Coach Has Ken Hinkley Been Found Out?

[port_adelaide_1870]

always seemed to get marginal calls in their favour for all-australian teams and are consistently over represented in that side for mine

darcy byrne jones is one of the 8 all-australians you talk about ffs.

To be fair he won our best and fairest in a year we made a prelim. Was very good that single year

 

[Schulzenfest]

They were in the game until they suffered two night ending injuries. No one had beaten the Lions there. Give the guy a break. A very good coach.

Yeah sure but if we hadn't shit the bed and lost four games in a row a month ago we wouldn't have had to play them there.

So, Ken is a total dud? How has he achieved an almost 60 percent win rate then? 4th best of all current coaches. Not to mention being a two time AFL coach of the year.

If they had managed to beat the Pies or Geelong (where they were ravaged with injuries and performed brilliantly) they would have had a home final last night, and likely set for another home preliminary final against the Blues or the Demons. It really is a game of inches sometimes.

Do you even want them to win next week?

He's not a total dud in the home and away season. He is a total dud when it matters.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

Hinkley is living life to the max.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Kenny is not the problem
The players are responsible for not getting the job done. The coach isn’t laying tackles, chaining passes or kicking goals.

#s#standbyken

The coach is responsible for setting standards for players to live up to.
His output over a long time has been only slightly better than average - and given the length of his tenure without even a grand final appearance it is an outlier (the longest coach to serve at one club to go without a grand final appearance)
It was starkly exposed after last years game against the hawks where after being unexpectedly pumped by 10 goals, on a significant night for port (Russell Ebert tribute) ken tells the press "I dont know how we lost, we achieved all our kpis"

 

[Crankyhawk]

Reality is he’s probably 5th to 8th best coach in the league.

Which is good, and good luck finding a better one, but it’s not flag good.

McRae Hardwick Clarko Goodwin Longmire Bevo Fagan.

Take your pick on where he ranks out of the last 4 - 3 have flags but have huge gameplan gaps in their current teams and obvious deficiencies- I’d take 2023 Ken over 2023 Longmire & Bevo that’s for sure

Yet compare the media pressure on Beveridge this year vs the total media support for Hinkley this year (until he was re signed)

 

[rapidfire7]

We finished 5th because we went from top of the ladder with 11 wins at the end of Round 14 to only win 3 out of our last 9 games and finish 5th. If we had an sort of mental fortitude we wouldn't have been that low to begin with.

Sounds a bit like this year, because surprise surprise we've lived this s**t before

Ken did an incredible job in 2013/14. Rescuing your club from years in obscurity, to being a legitimate force once again.

However, no one expected you to come within a whisker of the Hawks in the 2014 prelim (who with the Swans, were far and away the best teams that year), and Ken and your club were lauded for their efforts.

It would have been a MASSIVE boil over if you had won that game.

I get your frustration to a point, but to imply that you were the best team that year and should have won the flag is simply untrue.

 

[jakson68]

Ken lacks a bit defensively but lets get real Port supporters.
Your list isn't that great, so he has done well with what he has.

You have a couple of good mids in Butters and Rozee and Houston goes ok also.
SPP has had a good year and JHF is getting there.

After that though, who do they have?

There are holes everywhere and as much as Port supporters like to live in the past when they were winning premierships in a 2nd tier league, AFL flags are not easy to come by.

The one thing that has become obvious since moving to Adelaide, is that Port supporters are delusional and expect too much, with very little.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Ken lacks a bit defensively but lets get real Port supporters.
Your list isn't that great, so he has done well with what he has.

You have a couple of good mids in Butters and Rozee and Houston goes ok also.
SPP has had a good year and JHF is getting there.

After that though, who do they have?

There are holes everywhere and as much as Port supporters like to live in the past when they were winning premierships in a 2nd tier league, AFL flags are not easy to come by.

The one thing that has become obvious since moving to Adelaide, is that Port supporters are delusional and expect too much, with very little.

From what I've seen Port supporters are the first to agknowledge that.

They're a key back at minimum away, probably a key forward too depending on Lord's development/Sav trade.

Much like many Geelong supporters views on Scott prior to '22, it comes back to the belief of 'How many times are we going to do this dance?'

It's not an isolated issue of 2023, the complaints from Port supporters are due to being sick of the mediocrity over the last decade. The fabric of the PAFC playing tough, uncompromising footy week in, week out isn't there anymore. That's what they're sick of.

I actually really like Ken, but it's a results based industry. If you can't get it done in a decade it's time for someone else.

