Player Watch Harry DeMattia

[Jen2310]

Harry and Noble and very different players, and especially now they have him playing wing.

 

[stormskye]

Apologies for the random bump but I was watching one of Jen's training videos and saw Harry in there and it made me wonder what the deal is with him?

For those watching the VFL more closely than I, is he progressing?

It seems odd to me that our first pick in last year's draft I don't think has even been an emergency (I stand to be corrected here) let alone get a game? Yet TJ has already achieved both.

I'm aware he had his finger injury but that was a while back now.

Pick 25 in the end so let’s not act like he’s a top 5 pick. Perhaps would be better to look at the top 30 and see how many have played

 

[JuniorB]

Pick 25 in the end so let’s not act like he’s a top 5 pick. Perhaps would be better to look at the top 30 and see how many have played

Plus he missed a third of the season with a finger injury.
He's starting to show a bit.
I hope he does well.

 

[sam_e]

nah, pick #25 is fine and so are the rest of the national draft spots.

just need a team that's above average at talent iD!

2023 afl national draft

• 64 players selected
• 34 have already debuted in 2023
  • 17 taken before HDM (pick #25) have debuted
  • 17 selected after HDM (pick #25) have debuted
  • 10 of 30 yet to debut are KP or rucks and > 197 cms (most > 200cms)
• total 262 games played by 2023 draftees thus far in 2024
• of 262 total games:
  • 149 games (57%) for players selected before #25
  • 113 games (43%) for players selected after #25

Round	Player	Club	2024 Debut	Games Played	Height (cms)
1​	Harley Reid	West Coast	Yes	16
2​	Colby McKercher	North Melbourne	Yes	12
3​	Jed Walter	Gold Coast	Yes	12
4​	Zane Duursma	North Melbourne	Yes	11
5​	Nick Watson	Hawthorn	Yes	12
6​	Ryley Sanders	Western Bulldogs	Yes	14
7​	Caleb Windsor	Melbourne	Yes	19
8​	Daniel Curtin	Adelaide	Yes	3
9​	Ethan Read	Gold Coast	Yes	4
10​	Nate Caddy	Essendon	Yes	6
11​	Connor O'Sullivan	Geelong	Yes	1
12​	Phoenix Gothard	GWS
13​	Koltyn Tholstrup	Melbourne	Yes	6
14​	Jake Rogers	Gold Coast	Yes	6
15​	Jordan Croft	Western Bulldogs			201​
16​	Will Green	Sydney			204​
17​	James Leake	GWS
18​	Darcy Wilson	St Kilda	Yes	19
19​	Will McCabe	Hawthorn			197​
20​	Taylor Goad	North Melbourne			207​
21​	Charlie Edwards	Adelaide
22​	Wil Dawson	North Melbourne	Yes	3
23​	Riley Hardeman	North Melbourne	Yes	3
24​	Caiden Cleary	Sydney	Yes	2
25​	Harry DeMattia	Collingwood
26​	Will Graham	Gold Coast	Yes	13
27​	Oscar Ryan	Adelaide
28​	Lance Collard	St Kilda	Yes	3
29​	Ashton Moir	Carlton
30​	Archer Reid	West Coast			203​
31​	Logan Morris	Brisbane Lions	Yes	11
32​	Mitchell Edwards	Geelong			205​
33​	Angus Hastie	St Kilda	Yes	5
34​	Billy Wilson	Carlton
35​	Cooper Simpson	Fremantle	Yes	2
36​	Shaun Mannagh	Geelong	Yes	6
37​	Tew Jiath	Collingwood	Yes	1
38​	Clay Hall	West Coast
39​	Luamon Lual	Essendon
40​	Kane McAuliffe	Richmond	Yes	9
41​	Ollie Murphy	Fremantle			200​
42​	Luke Lloyd	Brisbane Lions
43​	Liam Fawcett	Richmond			197​
44​	Joseph Fonti	GWS	Yes	4
45​	Joel Freijah	Western Bulldogs	Yes	10
46​	Bodie Ryan	Hawthorn
47​	Lachlan Smith	Western Bulldogs			203​
48​	Thomas Anastasopoulos	Port Adelaide
49​	Harvey Johnston	West Coast	Yes	2
50​	Hugo Garcia	St Kilda	Yes	7
51​	Zane Zakostelsky	Brisbane Lions			198​
52​	Lachlan Charleson	Port Adelaide
53​	Patrick Snell	Sydney
54​	Archie Roberts	Essendon
55​	Aiden O'Driscoll	Western Bulldogs
56​	Calsher Dear	Hawthorn	Yes	11
57​	Will Lorenz	Port Adelaide	Yes	1
58​	George Stevens	Geelong
59​	Harvey Thomas	GWS	Yes	19
60​	Jack Delean	Fremantle
61​	Oliver Wiltshire	Geelong
62​	Arie Schoenmaker	St Kilda	Yes	4
63​	Lawson Humphries	Geelong	Yes	5
64​	Reece Torrent	Brisbane Lions
64			34	262	10​

