List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2023

[Toasted]

I think a lot of our list calls will depend on whether or not we lose players who want out.
For example (I’m not saying these players want out, just an example) we lose DGB, suddenly Jeka is no longer on the chopping block. Brockman goes back to WA and we probably need to keep Wingard for one more year

 

[Lawsy]

Annoying, Morris is a much better footballer than bramble

That's true, and I think without the injuries, Morris would have been locked into the side but the sliding door moments have seen Seamus come in and excel, Weddle fill another Def6 position and I'm struggling to see where he fits into Sam's planning given it is really run and fun and is working.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

It will be because he couldn't bring more to his own game, not what others matched or surpassed from his.

He hasn't had a chance to show that at AFL level.

At VFL level he's more than capable of getting numbers. He's just caught in the logjam with Stephens, Long and Hustwaite. Ward, Mackenzie and MacDonald will be ahead of all of them for midfield time.

Nash showing that he can curb some opposition players whilst still being effective going the other way has also not helped his case. Nash has been able to do it in the middle and has a better balance - simply using his size and athleticism at stoppages to great effect.

 

[caseman2]

Annoying, Morris is a much better footballer than bramble

I like Morris a lot as well - a natural footballer. In saying that Bramble provides more run and is a more penetrating kick. Morris, toughness and a good overhead mark for his size.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

We'd be silly not to listen to offers for our fringe and depth players. Also the players themselves might want to move on for more opportunities.

It may give us more leverage to trade / move up in the draft, which will be really important for us.

 

[KermitJagger]

Annoying, Morris is a much better footballer than bramble

He's not much better.

Everyone getting too attached to Morris, ask yourself - is it going to be a challenge to find someone that much different to him in the draft? Unfortunately for Morris, we do need to make list changes and he is a bloke with few standout qualities in a well stocked area of the ground.

The major advantage of having him in the side was that he freed up Hardwick and that doesn't seem much of a priority anymore.

 

[Colloquy]

Hard to not get carried away after a good win, but it pays to remember that things are never as good or as bad as they seem.

That being said, I think we’ve nailed our last 2 years of list management, and we now get to move towards plugging the few holes left.

I’m not as big on desperately needing a key defender as others are. Blanck looks like he will be a decent lock down defender, DGB will be more of a tall intercept who spoils with intent, and with McCabe in the wings we will have a good suite of tall defenders under 23.

I’d love another wingman, but my bigger concern is the forward half, as I think we need more of an aerial presence and some class, particularly in the form of a focal point at half forward

I actually really like the mid season drafting of Ryan, as I hope he may prove to be an awkward but efficient forward target with sticky mits, much like Johnny Barker once was for us 20 yrs ago. I’m obviously big on Ramma too.

If we manage to draft Duursma, Caddy or Watson, and trade in Georgiades I will be very happy with how our forward half has been restocked.

Think we still need a top young forward, Elite winger and a élite pressure hard tacking forward.

As Lewis is a very run straight and mark Forward. Coaches will coach against this in the second half of the year.

If he is bodied and can’t run at it his doesn’t have such a impact he struggles against it. Which coaches play a man in front and Play someone who like a to wrestle and have body contact in the second half.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Think we still need a top young forward, Elite winger and a élite pressure hard tacking forward.

As Lewis is a very run straight and mark Forward. Coaches will coach against this in the second half of the year.

If he is bodied and can’t run at it his doesn’t have such a impact he struggles against it. Which coaches play a man in front and Play someone who like a to wrestle and have body contact in the second half.

Why are they waiting for the second half to do this?
That makes no sense.

Mitchell isnt a new player to the AFL.

 

[TassieGrown]

Wanted to put down in print the number of players in our side that have room for improvement to see what our list looks like.

Cooked:
Wingard
Breust
Frost
Lynch

Top of game/same output each week:
Sic
Amon
Hardwick
Lewis
Newk
Nash
Day
Impey
Worpel

Yet to peak:
Brocky
Seamus
Reeves
Kosi
Meek
CJ
CMac28
CMac31
Blanck
Scrimmers
Bramble - maybe he is at his best?
Morrison - see Bramble
Weddle
Butsy
Ramma
Long
Ward

Yet to debut/early days/haven't cracked the side:
JOS
BMac42
Bennetts
Serong
Stephens
O Hara
Ryan
Tucker
Morris
Jeka
Magginess

There is a logjam in that yet to peak group which is great news for list depth. Some absolute quality in there. Looks to be a lot of upside and some genuine match winners.

Would be nice in 12 months time to have another 2 emerging talls in the middle group. McCabe and hopefully Serong on the rise with Ramma. CHB up for grabs got to replace Frosty asap.