For some weird reason we're one of the only sports in the world that feel obligated to hold onto coaches when the goal is winning a premiership. If you've had 10 years, it doesn't mean you're incompetent, but something isn't working.

The guy can clearly coach, I don't think anyone is disputing that, but it's time for a new voice at PAFC.

Imagine someone like Kingsley leading Rozee, Butters & JHF into a new era? I'd have full confidence of a flag within 3-4 years.

 

[Papa G]

Ken lacks a bit defensively but lets get real Port supporters.
Your list isn't that great, so he has done well with what he has.

You have a couple of good mids in Butters and Rozee and Houston goes ok also.
SPP has had a good year and JHF is getting there.

After that though, who do they have?

There are holes everywhere and as much as Port supporters like to live in the past when they were winning premierships in a 2nd tier league, AFL flags are not easy to come by.

The one thing that has become obvious since moving to Adelaide, is that Port supporters are delusional and expect too much, with very little.

Dude your club has plodders like Cox, Markov, Lipinski, Noble, Frampton, McStay and Mihocek regularly running around. The difference is you have a fresh and good coach. (plus the usual dopple of MCG related VICBIAS).

Hinkley is a born loser. But the idiots in charge are bigger losers for continually backing him.

 

[Schulzenfest]

The one thing that has become obvious since moving to Adelaide, is that Port supporters are delusional and expect too much, with very little.

You're right, Port fans are just being unreasonable. Every other club would quite happily put up with a coach who has gone 11 years without making a Grand Final.

Oh wait no, that's right, no other club in the 126 year history of the AFL has ever put up with a coach who has gone 11 years without making a Grand Final.

 

[jakson68]

You're right, Port fans are just being unreasonable. Every other club would quite happily put up with a coach who has gone 11 years without making a Grand Final.

Oh wait no, that's right, no other club in the 126 year history of the AFL has ever put up with a coach who has gone 11 years without making a Grand Final.

Ok I suppose you could be right on that one.
I thought you have played some great games this year, with great effort from the players.
Also from the outside looking in, it seems as though he still has the players.
I just feel sorry for him because he lacks a decent team.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Ok I suppose you could be right on that one.
I thought you have played some great games this year, with great effort from the players.
Also from the outside looking in, it seems as though he still has the players.
I just feel sorry for him because he lacks a decent team.

No Port/Ken doesn't lack a decent team, and supposedly if he does, he has been there more than long enough to build/mould one that can actually at least make a grand final.

He deserves no sympathy whatsoever imo

 

[My Tilly]

Hinkley is living life to the max.

Literally

 

[jakson68]

No Port/Ken doesn't lack a decent team, and supposedly if he does, he has been there more than long enough to build/mould one that can actually at least make a grand final.

He deserves no sympathy whatsoever imo

Butters - Rozee = Guns
Houston - JHF= A level below
Then the likes of Marshall and Wines are next.
Drops off dramatically after that.

Where are the rest of this decent team?

Every team has a bottom 6 or 7 but tell me 10 players that would be starters at another club.

 

[jakson68]

Dude your club has plodders like Cox, Markov, Lipinski, Noble, Frampton, McStay and Mihocek regularly running around. The difference is you have a fresh and good coach. (plus the usual dopple of MCG related VICBIAS).

Hinkley is a born loser. But the idiots in charge are bigger losers for continually backing him.

Firstly, your team could do with some of those so-called hacks running around in your team.

Secondly, come to the dark side and support the real Black and Whites.
Your avatar is nearly there, I think you could fit right in.

How many teeth do you have

 

[Schulzenfest]

Butters - Rozee = Guns
Houston - JHF= A level below
Then the likes of Marshall and Wines are next.
Drops off dramatically after that.

Where are the rest of this decent team?

Every team has a bottom 6 or 7 but tell me 10 players that would be starters at another club.

Yes good post, somebody like Aliir Aliir would definitely struggle to get a game at West Coast or North Melbourne. Thank god we have somebody with such great knowledge of our list to tell us whether we should keep our coach or not.

 

[jakson68]

Yes good post, somebody like Aliir Aliir would definitely struggle to get a game at West Coast or North Melbourne. Thank god we have somebody with such great knowledge of our list to tell us whether we should keep our coach or not.

C'mon mate please, Aliir Aliir out of the 10 players I ask for that's the best you can come up with.

Really you are making my point for me.

Also I could get a game for WC and North, so that isn't a great response.

If we were talking top eight sides, as mentioning West Coast is a cop out, name me 10 players that would get a game elsewhere.

I think you may struggle.