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Pick 25 in the end so let’s not act like he’s a top 5 pick. Perhaps would be better to look at the top 30 and see how many have played

Did I act like he’s a Top 5 pick?

I was just wondering how he was progressing and found it odd the player who was picked after him in a position that we don’t have injuries in has managed to progress further

 

[Go Woods]

We need him to make it, I'm quite bullish about his future with the Pies.

 

[doofdoof]

Logan Morris

 

[cakewalk06]

Patience. Not all youngsters are daicos, Reid or Sheezel.

Harry may or may not make it but fair dinkum the expectations are ridiculous. He missed a big chunk of his FIRST season with a serious finger injury FFS.

 

[No SPIN]

Patience is sadly a rare commodity here when discussing player development.
I still vividly remember people wanting Murphy delisted.

 

[sr36]

nah, pick #25 is fine and so are the rest of the national draft spots.

just need a team that's above average at talent iD!

2023 afl national draft

• 64 players selected
• 34 have already debuted in 2023
  • 17 taken before HDM (pick #25) have debuted
  • 17 selected after HDM (pick #25) have debuted
  • 10 of 30 yet to debut are KP or rucks and > 197 cms (most > 200cms)
• total 262 games played by 2023 draftees thus far in 2024
• of 262 total games:
  • 149 games (57%) for players selected before #25
  • 113 games (43%) for players selected after #25

