List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management 2023

[SSSSSS]

Is Scrimshaw trade bait this year?

Positional surplus and if he can't lift his intensity, I dare say it would be in his best interests to look elsewhere.

What could we get for him?

Probably not much. Plenty of teams have a pure interceptor that doesn't provide much run off half back - and most of those players do it as good if not better than Scrimmers.

Seems to be almost a dying breed of player. Like the pure inside midfielder (Mitchell, Crouch etc), it is not a player archetype that is in the vogue at the moment.

 

[chopflop]

Imo, Scrimshaw would be worth a F2 from a finals side. Maybe an early third.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Scrim has improvement in him, its up to the player and coach to extract that from him. Id rather keep Jack tbh.

Clarko seemed to get the best out of him, so if he were to move id say he would look the Roos way.

 

[SSSSSS]

Scrim has improvement in him, its up to the player and coach to extract that from him. Id rather keep Jack tbh.

Clarko seemed to get the best out of him, so if he were to move id say he would look the Roos way.

They were saying the same thing about Brennan every single year.

 

[H00t]

Scrim has improvement in him, its up to the player and coach to extract that from him. Id rather keep Jack tbh.

Clarko seemed to get the best out of him, so if he were to move id say he would look the Roos way.

Scrimshaw plays his best footy when the ball comes in slow and high. Then the defence shares the ball around slowly switching it from side to side.

Mitchell appears to want to play a faster footy where we get the ball in the back half and attack.

Up to Scrim to adapt to fit into that gameplan.

 

[Brishawk]

Is Scrimshaw trade bait this year?

Positional surplus and if he can't lift his intensity, I dare say it would be in his best interests to look elsewhere.

What could we get for him?

Trade him to gc in a package for Anderson?

I’m critical of him because he has the talent to be elite but seems to lack either drive of intensity or concentration. It holds him back. I’d imagine a better preseason and some confidence and he could be best 22 again but is what we see of him all we are going to get or can he deliver more? We need more and if this is all he has to give then I’d be ok to move him on. Be a tough call if you thought he could reach a higher level of performance.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Kosi is a problem. Gone full circle again.

 

[SSSSSS]

Kosi is a problem. Gone full circle again.

He has the rest of the season to fight for his career IMO.

Has had two poor games and two good/decent games in the last month. Is still working hard but had the concrete hands yesterday. In fairness to Kosi so did a lot of our players. Mitch dropped a few uncharacteristic easy opportunities as well and the delivery didn't help.

 

[Topiary]

Kosi is a problem. Gone full circle again.

Always going to be a problem

 

[Topiary]

Trade him to gc in a package for Anderson?

I’m critical of him because he has the talent to be elite but seems to lack either drive of intensity or concentration. It holds him back. I’d imagine a better preseason and some confidence and he could be best 22 again but is what we see of him all we are going to get or can he deliver more? We need more and if this is all he has to give then I’d be ok to move him on. Be a tough call if you thought he could reach a higher level of performance.

I very much hear what you are saying. No doubt has the ability, but does he have the hard edged and necessary commitment.

 

[smish]

Trade him to gc in a package for Anderson?

I’m critical of him because he has the talent to be elite but seems to lack either drive of intensity or concentration. It holds him back. I’d imagine a better preseason and some confidence and he could be best 22 again but is what we see of him all we are going to get or can he deliver more? We need more and if this is all he has to give then I’d be ok to move him on. Be a tough call if you thought he could reach a higher level of performance.

I think he has one more season to prove he has the mongrel.

 

[SSSSSS]

I think he has one more season to prove he has the mongrel.

He's 25 at his second club and was given away cheaply at his first club for the very reason people here are debating his trade value.

If the penny hasn't dropped now I'm not sure if it ever will.

I like Scrimmers. On a pure talent basis he'd be in the top few percentile for players in the AFL.

 

[RX Hawk]

In combination with CJ.

Absolutely.

 

[RX Hawk]

Kosi is a problem. Gone full circle again.

He tries his best - but sometimes so frustrating to see him stright in front - 30m and missing goals.

