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Have Geelong become too powerful?
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Dynamics
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Doesn't matter how they got pregnant, does it?
Dynamics
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Be right back, getting a room for Pendles and Darcy Moore.
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TheBrownDog
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Stop being aLook out ! The hard man has entered.
your club is a shambles and your list is even worse.We will maybe give you our future fourth for Parish next year.
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Feel like I should make a legitimate comment after that silliness.
So I don't see THAT much unfair advantage or power. First flag in over a decade and they very nearly could have lost to us in that prelim. If they'd lost everyone would have been pointing and laughing at Dad's Army.
Reality though is that they did win it and they've been shrewd operators for a while now.
Yes they have some advantages that other clubs, particularly clubs like the Saints and North, don't have. But some of those discrepancies are virtually woven into the clubs and I can't help but think that some of the measures that might address that would throw up new problems.
Someome else will likely win the flag next year anyway.
So I don't see THAT much unfair advantage or power. First flag in over a decade and they very nearly could have lost to us in that prelim. If they'd lost everyone would have been pointing and laughing at Dad's Army.
Reality though is that they did win it and they've been shrewd operators for a while now.
Yes they have some advantages that other clubs, particularly clubs like the Saints and North, don't have. But some of those discrepancies are virtually woven into the clubs and I can't help but think that some of the measures that might address that would throw up new problems.
Someome else will likely win the flag next year anyway.
Hard man and a list manager !!Stop being a
We will maybe give you our future fourth for Parish next year.
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TheBrownDog
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Let's review your flawed points then.
To be so naive. Must be nice.
Father/Son - All clubs have F/S privileges. Not yet functional for GCS or GWS but nonetheless still an 18/18 club proposition. Your rising star this year was a Father/Son selection.
Rants about our home venue. Has been our home ground since 1944. In that time we've had numerous periods of success and numerous periods of mediocrity. Even had periods of dilapidation and debt. Not our fault of the 12 VFL clubs that 2 merged and moved interstate, as did the Swans and the rest gave up their home venues. Not our fault at all. Also wasn't an issue for anyone before 2007. Funny that.
We receive 9/22 matches at home. The least of all clubs. Have to play home matches on our opponents ground (including finals... Which benefited your club).
Meanwhile Collingwood play 16 games a season at the MCG.
The Bowes deal is a bit of a shocker. The AFL probably shouldn't have allowed it. Not saying that because it was Geelong who benefited from it. I'd still say it regardless of who Bowes chose. They paid pretty close to what Bruhn and Henry are worth. Don't see a problem.
100% they shouldn't allow it, but the AFL will do everything in their power to keep giving unfair compo picks to Geelong and keep them nice and buff. Meanwhile other clubs (mostly interstate) suffer terribly trying to even retain talent. To be honest, Free Agency is ruining this game by giving too much power to the players.
I mean can you really blame a kid who grew up in say Geelong and played with the falcons perhaps.. Has family there, maybe a girlfriend..
Suddenly he has to play in Gold Coast or something away from his family... Most of times these young dudes gonna ask to go home, and clubs have no power anymore to stop it. And since a good majority of talents come from country towns like Geelong, Ballarat, Peel etc etc It means there is a good chance these boys will wanna go home at some point, and there is nothing wrong with that, but controls need to be put in place to give more power back to the clubs.
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If I had to take a stab at why we're so POWERFUL I'd say it's a culmination of years of being one of, if not the single most disadvantaged club in the competition. It's in essence a form of resistance training, which of course has led to us becoming far stronger than the average team. That's why when you strip it all back and present something representing a level playing field, we're streets ahead of the competition. Playing ability, list management, drafting & trading, being community leaders etc, you'd be hard pressed to find a single category that the Geelong Football Club isn't the best at.
If you think what you got was fair, then let's stop this conversation right here. There is no point debating with someone who is delusional.
The fact that you guys even have a pick in top 10 this season is a ****ing joke.
And flatly for a lot of opposition teams fans, feels like AFL straight up holding Geelong FC on their back like Atlas.
Compare your club to St. Kilda, then tell me how disadvantaged you are. I'll wait.
In touch with reality again now?
Reasons Geelong Dominated:
Father Son DNA Lottery
Being a Stalwart of Regional Football, players who are drafted run back home ASAP
Good List Management (I'll give you that, but you had every possible advantage that you could of ran on auto pilot with any dummy)
Insanely unrealistic compo picks
Having your own stadium that you share with nobody and take full profits from, allowing your club to prosper financially
Being able to play the MCG more often than just about any other team minus the clubs that call it home. (But watch GFC fans whinge about that lol )
And most of all... Free Agency to be fair. This isn't just your club benefitting. because I know mine does as well,. and i hate it tbh.
