List Mgmt. Hawthorn 2018 Trade discussion NO OPPOSITION SUPPORTERS Part 3

[Restricted Free Agent]

It's done! He's a Hawk!

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Can someone post Chad’s Instagram post on here?

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Still doesn't sit right with me trading out Burton. Not very Hawthorn. On top of that we lose picks 15 and 35? Massive overs for a player who hasn't been A-Grade for 2 years and walks end of next season.

I'm disappointed to lose Burton, so I can sympathise with that, but let's not be blinded to the nature of the business.

Under the Australian model (as opposed to the US model where a player has no say in a trade, unless they have a "no trade" clause in their contract), Burton had to agree to a trade. If he didn't want to go, he could have refused Port Adelaide's terms and stayed a Hawk.

I'm also confident that Clarkson can find a way to unlock Wingard's talent. I'm going to love seeing Wingard light up the MCG next season and beyond.

A quick recap of pick #15s over the seasons

2017 - Zac Bailey (Brisbane Lions)
2016 - Jordan Gallucci (Adelaide)
2015 - Daniel Rioli (Richmond)
2014 - Jarrod Garlett (Gold Coast)
2013 - Zak Jones (Sydney Swans)
2012 - Taylor Garner (North Melbourne)
2011 - Brandon Ellis (Richmond)
2010 - Billie Smedts (Geelong)
2009 - Christian Howard (Western Bulldogs)
2008 - Mitchell Brown (Geelong)

Looking at that short list over the last 10 years, Daniel Rioli is the only one that really sticks out.

Of course, the Power might get a 250+ game player to pair with Burton, but history suggests that's no better than even odds (at best).

I'll back the judgment of the club here.

 

[Spanish Sahara]

How good is having the last day of trade period on your birthday?!

Welcome Wingard

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Can someone post Chad’s Instagram post on here?

 

[Restricted Free Agent]

Can someone post Chad’s Instagram post on here?

 

[Milkshaker]

Can these guys hurry up, I have a meeting at 11am.

Yep and I am about to get performance managed.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

 

[BigLittleHawk]

Just a different perspective...

Picks 15 and 35 = pick 8 (going by AFL draft picks value).

There are 1st round picks, then there are 1st round picks.

When you hear "1st round pick, you think top 10 - so a potentially very good player".
But when your 1st round pick is 15, it changes a little bit.

I do think that Information is significant.

P.s. I still think Burton and picks 15 + 35 are overs, but going by the above formula/thinking, maybe the trade would be closer to "fair"?.

 

[Suntory Boss Coffee]

We got flipping reamed

 

[f4zz]

Remember the burgoyne trade, port ended up drafting andrew moore and john butcher.. moore now our box hill captain and butchers long gone..


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[Wesley2]

Can 15 more people post that instagram thing, please?

 

[OnTheRocks]

Overs!!!

 

[Dewnior]

Just got royally reamed

Pick 15 + 35 + future 4th for Wingard + future 3rd

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[VandoHawk]

Official Trade:

Hawthorn has traded Ryan Burton, Rd 1 (15), Rd 2 (35) & its Future Rd 4 Selection (on traded from W.Bulldogs) to Port Adelaide for Chad Wingard and its Future Rd 3 Selection.

We can now trade our future first.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Just a different perspective...

Picks 15 and 35 = pick 8 (going by AFL draft picks value).

There are 1st round picks, then there are 1st round picks.

When you hear "1st round pick, you think top 10 - so a potentially very good player".
But when your 1st round pick is 15, it changes a little bit.

I do think that Information is significant.

P.s. I still think Burton and picks 15 + 35 are overs, but going by the above formula/thinking, maybe the trade would be closer to "fair"?.

AFL pick points don’t mean a single solitary thing unless you’re bidding on a player. Point debates are so naff.

 

[rjslcM]

Wrighty:

"Difficult process for any 21 year old to go through, admittedly harder with Clarko overseas" (re: Burton)

"I'll leave that to Jason Cripps to talk about when he comes down"(re: who raised Burton first)

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Can now trade our future first. GW’s and MM’s time to shine!

 

[hawksalltheway]

so many sooks on here....

id say at the start of the week GW sits down and says, this is what we have to trade with...and these are our targets....

out - burton, 15, 35, 58 ?
in - wingard, scully, scrimshaw ?

relax, we are way in front here.....

 

[Gralin]

so we traded out our 1st and Second this year and 4th next year plus Burton
We got back Wingard and Ports 3rd for next year

Can't help but think Wrighty isn't done for the day

 

[Wesley2]

We were way too married to getting Wingard, no ability to walk away = taken to the cleaners

 

[whiteTiga2k]

Glad we got the future 3rd! But do we still have a future 4th? if we do, we can trade our 1st?

 

[D33licious]

So acquiring the future 3rd gives us the ability to trade next years first again!!!

What you got cooking GW???