Hawthorn completely short-changed by the AFL

[neroblack]

Under those rules how are Lynch and Young rated the same?

For the purpose of compensation, they're not rated at all. It's based on age, new contract and other contract benefits. We know their ages, so that means it comes down to the new contract and other benefits.

I am bemused that Hawthorn are crying poor about the outcome now that it's known, but that doesn't mean that I think the system is fair and reasonable. It seems like an overly complicated formula, but in saying that it can't be all subjective either. There's a good argument for there being no compensation at all too.

 

[db swannie]

Is that all you post about any supporters of other teams having a say on something the AFL stuffs up.

Of course Swans supporters never whinge about anything the AFL do.

We all know why.

Of course the Hawks have been shafted by the AFL who once again are making up rules on the go.

Every since the GF all I ever hear from some hawks fans is "waaaawaaaa" "booooohoooo" and "whoaisme" on any number of fronts, including all things Swans. Bunch of ******* crybabies. Many Hawks fans don't give a shit about the compensation, but there's still enough of you dummy suckers paddling around in nappies looking for a skirt to cry behind to give the rest of us a few laughs in the off season. Oh, and there's the Grand Final replay, which provides me with outstanding entertainment, and will do for years to come.

 

[Pessimistic]

Every since the GF all I ever hear from some hawks fans is "waaaawaaaa" "booooohoooo" and "whoaisme" on any number of fronts, including all things Swans. Bunch of ******* crybabies. Many Hawks fans don't give a shit about the compensation, but there's still enough of you dummy suckers paddling around in nappies looking for a skirt to cry behind to give the rest of us a few laughs in the off season. Oh, and there's the Grand Final replay, which provides me with outstanding entertainment, and will do for years to come.

Something tells me you're not really enjoying it as much as you think you should, hence the tone of your posting.
Your posts alone would outnumber any hawks fans going 'waaah' and while you dont think you are doing the same, really you are.

This complaint about the Young Compo is fair on many different levels, and if you cant add anything to that, why not go back to your DVD ?

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

For the purpose of compensation, they're not rated at all. It's based on age, new contract and other contract benefits. We know their ages, so that means it comes down to the new contract and other benefits.

I am bemused that Hawthorn are crying poor about the outcome now that it's known, but that doesn't mean that I think the system is fair and reasonable. It seems like an overly complicated formula, but in saying that it can't be all subjective either. There's a good argument for there being no compensation at all too.

Some say it's down also to position on the ladder. Hawks finished 2nd but Pies were in top 4, so it's not like they're evening the comp out.

I was all for FA and compensation but this is just a really bad decision and they need to explain it for the integrity of free agency.

Anyway what would be in his contract to justify a prem player being 53 picks below Goddard and 30+ picks below Charlie Chaplin??

 

[neroblack]

Some say it's down also to position on the ladder. Hawks finished 2nd but Pies were in top 4, so it's not like they're evening the comp out.

I was all for FA and compensation but this is just a really bad decision and they need to explain it for the integrity of free agency.

Anyway what would be in his contract to justify a prem player being 53 picks below Goddard and 30+ picks below Charlie Chaplin??

I'd say it'd just be what Young is getting paid (and the length of the contract) to be at Collingwood versus the deals Goddard and Chaplin have got at their new clubs. I agree that an explanation would be great, but that issue isn't just confined to free agency compensation unfortunately!

 

[Glasgow Hawk]

I realise that supporters of our own club and supporters of other clubs have every right to an oppinion. But to the supporters of clubs that didn't lose any players through free agency this year and who are having a dig at Hawthorn because they are not satisfied with their compensation, just be careful what you say. Given that it is only new to the AFL this year and we are all still trying to wrap our heads around the whole thing, you may just be eating your words in years to come. We are all going to lose players through FA, that's a given. So if any of your clubs lose players, whether they are high quality or not, don't go whinging when you are not happy with the compensation the AFL hands out to you.

 

[PalaceGun]

Given that it is only new to the AFL this year and we are all still trying to wrap our heads around the whole thing, you may just be eating your words in years to come. We are all going to lose players through FA, that's a given. So if any of your clubs lose players, whether they are high quality or not, don't go whinging when you are not happy with the compensation the AFL hands out to you.

There will be no whinging about compo in years to come because the silly concept of compensation will be dispatched with haste..

 

[db swannie]

Something tells me you're not really enjoying it as much as you think you should, hence the tone of your posting.
Your posts alone would outnumber any hawks fans going 'waaah' and while you dont think you are doing the same, really you are.