 

[Lickmesocks]

Kosi is a problem. Gone full circle again.

Does Sam play him CHB for the remainder of the season and see if we have anything?

 

[TylerDurden]

Does Sam play him CHB for the remainder of the season and see if we have anything?

Does Ryan take his place this week?

 

[TheFourPillars]

Does Sam play him CHB for the remainder of the season and see if we have anything?

No

Does Ryan take his place this week?

No

Lets see this week back in Melbourne on the MCG

 

[Dewyyyyy]

What's with all the Scrim bashing again, he wasn't great at times, he let some easy marks be taken up field, and he is frustrating where he doesn't run with the ball in hand alot, but he's an elite user and his defensive work since returning has been impressive for me, he's intercepting has been top shelf as we expect. There's alot of positives compared to the negatives. I'm more worried about how DGB isn't getting played over Frost, experience or not. Frost is a liability in all facets. Effort & intensity was shocking against Port and every goal they kicked almost felt like he was responsible in a way, he was literally moved from the backline.

His game against Gold Coast was poor again. His defensive work really isn't good, his positioning is just not it. His effort and intensity floats far too much and he is absolutely dreadful offensively. DGB needs to come in.

 

[Lawsy]

Stats nor the TV tell the whole story with both Frost and Scrimshaw, even the whole D50 make up.

Unfortunately, Frost wasn't strong enough to play as a KPD on Casboult who would have loved a match up on Scrimshaw even more. Not many are strong enough. When the ball was being pumped in so frequently from good positions, all our defenders struggled and we couldn't clear it. Frost has his detractors but visually, he has intensity and the desire to win the ball and halve the contest and is always disappointed when he loses a contest. I'll quote Dominic03 here and substitute the above Frost for Scrimshaw with a little licence to edit.

"His game against Gold Coast was poor again. His defensive work really isn't good, his positioning is just not it. His effort and intensity floats far too much and he has been dreadful offensively when asked to play as a defensive 3rd tall."

At the ground, offensively is where Scrimshaw struggled the most though. He was entrusted with delivery out of D50 and often just waltzed toward the boundary line, waited some more and then when faced with an incoming opponent, just kicked it long after GC had set up for the exact play. It happened so frequently that I'd suggest Day just took the responsibility on himself a couple of times, running 45 degrees to the opposite side of the ground (not 90 degrees to the pocket) and quickly to try and break down the zone the GC had. Around where I was sitting, it started as a murmur amongst the crowd and almost turned into cardiac arrest for some supporters as every time Scrim took a kick out it was rinse and repeat.

Maybe that is the instruction the coaches are giving him. He wasn't the only one to lack imagination or flair and when a couple of the D50 players are almost certainly given instruction to 'give the ball to a better user' it makes it easier to set up against, particularly with Sicily out.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Stats nor the TV tell the whole story with both Frost and Scrimshaw, even the whole D50 make up.

Unfortunately, Frost wasn't strong enough to play as a KPD on Casboult who would have loved a match up on Scrimshaw even more. Not many are strong enough. When the ball was being pumped in so frequently from good positions, all our defenders struggled and we couldn't clear it. Frost has his detractors but visually, he has intensity and the desire to win the ball and halve the contest and is always disappointed when he loses a contest. I'll quote Dominic03 here and substitute the above Frost for Scrimshaw with a little licence to edit.

"His game against Gold Coast was poor again. His defensive work really isn't good, his positioning is just not it. His effort and intensity floats far too much and he has been dreadful offensively when asked to play as a defensive 3rd tall."

At the ground, offensively is where Scrimshaw struggled the most though. He was entrusted with delivery out of D50 and often just waltzed toward the boundary line, waited some more and then when faced with an incoming opponent, just kicked it long after GC had set up for the exact play. It happened so frequently that I'd suggest Day just took the responsibility on himself a couple of times, running 45 degrees to the opposite side of the ground (not 90 degrees to the pocket) and quickly to try and break down the zone the GC had. Around where I was sitting, it started as a murmur amongst the crowd and almost turned into cardiac arrest for some supporters as every time Scrim took a kick out it was rinse and repeat.