It does highlight to me that Morris and Jeka look like they have missed the boat just can't get on the park with any continuity. Also when you consider the depth in mids, Magginess looks to be in trouble.

Morrison and Bramble look to be under the pump. If I'm keeping one it's Bramble.

I would think 6 list changes at least.

Lynch
Wingard
Jeka
Morris
Magginess
Morrison

Good summary, but I would argue that Lewis has not yet peeked.

 

[Topiary]

Agree, albeit I think the other two are the priority.

We can do all three. As I have said, I am not sure about Butler. Very happy to be wrong. Brockman has something extra to his bow. I understand he is about to commit for at 12 months, hopefully 2years.
No doubt about Dylan Moore. So Gresham as a FA and Watson. Replacement for Bruest. Keep
Butler for depth. Draft Duursma/Caddy (salary dump or trading 2024 First) Find a KPD (probably a FA) to support Blank and young McCabe. Keep Frost and DGB or try and trade one. I believe DGB and Sic are the future.
Still think an elite KPF is the big go.

So 5-6 good players over the next 2-3 Draft/Trade periods. We are now ready to challenge.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

I’d include DGB in the yet to peak list. It’s quite possible he and McCabe and maybe Caddy could plug our KP gaps but they will be a few years away from being able to do that. Ramma may well be a KPF as well but he is also going to take time, if he makes it at all that is. It would be ideal if Kosi could maintain his recent form and be a solid contributor even if he doesn’t often star. The future is tantalisingly close!!

Missed DGB!!!! Prob says something doesn't it!! But yes he is in the YTP list for sure.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

why is breust cooked? do you mean that he has no room for improvement?

Pre the Brissy game, Punky is averaging the most scoring shots per game of his entire career this season. he'd be on track for a 50-goal season if he was as accurate as he normally is. obviously losing touch around goals is a part of getting older but cooked, if not in the sense of there's no improvement left, is not fair at all

Yes that he hasn't room for improvement.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Good summary, but I would argue that Lewis has not yet peeked.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Good summary, but I would argue that Lewis has not yet peeked.

Yep def easy to see his production go up further as he gets more support. Was just a very high level take.

 

[Slainte]

Wanted to put down in print the number of players in our side that have room for improvement to see what our list looks like.

Cooked:
Wingard
Breust
Frost
Lynch

Top of game/same output each week:
Sic
Amon
Hardwick
Lewis
Newk
Nash
Day
Impey
Worpel

Yet to peak:
Brocky
Seamus
Reeves
Kosi
Meek
CJ
CMac28
CMac31
Blanck
Scrimmers
Bramble - maybe he is at his best?
Morrison - see Bramble
Weddle
Butsy
Ramma
Long
Ward

Yet to debut/early days/haven't cracked the side:
JOS
BMac42
Bennetts
Serong
Stephens
O Hara
Ryan
Tucker
Morris
Jeka
Magginess

There is a logjam in that yet to peak group which is great news for list depth. Some absolute quality in there. Looks to be a lot of upside and some genuine match winners.

Would be nice in 12 months time to have another 2 emerging talls in the middle group. McCabe and hopefully Serong on the rise with Ramma. CHB up for grabs got to replace Frosty asap.

It does highlight to me that Morris and Jeka look like they have missed the boat just can't get on the park with any continuity. Also when you consider the depth in mids, Magginess looks to be in trouble.

Morrison and Bramble look to be under the pump. If I'm keeping one it's Bramble.

I would think 6 list changes at least.

Lynch
Wingard
Jeka
Morris
Magginess
Morrison

I reckon both Lewis and Nash could find another gear - both are only just over the 50 game mark which is not a lot for key position player and foreign code players. Only time will tell but neither will die wondering.

 

[KermitJagger]

Think we still need a top young forward, Elite winger and a élite pressure hard tacking forward.

As Lewis is a very run straight and mark Forward. Coaches will coach against this in the second half of the year.

If he is bodied and can’t run at it his doesn’t have such a impact he struggles against it. Which coaches play a man in front and Play someone who like a to wrestle and have body contact in the second half.

Lewis is definitely not just a "very run straight and mark forward".

If you go to the games you see how hard he works and how crafty he is with his leads, back towards the goal, up at the ball carrier. He also works over his opponents with his endurance and is one of the best contested marks in the comp.

Top 5 this week in distance covered and distance covered at high speed, equal first for tackles I50 which is ridiculous for a key forward.

 

[Slainte]

It feels like a heresy to say so, but I reckon CJ could have some serious value at the trade table. Right age, right athletic profile and a crowd-puller. Most of our best football this year has been without him so he is not essential to our needs. I would not consider releasing him without the right kind of offer but I am confident he would attract enquiry.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Brockman has something extra to his bow. I understand he is about to commit for at 12 months, hopefully 2years.

