List Mgmt. Hawk's List Management for 2025

[Scrads]

Usually do one of these before the trade period but was caught-up with other stuff this year so here is my post-trade period update! This is what I have at the moment. As you can see, firstly the list is STACKED in terms of talent (which we already knew) but is also pretty close to being completely full as it is. If what I have is correct, then we have 36 primary list, 4 Cat A and 1 Cat B locked in for next year which leaves us with limited options in terms of drafting next month and SSP/MSD in 2025.

If I had to guess, I'd say we are likely to delist-then-rookie one or both of Gunston and/or Breust for flexibility. Regardless, we can only intake a max of 2 players to primary/Cat A list at the moment plus the option of another Cat B player if we want (which I suspect we will re-sign Bennetts with).

As usual, if you spot any mistakes then please let me know

 

[TONYC3163]

I don’t think we will get Barrass. WCE asking price is to much

LOL Nonsense.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

LOL Nonsense.

So insightful again I see

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Finn, Ward and Harry all having solid final series has made the list management a bit more interesting.

From what I saw this finals series Harry is comfortably best 23, Finn very close and Ward looked good as well.

 

[Howe Amazing]

List management is tough after that game with lesser lights like Morrison and Finn having great games. Finn is contracted so he stays I hope but clubs should come for Morrison. Serong was pretty good I thought considering so trade value has gone up.

 

[barbster]

Phillips over Barrass? Ethan has played well for Box Hill this year, but unfortunately he will be delisted.

I was responding to yesterday’s game. Yes, Barrass over Phillips.

 

[Snoref]

Both Morrison and Serong will attract interest after how they handled themselves in the finals.

 

[fairdinks]

Both Morrison and Serong will attract interest after how they handled themselves in the finals.

Morrison should get and extension. Hope he stays. Serong is contracted and can't see us letting him go.

I will upset a few here, but after last night my views have changed a bit.

I am not sure Gunstan and Breust offer a lot outside of leadership now. Both of them playing does restrict how we use our sub. If the sub rule changes, that would be good. Both remaining on the list also restricts our ability to add extra depth.

We were a player or two down in our forwards last night against a makeshift backline. It should have been a win for us but wasn't.

There is a big immediate gap in our forward line to be filled. Chol is only a piece of the forward pie, not the key. We do need to add a big KPF to balance the forward line. Dear is still a few seasons away from being consistently dominant and who knows with Lewis? I am not hanging my hopes on him playing regularly. Scaife is still a project who may or may not step up but would be several years if he does. Does Sicily go forward...risky IMO as he is such a good attacking defender.

We need a bit more pace & class around the footy. Either Cmac needs to start learning the midfield craft and or we need at least a couple of speedy mids to complement our current warriors. Rozee, JFH types are what we are missing currently, which showed last night. (should we revisit the Bailey Smith option).

Do Seamus Mitchell or Baily Mac show any signs of becoming midfielders/wingers?

I am now not sold on Barrass if the asking price is more than our round one selection. At 29 and a crook back, it is risky.

Still a number of pieces to add to make us a premiership force.

 

[bigmaxi]

Morrison should get and extension. Hope he stays. Serong is contracted and can't see us letting him go.

I will upset a few here, but after last night my views have changed a bit.

I am not sure Gunstan and Breust offer a lot outside of leadership now. Both of them playing does restrict how we use our sub. If the sub rule changes, that would be good. Both remaining on the list also restricts our ability to add extra depth.

We were a player or two down in our forwards last night against a makeshift backline. It should have been a win for us but wasn't.

There is a big immediate gap in our forward line to be filled. Chol is only a piece of the forward pie, not the key. We do need to add a big KPF to balance the forward line. Dear is still a few seasons away from being consistently dominant and who knows with Lewis? I am not hanging my hopes on him playing regularly. Scaife is still a project who may or may not step up but would be several years if he does. Does Sicily go forward...risky IMO as he is such a good attacking defender.

We need a bit more pace & class around the footy. Either Cmac needs to start learning the midfield craft and or we need at least a couple of speedy mids to complement our current warriors. Rozee, JFH types are what we are missing currently, which showed last night. (should we revisit the Bailey Smith option).

Do Seamus Mitchell or Baily Mac show any signs of becoming midfielders/wingers?

I am now not sold on Barrass if the asking price is more than our round one selection. At 29 and a crook back, it is risky.

Still a number of pieces to add to make us a premiership force.

I still think it is worth keeping them on, solely for their leadership roles, though i honestly think between them they will play 10-15 games each and add to our mix. When fit and firing they can be an asset, while both have acknowledged that time at Box Hill is a definite possibility. With the soft salary cap so tight having these two quality people in and around the playing list for next year will be a boon rather than a bust.

 

[fairdinks]

I still think it is worth keeping them on, solely for their leadership roles, though i honestly think between them they will play 10-15 games each and add to our mix. When fit and firing they can be an asset, while both have acknowledged that time at Box Hill is a definite possibility. With the soft salary cap so tight having these two quality people in and around the playing list for next year will be a boon rather than a bust.

Look, I kind of agree with you maxi, however, neither are going to be better come finals time 2025. They may be liabilities in a final. If the sub rule is changed and they allow 23 on the bench, it definitely helps us in this regard.

They are both premiership legends to be respected and agree, the soft cap may be a factor.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Do any of the ITK folk know if Worpel is in talks to extend? I really don't want him going elsewhere.