Players shouldn't be able to dictate where they go, as this just makes the teams already at the top stronger and the weaker teams weaker. The AFL copying american sports systems continues to **** with everything.
(See previous posts above if you care as to why i think FA is ****ed)
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Again, tell me why having 11 games in our own city would be unfair?
I don’t care. It is what it is and has been for a long time. But again, a league trying to advantage us would say ‘here’s 11 home games in your home city and none at your opponents’ home ground. They haven’t. They’ve maintained the status quo.
Whether you like it or not, there is nothing unfair about giving teams matches in their own city. Newcastle don’t get made to move games down the highway in the NRL and no one complains.
So the notion that we are given anything unfair because we play at home is about as juvenile a notion I could conceive.
We got pick 7 because the Suns had f***ed up and needed to do a deal to piss off the salary of one of their players. Yeah so we were the ones lucky enough to get it: what do you want the AFL to do, ban the two agreeing parties from agreeing?
The afl made a mistake when they banned Sydney from trading. They shouldn’t have done it. Fixing that mistake doesn’t or shouldn’t involve making the same mistake again. If we get the deal done, we get the deal done. Stiff sh*t. That’s not the afl helping us. It’s two teams making a deal.
The father and son thing: you know that scenario applies to every club, yeah? And it’s not like the AFL can predict which players are going to have good footballers for sons. When Gary Ablett Jr was doing next to nothing in junior footy it’s not like the afl got together and said ‘no one knows it yet but he will be the best player of the millennium so we need to make sure we keep the f/s rule as it is for as long as possible. Same with Matthew Scarlett who has been equally non-descript in his formative years.
The irony of your comment about building our dynasty off f/s players is many-fold.
- it was built off a whole host of stars like Selwood, Enright, Johnson, Chapman, Ottens, Kelly, Taylor, Ling, Harley, Bartel.
- the player who we obviously WOULDNT have gotten was Hawkins, who wasn’t even a permanent member of the forward line until 2011.
- EVERY team who has had any element of sustained success has been kissed on the dick. Hawthorn had 5 top seven picks including a priority pick in their 2013 flag side and another handful from 10-17. Players picked for no other reason than the Hawks had been shit at some point prior. Lewis, Hodge, Franklin, Roughead, Hale - players who in terms of skill, structure and leadership were all hugely important to their 3 flags. They added another top 10 pick a year later in Ben McEvoy - they got him because St Kilda had decided to rebuild. Stroke of luck.
‘Good question. Well it started with us being so crap.’
The notion that we’ve been any more blessed than anyone else is yet another example of the afl fan base’s unmatched ability to whinge about absolutely anything
Lets. I see many flaws in your points.
F/S - Yes, it's completlely DNA lottery. Geelong won hardcore. Sure this may not be Geelongs fault, but doesn't mean it wasn't an unfair advantage. As for Daicos. I couldn't agree more. Quite unfair. Every team should of had just the same chance to draft him.
Rants about Home venue - Comparing 1944 VFL/AFL to modern day is like comparing apples to oranges. I feel Geelongs advantages of only came since around the modern era. Favourable deals that other clubs would kill for, and again I'm not arguing for my team. I'm well aware of our advantages, and I feel strongly about that as well, that it's unfair. But, I am sick of other teams refusing to check their own privileges.
As for your home matches, that's because it would be unfair to the competition to have to play in your stadium, as it's a hostile environment, Geelong. You guys get to keep pretty much ALL of your profits, other clubs do not for most part. And your club playing in the MCG as often as it does isn't a disadvantage. It's a MASSIVE advantage. It's a big part of why your team plays as well in the MCG as they do your own field. Because it may as well be your home field half the time as well with how often you guys get to play their. Pretty handy to play on the AFL Grand Final stadium regularly. Something that I recognize is quite unfair for most clubs. I'm a strong advocater that every single team should have their own field that isn't shared.
I think a lot of folks are trying to redirect this as some kind of entitled collingwood fan having a whinge. But, I 100% recognize our unfair advantages, and I'm championing balance for all. That starts with being realistic that right now there is several clubs struggling, and even some in melbourne which is insane.. Meanwhile AFL wants to bring in new teams and the AFLW program instead of concentrating on the fact that some teams are wallowing and struggling to achieve no matter what because of the current state of the game. This isn't Geelongs fault obviously, but it is the AFL's and currently I just see so many pompous Geelong fans acting like they achieved all of this because they are superior in every manner entirely self earned...
Meanwhile I see this Jack Bowes trade and Geelong fans acting like they deserve that pick... It's a ****ing joke
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The bad interstate teams are struggling to keep/attract players. Freo, Brisbane and Sydney are not struggling at all. Even the Crows and Port are benefiting from the go home factor.
GWS and GC are struggling yes. New teams it's bound to happen. Although GWS weren't going to bad a few years ago in this area.