As I said, Ken may not have got the ultimate prize as yet but he has done ok, with what he has.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

C'mon mate please, Aliir Aliir out of the 10 players I ask for that's the best you can come up with.

Really you are making my point for me.

Also I could get a game for WC and North, so that isn't a great response.

If we were talking top eight sides, as mentioning West Coast is a cop out, name me 10 players that would get a game elsewhere.

I think you may struggle.

As I said, Ken may not have got the ultimate prize as yet but he has done ok, with what he has.

Let's be real, you were probably campaigning for Collingwood to sack Bucks.

This is the same thing. Collingwood looked devoid of talent and in need of a rebuild.

McRae comes in, suddenly you like you're on your way to a premiership.

Now, in hindsight it looks like that list had enough to contend when Buckley was there...but that certainly wasn't the belief in 2021.

You never know what you have sometimes until a new coach comes on board. It doesn't mean Ken is a dud, but the PAFC needs a breath of fresh air.

 

[jakson68]

Let's be real, you were probably campaigning for Collingwood to sack Bucks.

This is the same thing. Collingwood looked devoid of talent and in need of a rebuild.

McRae comes in, suddenly you like you're on your way to a premiership.

Now, in hindsight it looks like that list had enough to contend when Buckley was there...but that certainly wasn't the belief in 2021.

You never know what you have sometimes until a new coach comes on board. It doesn't mean Ken is a dud, but the PAFC needs a breath of fresh air.

Sadly you make good points.
I was a Buckley fan and an even bigger Eddie fan and was unhappy with the club and their decision.

My God was I wrong and am so happy that people there know more than me, as yes it was time for a change, at all levels.
It is probably time for a change at Port but you dont understand the fun it is living in Adelaide and experiencing their torture firsthand.
A part of me hopes he is there for another decade

I think when Port finally offload Ken, they should also offload Koch, as that man cannot be good for culture.

 

[Schulzenfest]

C'mon mate please, Aliir Aliir out of the 10 players I ask for that's the best you can come up with.

Really you are making my point for me.

Also I could get a game for WC and North, so that isn't a great response.

If we were talking top eight sides, as mentioning West Coast is a cop out, name me 10 players that would get a game elsewhere.

I think you may struggle.

As I said, Ken may not have got the ultimate prize as yet but he has done ok, with what he has.

If you think that a team that finished the season in third place with 17 wins doesn't even have ten players who would get a game for a top eight team (noting that five top eight teams finished below us on the ladder), your argument is so self-evidently ridiculous that I'm not going to waste my time refuting it.

 

[Elixuh]

Literally

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Do you think Kenny's headset is plugged in?

 

[Del165198]

Butters - Rozee = Guns
Houston - JHF= A level below
Then the likes of Marshall and Wines are next.
Drops off dramatically after that.

Where are the rest of this decent team?

Every team has a bottom 6 or 7 but tell me 10 players that would be starters at another club.

Lol what an absolute ridiculous comment.

- SPP, Aliir, Burton, Finlayson, Drew, Bergman, Rioli, Farrell, DBJ, Jones

You're telling me these guys wouldn't get a gig at another club?

Mid season when we were up and about Bergman was hot property how he was gonna go home to Vic etc.

We won 13 games in a row, that doesn't happen if your players are no good.

No one gets as many excuses made for him as donuts Hinkley. It's his job to deliver results.. we've won 2 finals since 2014.

 

[Del165198]

Let's be real, you were probably campaigning for Collingwood to sack Bucks.

This is the same thing. Collingwood looked devoid of talent and in need of a rebuild.

McRae comes in, suddenly you like you're on your way to a premiership.

Now, in hindsight it looks like that list had enough to contend when Buckley was there...but that certainly wasn't the belief in 2021.

You never know what you have sometimes until a new coach comes on board. It doesn't mean Ken is a dud, but the PAFC needs a breath of fresh air.

Exact same thing with GWS.. looked completely stale with Leon Cameron now they're looking a massive threat.

Carlton been piss for decades. New coach in his second year and now they're on a massive roll and look great.

 

[3KZ is Football]

I think he has. Yes.

 

[rapidfire7]

The fabric of the PAFC playing tough, uncompromising footy week in, week out isn't there anymore. That's what they're sick of.

Imagine someone like Kingsley leading Rozee, Butters & JHF into a new era? I'd have full confidence of a flag within 3-4 years.

If the fabric is so bad, how did they win 13 games in a row and finish in the top 4?

And in regards to Kingsley, is what he is doing not comparable to when Ken first came to Port in 2013?