Maybe that is the instruction the coaches are giving him. He wasn't the only one to lack imagination or flair and when a couple of the D50 players are almost certainly given instruction to 'give the ball to a better user' it makes it easier to set up against, particularly with Sicily out.

Frost had probably 6 goals kicked on him if not more in the first quarter or whatever it was against Port.

Frost and yeah as you said not many are strong enough to play on Casboult, but his intensity is very much in and out, like Scrimshaws, but Scrim wasn't doing it inside 50 and losing easy contests, Frost let Casboult mark unattended on a multitude of times. It was tiring to watch.

Frost defensively has been poor, but even more so he is the worst offensive defender in the whole league and it isn't close, he's also been the worst defender defensively. He's the worst and it isn't close.

I'd pick any other teams KPD over him, DGB isn't getting games purely out of developing his role and points at VFL level but he wouldn't be far off, anyone is better at this point.

The absolute thrashing that Frost got by Montagna was needed, go look at it again. Shocking.

Scrimshaw's frustration for me was that he was often lackluster in his effort outside the 50 metre arc, defensively. He was on Luko for Gold Coast, alot. Who kicked 2.2, i was relatively satisfied with his defending in the 50, he had 2 contests and didn't lose one, and he was able to help his teammates out aswell with his intercepting and spoiling/reading of play. He sat under a fair few high balls aswell.

The main point was his positioning was really aggressive as it is for all our defenders, and he would often be in a dangerous position but just let his man take an easy uncontested or relatively uncontested mark. This was outside 50 where it isn't as dangerous but it still ultra frustrating and it will be brought up, however he was far off our worst.

His offensive game he was able to find the footy and his intercepting/reading of the play was good. He didn't really have anyone to kick to, you mentioned it but Gold Coast shut off the corridor, we didn't work hard at all and the only option was long down the line where we were even more so out of position, the whole structure which was off the back off alot of lacking in workrate was all out of wack and genuinely piss poor.

He had a few nice plays, and a few not so nice. But like alot of our players. Hardwick was very similar offensively and at times defensively, and we know how good he is. So it isn't really a player thing, more so a team thing. Just alot easier for people to go after Scrim than it is to go after others.

Although Frost is an exception, he needs to go and earn it at VFL level. Experience or not.

 

[Topiary]

He's 25 at his second club and was given away cheaply at his first club for the very reason people here are debating his trade value.

If the penny hasn't dropped now I'm not sure if it ever will.

I like Scrimmers. On a pure talent basis he'd be in the top few percentile for players in the AFL.

I am worried. Love the bloke, love his skill, but I worry about his commitment.

 

[SSSSSS]

I am worried. Love the bloke, love his skill, but I worry about his commitment.

It's not like he's soft. He doesn't lack courage backing into packs and flying for marks.

He's just seems to pick and choose his moments. It was frustrating to watch a goal conceded yesterday in the last quarter. Seamus Mitchell busting a gut trying to cover two opponents while Scrimshaw jogs ten metres behind his opposition to concede a cheap goal in the square.

When Scrimmers realises that his man is about to score he sprints and got damn close off a few steps...why the **** didn't you sprint to keep up with him in the first place?

Would have saved a goal.

Stuff like that wouldn't have flown in our Premiership years.

 

[The Chad and I]

If we were playing in a GF this week I'd pick Scrimshaw over most options on the list.
He thrives on big matches IMO.
Week to week it's a toss-up.

Keep unless we get a v. good offer.

 

[cryptor]

If we were playing in a GF this week I'd pick Scrimshaw over most options on the list.
He thrives on big matches IMO.
Week to week it's a toss-up.

Keep unless we get a v. good offer.

Teams don’t get to play in big matches if their players pick and choose which games they get up for.

Frost has his flaws but at least he always gives effort and plays with some desperation.

 

[The Chad and I]

Teams don’t get to play in big matches if their players pick and choose which games they get up for.

Frost has his flaws but at least he always gives effort and plays with some desperation.

oh, i didn't know that.
Thanks.