 

[Jet_black]

Do any of the ITK folk know if Worpel is in talks to extend? I really don't want him going elsewhere.

He extended last year but until the end of 2025 - isn’t it a bit premature at this stage?

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He extended last year but until the end of 2025 - isn’t it a bit premature at this stage?

Not really, no. Players often get extended before their contract end year. Being that he's a RFA I would like him locked up.

 

[number23]

Do any of the ITK folk know if Worpel is in talks to extend? I really don't want him going elsewhere.

He extended for 2 years last year to get to free agent status. That was clearly in his advantage now that his form had recovered from a few years in the doldrums. He won't extend and his manager will be looking at the market at the end of next year surely. The Cattery could be a lure as an ex Falcons captain. Hate to lose him but we have good fallback options.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

So ready for season 2025 to start already! We should be aiming for TOP 4. Port now joins the cats and bombers games to check out early.

I feel Sam and the boys will be looking forward to the port game.

Hopefully we find a couple of bargains in the trade and draft period.

 

[andrew18]

I do believe we have enough defence power with Battle coming on a free, adding Barrass as well at 29 could do more harm than good at a cost hefty price tag. Now I wouldn’t be upset if we go full balls ahead with Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

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M/F

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Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

off loading the pick that could be used on Barrass and a fringe such as Finn + a future pick.

 

[Sixpence]

I do believe we have enough defence power with Battle coming on a free, adding Barrass as well at 29 could do more harm than good at a cost hefty price tag. Now I wouldn’t be upset if we go full balls ahead with Bailey Smith off loading the pick that could be used on Barrass and a fringe such as Finn + a future pick.

Did you forget to change accounts?

 

[Sixpence]

He extended for 2 years last year to get to free agent status. That was clearly in his advantage now that his form had recovered from a few years in the doldrums. He won't extend and his manager will be looking at the market at the end of next year surely. The Cattery could be a lure as an ex Falcons captain. Hate to lose him but we have good fallback options.

If he wanted to join the Cats, he would have done so when his value was low and be traded off on the cheap cheap. He will stay.

 

[MasterSamurai]

I do believe we have enough defence power with Battle coming on a free, adding Barrass as well at 29 could do more harm than good at a cost hefty price tag. Now I wouldn’t be upset if we go full balls ahead with Bailey Smith off loading the pick that could be used on Barrass and a fringe such as Finn + a future pick.

Ok, you have some explaining to do... What's going on. ?

 

[andrew18]

Did you forget to change accounts?

Local team is the Elmore Bloods, I didn’t know wtf I was doing 12 years ago when I made this account

 

[Walshawk]

Look, I kind of agree with you maxi, however, neither are going to be better come finals time 2025. They may be liabilities in a final. If the sub rule is changed and they allow 23 on the bench, it definitely helps us in this regard.

They are both premiership legends to be respected and agree, the soft cap may be a factor.

Neither can play a full game, so removing the sub makes it impossible to play either.

 

[bigmaxi]

Look, I kind of agree with you maxi, however, neither are going to be better come finals time 2025. They may be liabilities in a final. If the sub rule is changed and they allow 23 on the bench, it definitely helps us in this regard.

They are both premiership legends to be respected and agree, the soft cap may be a factor.

That’s the only thing that bothers me, they could both be cooked by September 25! It’s a hard one to be honest, need their collective IQ for the young forwards, but need space to bring more in. Maybe Punky retires mid season in time for MSD. honestly your guess is as good as mine.

Plus our forward line needs development, is Bennetts, Scaife, Ramsden O’Sullivan Butler going to go on and make first 22? Dear, Chol, Watson, Ginnivan MacDonald Moore and Weddle or Sicily ? Need more forward development too.

 

[DogDaySonny]

Look, I kind of agree with you maxi, however, neither are going to be better come finals time 2025. They may be liabilities in a final. If the sub rule is changed and they allow 23 on the bench, it definitely helps us in this regard.

They are both premiership legends to be respected and agree, the soft cap may be a factor.

I reckon they were re-signed for the year purely for presence. I wouldn't be surprised if they only get five games each next year, filling in when a BHH replacement isn't appropriate for whatever reason. With Frosty's foot injury, I suspect he'll be in a similar situation - first deep backup in the defense.

With Bruest, Gunners, and Frosty out of the first 22, plus the 22 made to 23, that accounts for Day, Battle, and Barras. There will be some fierce competition this summer for those last four or so spots in the 22/23. And I wouldn't be surprised to see some significant (and controversial) movement in who plays each week for the first eight weeks as the coaches settle on what mix makes the team most dangerous.

 

[rei154]

retire:
Wingard

Delist:
Cooper
O'Sul
Tucker
Phillips

Trade bait:
Reeves?
HH?
Bailey Mac?
Smitch?

Reckon Bennetts gets upgraded to the main list
We need to take two more through the ND- do we have interest in Burgoyne/Ned M?

 

[TylerDurden]

retire:
Wingard

Delist:
Cooper
O'Sul
Tucker
Phillips

Trade bait:
Reeves?
HH?
Bailey Mac?
Smitch?

Reckon Bennetts gets upgraded to the main list
We need to take two more through the ND- do we have interest in Burgoyne/Ned M?

Do we hold Butler?

 

[rei154]

Do we hold Butler?

Has there been any interest in him?
I wouldn't be against a trade for him, but I think he's worth persisting with as Breust comes close to finishing- his versatility could be useful if it clicks for him.