way of causing injury.

To the people questioning Harris' recovery potential you are misconstruing concussion and a brain bleed. They are completely different things. Concussion is caused only by trauma. Rapid acceleration/deceleration and repeat trauma causes the brain cells to not work properly. We dont know exactly why but a large number of brain cells just stop functioning properly. These symptoms can last days to years and is worse with each subsequent insult (multiple concussions). Brain bleed can be caused by trauma, genetics, high blood pressure, alcohol use, various other things. Essentially there is a hole in a particular blood vessel and blood leaks into the brain. The damage from this is caused by the fact that the skull is a rigid box and the brain is soft and squishy. So if a vessel in your brain bleeds, all this extra blood pours into your skull cavity and ends up pushing on the brain. Your brain cells get injured by the pressure and irritation caused by the blood. If you repair the bleed early enough then the injury to you brain cells is very minimal and you can get back to your normal activity. A previous traumatic brain bleed does not make you more likely to get a second traumatic brain bleed. You can get both concussion and a brain bleed at the same time and the same mechanism can produce both but having one doesnt mean you necessarily have the other condition. There is no doubt Harris could return to football in 2-3 weeks time if all he has is a brain bleed. If he had a nonserious concussion then he could also return within 2-3 weeks time. If he did have a serious concussion and a brain bleed then yes he may be out for longer. Thats why they are assessing him in 2 weeks time. Making him automatically wait out the season makes no sense.

If you dont have a medical background then you have no idea what is proper medical practice and should remain silent and listen to the opinions of other medical practitioners. "Common sense" isnt a medical degree. If you think it is then go up to your nearest hospital and offer to scrub in. Heck you could save the government thousands of dollars in payroll costs if you can replace these charlatan docs with your simple down to earth thinking!
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I love this. Please be my doctor.
 
lionraven said:
I am medically trained. If you think your 'common sense' trumps years of medical training and clinical experience then shut up and scrub into a surgery. Surely you can use your common sense to find and diathermy the bleeding vessel or find the small cancer on a scan or figure out if the medication you are prescribing is going to fix their patient's infection versus kill their kidneys.. After all we live in a democracy and your special snowflake opinion is just as valid as a trained professional!

Firstly on the issue of sending him immediately to hospital, what the **** do you think that would achieve? Harris' jaw was fine. If you have a fracture you can feel it by pushing on the bone. You either have a broken painful bone or you dont. There is no in between. What do you hope to achieve by scanning him then? Prove he doesnt have a broken jaw which you can also prove by pushing on it for 30 seconds? Secondly, a brain bleed takes time to develop. Your body isnt binary. People who hike can attest to this. You can roll your ankle on a rock and then walk a full trail before waking up with a football sized ankle the next day. Same with appendicitis. You see so many parents in the ED complaining about the most typical appendicitis scenario. Yes your kid has appendicitis now. No, the doctor and the ultrasound scan 12 hours ago when all your kid was a vomit and tummy pain was not wrong. Your kid didnt have appendicitis 12 hours ago and now they do. Pathology takes time to develop. If you scanned Harris' head immediately after half time it would be completely normal. A typical presentation for a bleed is exactly as Harris had - there is an initial trauma, a lucid period, and then symptoms. You scan only when you have symptoms. If Harris passed the concussion protocols and was safe enough to walk on his own post game and talk to everyone then scanning his head at that point would not reveal shit. The sensible thing to do is to observe - which is what the club did - and as soon as some symptoms develop - worsening headache, nonstop vomits, balance issues, vision issues etc - then you do the scan and only then will you find something wrong. Also what the **** do you think a scan is? Do you think a magic pixie sprinkles some healing dust on your face and the results just pop out? Each scan you get blasts large volumes of radiation through your body - the same radiation that leads to cancer. Imagine if we scanned everybody every time they had a headknock. Harris and his AFL buddies would have brain tumours by the end of their career. Thats not even mentioning the other scan risks with contrast reactions, failing kidneys etc. A scan has to be worth doing to be worth the radiation. Randomly scanning just because 'its common sense' is a great way of causing injury.

To the people questioning Harris' recovery potential you are misconstruing concussion and a brain bleed. They are completely different things. Concussion is caused only by trauma. Rapid acceleration/deceleration and repeat trauma causes the brain cells to not work properly. We dont know exactly why but a large number of brain cells just stop functioning properly. These symptoms can last days to years and is worse with each subsequent insult (multiple concussions). Brain bleed can be caused by trauma, genetics, high blood pressure, alcohol use, various other things. Essentially there is a hole in a particular blood vessel and blood leaks into the brain. The damage from this is caused by the fact that the skull is a rigid box and the brain is soft and squishy. So if a vessel in your brain bleeds, all this extra blood pours into your skull cavity and ends up pushing on the brain. Your brain cells get injured by the pressure and irritation caused by the blood. If you repair the bleed early enough then the injury to you brain cells is very minimal and you can get back to your normal activity. A previous traumatic brain bleed does not make you more likely to get a second traumatic brain bleed. You can get both concussion and a brain bleed at the same time and the same mechanism can produce both but having one doesnt mean you necessarily have the other condition. There is no doubt Harris could return to football in 2-3 weeks time if all he has is a brain bleed. If he had a nonserious concussion then he could also return within 2-3 weeks time. If he did have a serious concussion and a brain bleed then yes he may be out for longer. Thats why they are assessing him in 2 weeks time. Making him automatically wait out the season makes no sense.

If you dont have a medical background then you have no idea what is proper medical practice and should remain silent and listen to the opinions of other medical practitioners. "Common sense" isnt a medical degree. If you think it is then go up to your nearest hospital and offer to scrub in. Heck you could save the government thousands of dollars in payroll costs if you can replace these charlatan docs with your simple down to earth thinking!
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Glad to see someone has written some good information on the topic. I work as an intensive care nurse so I see lots of patients with bleeding in the brain. .

I have no idea about the recovery of someone and returning to sport but I can say I have seen anything from small bleeds in the brain to significant bleeds that any one can see on a scan and the one's that recover well are young people. I think it's likely that a small bleed such as the one Andrews has had is something that will have little to no effect on the rest of his life but on his return to sport...no idea. If he's discharged within a few days of being admitted then I would say it must have been a very small bleed.
 
Gibbo_88 said:
Glad to see someone has written some good information on the topic. I work as an intensive care nurse so I see lots of patients with bleeding in the brain. .

I have no idea about the recovery of someone and returning to sport but I can say I have seen anything from small bleeds in the brain to significant bleeds that any one can see on a scan and the one's that recover well are young people. I think it's likely that a small bleed such as the one Andrews has had is something that will have little to no effect on the rest of his life but on his return to sport...no idea. If he's discharged within a few days of being admitted then I would say it must have been a very small bleed.
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Didn't he leave the hospital Sunday night and staying with his parents now?
 
Saucery said:
I am sure Eddie is in constant contact with Cameron's manager about a move south in the future.

And Ben Cousins got 12 MONTHS for admitting to addiction issues, but you only get maybe a few weeks for attempted murder.
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I don't think it is attempted murder.. He obviously wanted Andrews to "earn" it, probably what his coach says to make him second guess going for those intercepts.
 

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