Round	Player	Club	2024 Debut	Games Played	Height (cms)
1​	Harley Reid	West Coast	Yes	16
2​	Colby McKercher	North Melbourne	Yes	12
3​	Jed Walter	Gold Coast	Yes	12
4​	Zane Duursma	North Melbourne	Yes	11
5​	Nick Watson	Hawthorn	Yes	12
6​	Ryley Sanders	Western Bulldogs	Yes	14
7​	Caleb Windsor	Melbourne	Yes	19
8​	Daniel Curtin	Adelaide	Yes	3
9​	Ethan Read	Gold Coast	Yes	4
10​	Nate Caddy	Essendon	Yes	6
11​	Connor O'Sullivan	Geelong	Yes	1
12​	Phoenix Gothard	GWS
13​	Koltyn Tholstrup	Melbourne	Yes	6
14​	Jake Rogers	Gold Coast	Yes	6
15​	Jordan Croft	Western Bulldogs			201​
16​	Will Green	Sydney			204​
17​	James Leake	GWS
18​	Darcy Wilson	St Kilda	Yes	19
19​	Will McCabe	Hawthorn			197​
20​	Taylor Goad	North Melbourne			207​
21​	Charlie Edwards	Adelaide
22​	Wil Dawson	North Melbourne	Yes	3
23​	Riley Hardeman	North Melbourne	Yes	3
24​	Caiden Cleary	Sydney	Yes	2
25​	Harry DeMattia	Collingwood
26​	Will Graham	Gold Coast	Yes	13
27​	Oscar Ryan	Adelaide
28​	Lance Collard	St Kilda	Yes	3
29​	Ashton Moir	Carlton
30​	Archer Reid	West Coast			203​
31​	Logan Morris	Brisbane Lions	Yes	11
32​	Mitchell Edwards	Geelong			205​
33​	Angus Hastie	St Kilda	Yes	5
34​	Billy Wilson	Carlton
35​	Cooper Simpson	Fremantle	Yes	2
36​	Shaun Mannagh	Geelong	Yes	6
37​	Tew Jiath	Collingwood	Yes	1
38​	Clay Hall	West Coast
39​	Luamon Lual	Essendon
40​	Kane McAuliffe	Richmond	Yes	9
41​	Ollie Murphy	Fremantle			200​
42​	Luke Lloyd	Brisbane Lions
43​	Liam Fawcett	Richmond			197​
44​	Joseph Fonti	GWS	Yes	4
45​	Joel Freijah	Western Bulldogs	Yes	10
46​	Bodie Ryan	Hawthorn
47​	Lachlan Smith	Western Bulldogs			203​
48​	Thomas Anastasopoulos	Port Adelaide
49​	Harvey Johnston	West Coast	Yes	2
50​	Hugo Garcia	St Kilda	Yes	7
51​	Zane Zakostelsky	Brisbane Lions			198​
52​	Lachlan Charleson	Port Adelaide
53​	Patrick Snell	Sydney
54​	Archie Roberts	Essendon
55​	Aiden O'Driscoll	Western Bulldogs
56​	Calsher Dear	Hawthorn	Yes	11
57​	Will Lorenz	Port Adelaide	Yes	1
58​	George Stevens	Geelong
59​	Harvey Thomas	GWS	Yes	19
60​	Jack Delean	Fremantle
61​	Oliver Wiltshire	Geelong
62​	Arie Schoenmaker	St Kilda	Yes	4
63​	Lawson Humphries	Geelong	Yes	5
64​	Reece Torrent	Brisbane Lions
64			34	262	10​

You don't draft for Year 1 - we used SSP for that.

 

[sam_e]

You don't draft for Year 1 - we used SSP for that.

Players taken in the draft can and do contribute year 1 (clearly, less so tall KP /ruck types) ..and into the future. This concept of draft ‘lottery’ is the biggest dross I’ve ever read.

 

[sr36]

Players taken in the draft can and do contribute year 1 (clearly, less so tall KP /ruck types) ..and into the future. This concept of draft ‘lottery’ is the biggest dross I’ve ever read.

I know they do, but the success or failure of a draft selection isn't about year 1. Other than a few who look like clear hits - the result of the rest are still unknown.

"draft lottery" is just because a high percentage don't have sustained careers - and there is a fair bit of luck involved as clubs are predicting the future physical, mental and emotional development of teenagers.

 

[sam_e]

"draft lottery" is just because a high percentage don't have sustained careers - and there is a fair bit of luck involved as clubs are predicting the future physical, mental and emotional development of teenagers.

“luck” also involved in assessing current skill-set / physical attributes /ability to play the game today as predictors of potential future state.

point is, it’s NOT just ‘uncontrollable’ happenstance /luck, so our talent ID team should be best-in-class at focusing on the non ‘luck’ part

 

[sr36]

“luck” also involved in assessing current skill-set / physical attributes /ability to play the game today as predictors of potential future state.

point is, it’s NOT just ‘uncontrollable’ happenstance /luck, so our talent ID team should be best-in-class at focusing on the non ‘luck’ part

We've had a shit run at the draft recently and I'm not bullish about any of our VFL kids.

But luck isn't just about the development of the player you pick, it's also about who falls to you. At the stage of the draft that we usually pick, you could have the best ordered draft board in the country and still end up with misses. Whilst someone picking after you could snag a gun with a worse ordered draft board.

Dekka as head of recruiting has survived multiple changes in all other roles in the club. The club would have access to all our draft boards and be able to assess the recruiting department's work much more effectively than us. Or in other words, who knows if Dekka has become shit or whether we've just been unlucky.

 

[SouthernPie]

I often think of Swanny being picked at 58 in the 2001 draft. It took him 5 years to consistently get a spot in the senior side.
Not making any comparisons between he and Harry at all, but I reckon we could afford to have more patience with him