Is this on top of the rumoured but I don’t think confirmed contract he has for next year? So basically he’s going to re-up to 2025 or 2026??

 

[Topiary]

It feels like a heresy to say so, but I reckon CJ could have some serious value at the trade table. Right age, right athletic profile and a crowd-puller. Most of our best football this year has been without him so he is not essential to our needs. I would not consider releasing him without the right kind of offer but I am confident he would attract enquiry.

But let’s try him on a wing first.

 

[Hawthorn23]

Lewis is definitely not just a "very run straight and mark forward".

If you go to the games you see how hard he works and how crafty he is with his leads, back towards the goal, up at the ball carrier. He also works over his opponents with his endurance and is one of the best contested marks in the comp.

Top 5 this week in distance covered and distance covered at high speed, equal first for tackles I50 which is ridiculous for a key forward.

And Lewis’ ground ball game for a bloke his size is super elite. Just have to watch his score involvements in the Port game to see how good he is

 

[CHUBBSS]

Wanted to put down in print the number of players in our side that have room for improvement to see what our list looks like.

Cooked:
Wingard
Breust
Frost
Lynch

Top of game/same output each week:
Sic
Amon
Hardwick
Lewis
Newk
Nash
Day
Impey
Worpel

Yet to peak:
Brocky
Seamus
Reeves
Kosi
Meek
CJ
CMac28
CMac31
Blanck
Scrimmers
Bramble - maybe he is at his best?
Morrison - see Bramble
Weddle
Butsy
Ramma
Long
Ward

Yet to debut/early days/haven't cracked the side:
JOS
BMac42
Bennetts
Serong
Stephens
O Hara
Ryan
Tucker
Morris
Jeka
Magginess

There is a logjam in that yet to peak group which is great news for list depth. Some absolute quality in there. Looks to be a lot of upside and some genuine match winners.

Would be nice in 12 months time to have another 2 emerging talls in the middle group. McCabe and hopefully Serong on the rise with Ramma. CHB up for grabs got to replace Frosty asap.

It does highlight to me that Morris and Jeka look like they have missed the boat just can't get on the park with any continuity. Also when you consider the depth in mids, Magginess looks to be in trouble.

Morrison and Bramble look to be under the pump. If I'm keeping one it's Bramble.

I would think 6 list changes at least.

Lynch
Wingard
Jeka
Morris
Magginess
Morrison

Everyone wrote off Nash just a breathe ago, thinks can change quickly when things come together, and everyone’s development curve is different. Jeka is still so young and has too much talent not to keep on the list, would cost nothing to. Burgess and Sam may be the ones to unlock that drive.

 

[cryptor]

He hasn't had a chance to show that at AFL level.

At VFL level he's more than capable of getting numbers. He's just caught in the logjam with Stephens, Long and Hustwaite. Ward, Mackenzie and MacDonald will be ahead of all of them for midfield time.

Nash showing that he can curb some opposition players whilst still being effective going the other way has also not helped his case. Nash has been able to do it in the middle and has a better balance - simply using his size and athleticism at stoppages to great effect.

My point is players don't get delisted just because a teammate got better and squeezed them out. They get delisted because they stop showing they have the capacity to improve to reclaim a spot.

The ball is in his court. He's been good or better at VFL level because he's a hard workers, but he needs to show he's got more tricks than last year.

 

[Noel Gallagher]

Everyone wrote off Nash just a breathe ago, thinks can change quickly when things come together, and everyone’s development curve is different. Jeka is still so young and has too much talent not to keep on the list, would cost nothing to. Burgess and Sam may be the ones to unlock that drive.

Not everyone, I small minority of us saw something in him quite a while ago. A 197 cm freak Irish athlete who just needed time to understand the game and a coach who played him in the right position. Having said that I never imagined in a million years that he would become a 25+ mid ar Rhys stage if his career. Still quite astonishing

 

[CHUBBSS]

Not everyone, I small minority of us saw something in him quite a while ago. A 197 cm freak Irish athlete who just needed time to understand the game and a coach who played him in the right position. Having said that I never imagined in a million years that he would become a 25+ mid ar Rhys stage if his career. Still quite astonishing

Agree and a few of us were screaming black and blue to stop playing him as a forward pocket, so it’s amazing what happens when natural ability is put in the right role. One thing Nash has always been is a lot more driven and determined to make it work.

Sliding doors though if Mitch doesn’t get him in the midfield

 

[Billyc]

Poor Finn - seems that Connor being able to shut down an opponent really stamped his papers.

His sub-AFL ball use is what stamped his papers