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Nothing personal but I prefer my delusions over yours.
Compare your club to St. Kilda, then tell me how disadvantaged you are. I'll wait.
In touch with reality again now?
Reasons Geelong Dominated:
Father Son DNA Lottery
Being a Stalwart of Regional Football, players who are drafted run back home ASAP
Good List Management (I'll give you that, but you had every possible advantage that you could of ran on auto pilot with any dummy)
Insanely unrealistic compo picks
Having your own stadium that you share with nobody and take full profits from, allowing your club to prosper financially
Being able to play the MCG more often than just about any other team minus the clubs that call it home. (But watch GFC fans whinge about that lol )
And most of all... Free Agency to be fair. This isn't just your club benefitting. because I know mine does as well,. and i hate it tbh.
Players shouldn't be able to dictate where they go, as this just makes the teams already at the top stronger and the weaker teams weaker. The AFL copying american sports systems continues to * with everything.
(See previous posts above if you care as to why i think FA is cactus)
Because of the reasons I outlined previously. No one wants to travel to a hostile place filled with only hostile fans, at a ground that no one else barely ever plays at. (Geelongs advantage) And you don't share it with any other club either unlike just about every other team. Having games in your own city that is majority GFC fans by a much larger margin than say Melbourne Grounds.
Ahh..Ad hominems the choice of those who got nothing to stand on. Didn't take long.
No. You got Pick 7 because the AFL decided to spit shine GFC's balls after they clearly cried for unfair compensation. (Not the first time this has happened) And Yes, I want the AFL to stop entirely unfair exhangees. Especially since it's not like any other clubs gonna be able to stop that corruption. The AFL made no mistake with Sydney, but that's an opinion not facts, and I would rather stick to facts. But facts don't care about your feelings tbh.
I do know yes, and F/S should of used your club as a prime example of why it should be abolished. (Also best player of the millenium is highly subjective, even if i do agree that he is, I know some that would say Tony Lockett or others, and that's just as fair to say Ablett Jr is)
Having all those lovely F/S must of made it easy as pie to build a good list with your picks lol.
And every team that has had any element of sustained success may of been kissed on the dick, but Geelong has full on back throat action from the AFL and the DNA Lottery of the world. And just because Hawks had similar success with the same results, doesn't make it any less ****ed lol.
Look bottom line is, The AFL continue to moves further and further away from a balanced game. And the more shit advice they take from international codes of sports it's only gonna get worse with things like FA basically making the league super unbalanced at the moment. Teams like St. Kilda for e.g can't even get a sniff in FA, and whether or not you think that's their own fault Bottom line is that if those clubs aren't giving a fair go they will never have a fair chance of pulling talents. Players are gonna often go where they perceive they might have success and clubs like Geelong, Collingwood etc have every advantage under the sun. And it's not changing any time soon. And when the majority of the most talented players and just the higher portion of players in general grow up and reside in country victoria, They are just gonna run home first chance they get, and lucky for those regional towns/citys right? Yeah.. Only Geelong is the only regional city that essentially gets to have their own AFL fortress. From Geelong Falcons to AFL.
Look at JHF. I can just see his manage telling him, "I know North is drafting you, sucks.. but give them one year and we will get you back home, I promise. Just tell North what they wanna hear for now. Smile and act like you staying"
Bottom Line: that kid was always going back home. And when clubs just let players dictate where and what they are doing, it makes an unfair competition. And obviously that's not Geelongs fault, but they certainly reap the benefits.
Nothing personal but I prefer my delusions over yours.
oops! How embarrassing.. I mean I knew your comments were delusional. But bro, I was stating facts.
Easy mistake to make. Don't worry about it though.
You're not the first person today to make that mistake. Carry on.
Seriously well run club wins flag ........................... cue outrage
Geelong late 90s massive debt, poor management, Costa comes along with and good management got them out of that, appointed Bomber stuck with him and seven years later a flag.
Scarily similar to my club with the history and timeframes
Tried and proven and not a fluke
Geelong late 90s massive debt, poor management, Costa comes along with and good management got them out of that, appointed Bomber stuck with him and seven years later a flag.
Scarily similar to my club with the history and timeframes
Tried and proven and not a fluke
Dogflogger
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does drafting hawkins ablett and scarlett at a cheap price help them from a list management point of view?
Seriously well run club wins flag ........................... cue outrage
Your awfully shut in... Nobody believes that is why you guys lost.. only GFC fans. Sadly.
If we can establish that we can continue this debate. I'm not in the business of talking about peoples feelings rather then facts.
Your club didn't win of that alone. Your club won this season of some very wildly unfair systems in place. The rotten system of F/A has lifted and held your club up on it's back like Atlas holds the globe.
