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Opinion Has this Carlton list already peaked?
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How would the Pies go without Moore and N.Daicos atm?
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By ur bizarre definitions maybe
Collingwood has a 75% win rate in games without these players under McRae
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And whats our win rate under Voss without Cripps?
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The current list has at least 2 more years in it…so it hasn’t peaked as it has more to give.
Mic drop.
Mic drop.
The Richmond list had peaked and was over after 2016. I see Carlton as similar as they have the stars in every area of the ground like we had. Just takes a while for a club coming from the bottom to work out the right pieces around them. They can challenge for the next 4 or so years.
I have never seen any opposition supporter as obsessed with Carlton as one Mr. Fadge. Entertaining to read when I am bored with nothing else to do. Lovin it!!
Cripps has missed 3 games in 3 years under Voss (None of them finals), and Carlton have won 2 of them. One being against 2023 West Coast.
Not sure what your point is?
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Most reasonable and logical people would consider Carlton a premiership contender, and recent results suggest they meet the criteria for consideration.
Be the premiership favourite at some point in the home and away season? ✔✔✔
Make finals? ✔✔
Win a final? ✔✔
All Australian players on the list? ✔✔✔✔✔✔✔
Coleman medals won by current players? ✔✔✔
Brownlow Medals won by current players? ✔✔
But you are neither reasonable nor logical, so I look forward to being amused by your response that invents some other criteria to support your fantasy narrative.
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Not surprised
Are you suggesting Carlton have been a premiership contender in recent years (they haven't), and/or they are a premiership contender in 2025 (time will tell who contends for the premiership).
As it stands, Carlton haven't contended for the premiership for a quarter of a century.
Enjoy how you cut and paste this across multiple threads, none of which is relevant even to this thread
Has this Carlton list already peaked?
Dr Tigris
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On paper they are about as likely to win a premiership as Brisbane. The Lions won not through more talent, but a change in culture and subtle tactical changes. Same for the Blues. if they can get some synergy they are good enough for a few more years.
But there is little improvement on their list - unless they hit the jackpot in the draft with pick 3.
But there is little improvement on their list - unless they hit the jackpot in the draft with pick 3.
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Can I infer that your criteria for contending for a premiership is making the grand final?
Given Collingwood's history of making, and then losing, grand finals I am not surprised.
29 grand final losses. You must be proud
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Interesting comparison. Dusty won Richmond's BnF in 2016 and he was 25 years old at the time. Rance finished second and was 27 years old. Cotchin finished third and was 26 years old. All three in their prime and still several years before they hit their 30s.
Cripps won Carlton's BnF this year and he's about to turn 30. Nic Newman finished second and he's turning 32 in January. Sam Walsh finished third and he's 24. With the exception of Walsh, it's pretty evident that Carlton's list is older than Richmond's was in 2016 when you compare their best players.
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Cripps - 29
Curnow - 27
Weitering - 27
Mckay - 27
Walsh - 24
TDK - 25
Cerra - 25
Our core isn't that old
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See the thing is, when your team gets to the pointy end as often as mine does, it's pretty easy to decipher whether or not they legitimately contended for a premiership.
For example, in 2007, my team finished 5th, and progressed to lose the Preliminary Final by 5 points to the team that won the premiership by nearly 20 goals. Collingwood therefore contended in 2007.
In 2009, Collingwood finished top 4, but were comfortably beaten by the two teams who were by far the best teams in the competition that year in their Qualifying and Preliminary Finals. We therefore failed to contended in 2009.
If you ever get to see your team make it to the pointy end, you might find yourself in an informed position to be able to judge whether or not they genuinely contended for the flag. Instead of sitting here in November and saying 'Carlton want for nothing, and are therefore genuine premiership contenders in 2025'.
Because there are about a dozen teams who would be entering 2025 hoping to be a premiership contender, but in any given year, we only see between 1 and 5 teams actually genuinely contend for the premiership.
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I fully agree and support your logic.
In 2024, my team was beaten by the team in the finals by the team that won the premiership by 10 goals. Carlton therefore contended in 2024.
In 2023, my team was beaten by the team in the finals that would have won the premiership if it wasn't for some questionable umpiring. Carlton therefore contended in 2023.