This complaint about the Young Compo is fair on many different levels, and if you cant add anything to that, why not go back to your DVD ?

Says the man with 28500 posts.

A brave (but suicidal) attempt at trying to analyse my enjoyment of being the premiers in 2012. Enjoyment is deeply rooted in pleasure, and pleasure in victory comes about in part because someone has been vanquished, and that someone in this instance is Hawthorn. And when the vanquished spend so much of their time crying foul (as you and others have) about the grand final and CoL, then my pleasure increases when I get the chance to turn the screw a little tighter upon my enemy. I can tell you, it's pleasurable, just like re-watching the grand final and talking with my Swans mates over and over about the joy. Pleasure takes many forms, but you need a good imagination to get the most from it.

As for the compo picks, who cares really? They'll be gone soon enough anyway. And Young's a pushover dud who can't keep his feet.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Says the man with 28500 posts.

A brave (but suicidal) attempt at trying to analyse my enjoyment of being the premiers in 2012. Enjoyment is deeply rooted in pleasure, and pleasure in victory comes about in part because someone has been vanquished, and that someone in this instance is Hawthorn. And when the vanquished spend so much of their time crying foul (as you and others have) about the grand final and CoL, then my pleasure increases when I get the chance to turn the screw a little tighter upon my enemy. I can tell you, it's pleasurable, just like re-watching the grand final and talking with my Swans mates over and over about the joy. Pleasure takes many forms, but you need a good imagination to get the most from it.

As for the compo picks, who cares really? They'll be gone soon enough anyway. And Young's a pushover dud who can't keep his feet.

Enjoy the double asterix champ

 

[MightyHawks]

Some interesting logic employed by the AFL here:

1. Tying compensation to contract size - yes, it's a market value, but if your club loses a player, you better hope they're completely mercenary and go to the bottom club that's offering the most money because they're the ones with room in their salary cap. Because if said player sacrifices dollars to go to a top club to chase success, your compo will suffer.

2. Tying picks to ladder position - make the picks end of round or mid round; why should the value of the compo bear any relation to where the club happened to finish that year?

Like others, I question whether there should be any compo though; and if there is, surely it should come at the expense of the clubs who benefitted from FA (such as my club this year) rather than everyone?

Absolutely. It seems a ******ed system, when there are plenty of players playing for premiership contenders who are on far less $$$ than they would get on the open market

 

[Ketchup]

Considering all ive heard from hawks supporters over the past week "Young is shit" "young is no good, just a depth player" "Young cost us the grand final" etc etc, don't know why your whinging and moaning about picks when you clearly think he is no good. Since he is so bad you should just be happy hes off your list and you can go on and walk to a flag in 2013 as he is the sole reason you lost it this year.

 

[db swannie]

Enjoy the double asterix champ

Double asterix? Is that like one of Plugger's moral flags?

Enjoy your summer of discontent, another summer of discontent.

 

[Prudster]

Considering all ive heard from hawks supporters over the past week "Young is shit" "young is no good, just a depth player" "Young cost us the grand final" etc etc, don't know why your whinging and moaning about picks when you clearly think he is no good. Since he is so bad you should just be happy hes off your list and you can go on and walk to a flag in 2013 as he is the sole reason you lost it this year.

Probably because the main board is just a troll fest nowadays, so most of the posters with common sense stay away. Just like there were Collingwood supporters who though Wellingham and Dawes were no good, yet got a first round pick for both

 

[Dont be a lemon]

Clubs should not get any compensation for FAs leaving.

 

[Pessimistic]

Says the man with 28500 posts.

A brave (but suicidal) attempt at trying to analyse my enjoyment of being the premiers in 2012. Enjoyment is deeply rooted in pleasure, and pleasure in victory comes about in part because someone has been vanquished, and that someone in this instance is Hawthorn. And when the vanquished spend so much of their time crying foul (as you and others have) about the grand final and CoL, then my pleasure increases when I get the chance to turn the screw a little tighter upon my enemy. I can tell you, it's pleasurable, just like re-watching the grand final and talking with my Swans mates over and over about the joy. Pleasure takes many forms, but you need a good imagination to get the most from it.

As for the compo picks, who cares really? They'll be gone soon enough anyway. And Young's a pushover dud who can't keep his feet.

So why post ? The things you claim are a fantasy by the way, but Im sure you'll get some likeminded geelong trolls to agree with you

 

[shiva25]

Dont know why the complaints about being short cahnged. FA is not designed to compensate clubs for loosing players and never will be and if anyone thinks their respective clubs should be compensated equally for loosing players they are kidding themselves

 

[db swannie]

So why post ? The things you claim are a fantasy by the way, but Im sure you'll get some likeminded geelong trolls to agree with you

A fantasy is you thinking about Buddy kicking straight in the GF. I don't care, I observe.

 

[Jex]

It isn't designed to be full compensation.

Young, Pearce and Chaplin are all 26. That means that one factor of the compensation is identical. The only other factor is the value of the contract.

Pearce and Chaplin's contract puts them in Band 3, Young's contract put him in band 5.

Clearly he is being paid well less than both Chaplin and Pearce. There may have been 5 clubs interested in him, none were willing to pay anywhere near what Pearce and Chaplin demanded.

This...end of story. The only issue is a lack of transparency. The AFL has a secret formula to determine compensation based on age, contract etc. It's similar to KFC in that we know they use 11 herbs and spices, but we don't know what they are. I suppose they don't publicly define their formula for 1 of 2 reasons; 1) to protect a player's privacy with regards to their salary or 2) to be able to manipulate the compensation because they want to help struggling clubs or because they hate Hawthorn.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Umm, no one knew how the compensation would pan out as it was worked out after the FA period.

Everyone knew the compensation would depend on the age of the player and the length and size of the new contract.

Young must be playing for close to the minimum wage at the Pies and Pearce and Chaplin must be on healthy contracts at the Dockers and Tigers this shouldn't really surprise anyone.

Did the Hawks match committee really think that they would get decent compensation when they knew a ballpark figure Young would be signing on for? If they did they have completely misread what the FA compensation is all about badly

 

[CAS79]

Can someone clarify that free agency compo is added up by not only what you lost but what you gained. Id agree in isolation just on what they lost the hawks look to have been dudded a little but that is offset by gaining Lake and the impression given by several media outles in the run up that would lessen the compo the Hawks would receive and it appears to have happened.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Says the man with 28500 posts.

A brave (but suicidal) attempt at trying to analyse my enjoyment of being the premiers in 2012. Enjoyment is deeply rooted in pleasure, and pleasure in victory comes about in part because someone has been vanquished, and that someone in this instance is Hawthorn. And when the vanquished spend so much of their time crying foul (as you and others have) about the grand final and CoL, then my pleasure increases when I get the chance to turn the screw a little tighter upon my enemy. I can tell you, it's pleasurable, just like re-watching the grand final and talking with my Swans mates over and over about the joy. Pleasure takes many forms, but you need a good imagination to get the most from it.

As for the compo picks, who cares really? They'll be gone soon enough anyway. And Young's a pushover dud who can't keep his feet.

Why not just stick to the Bay if you want to troll.

 

[HFF]

Falcon Strike has pretty much nailed it in this thread.

Summed it up perfectly.

 

[Bardo State]

Can someone clarify that free agency compo is added up by not only what you lost but what you gained. Id agree in isolation just on what they lost the hawks look to have been dudded a little but that is offset by gaining Lake and the impression given by several media outles in the run up that would lessen the compo the Hawks would receive and it appears to have happened.

Only for Free Agency

Trades do not effect FA compo, hence why Port traded for Monfries, so it wouldn't effect their Chaplin/Pearce compo

 

[Prudster]

Young must be playing for close to the minimum wage at the Pies and Pearce and Chaplin must be on healthy contracts at the Dockers and Tigers this shouldn't really surprise anyone.

Did the Hawks match committee really think that they would get decent compensation when they knew a ballpark figure Young would be signing on for? If they did they have completely misread what the FA compensation is all about badly

So let me get this straight. You actually don't know what Young is playing for. Hawthorn know pretty much what he is on. Hawthorn aren't happy with the compensation, knowing all the facts. You think you know better, with pure guesswork, then a team of professionals know with all the facts.

Oh wait, Geelong fan commenting on a Hawthorn thread. Seems legit.

 

[millsy29gopies]

Bullshit. 5 clubs were interested in Young.

If it was a trade we would've got similar to what Collingwood did for Wellingham.

Gold!

You poor Hawthorn fans, having a whinge because you only got Pick 66. If Murphy had have been compensated it would have been for Pick 117 which you would've passed anyway. Agree with others that there should be no compensation.