News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[smish]

What did we do wrong?

We ran a review without consulting all parties.

We employed Phil Egan to run the review.

The review was leaked to the media by either Hawthorn, Phil Egan or the alleged victims denying the accused individuals natural justice.

Since then, Hawthorn has stayed silent while the accused individuals have been torched by the media and their names dragged through the mud for eight months.

Except the subject of the review was the players, not the coaches.

Would you preferred we made a big song and dance?

 

[DogDaySonny]

Reckon Hawks still get sued regardless

There are still no damages. Nothing to sue over. Kennett laid it out on the radio - Hawthorn followed safe workplace practices, or so he claimed. Perhaps some players may be able to establish Hawthorn didn’t do this, but if the Clarkson side of the equation evaporates as soon as he tries to establish some damages, then I think it’s likely the club has no issue either.

The best the players will get is the to-be-disclosed compensation Gowers has already offered.

 

[MasterSamurai]

What did we do wrong?

We ran a review without consulting all parties.

We employed Phil Egan to run the review.

The review was leaked to the media by either Hawthorn, Phil Egan or the alleged victims denying the accused individuals natural justice.

Since then, Hawthorn has stayed silent while the accused individuals have been torched by the media and their names dragged through the mud for eight months.

Sorry, just on your point about the leak by Hawthorn!! You sure if not then taht leaves the not consulting other parties part of your post , but, why would Hawthorn do that? They weren't trying get other parties in trouble, they were doing due diligence and I would hope all clubs do something similar, pushed by the AFL, it's the honorable thing to do right? Or would we find 18 clubs with incoming sanctions?

 

[BlackHawk72]

You think it’s been well handled do you?

We Followed the AFL charter exactly. Would you rather we sweep these (stories) from the indigenous players under the carpet?

 

[brad sue well]

 

[Brodes]

We Followed the AFL charter exactly. Would you rather we sweep these (stories) from the indigenous players under the carpet?

I’m not saying that at all so don’t put words in my mouth thank you.

I’m simply saying that if such serious claims are being made the club needs to ensure that the review is done fairly and everyone can represent themselves equally.

 

[brad sue well]

 

[macdaddio]

Either way the damage has been done and the club and past coaches and player’s relationships are fractured over this mess!

 

[jumpingjai]

Where is our president?
Biggest crisis in the clubs history and we have heard nothing..for months

 

[BlackHawk72]

I’m not saying that at all so don’t put words in my mouth thank you.

I’m simply saying that if such serious claims are being made the club needs to ensure that the review is done fairly and everyone can represent themselves equally.

It wasn’t a review on Clarko and co. It was meant to be finding out if the indigenous players experience at HFC was overall positive. It came back with some concerning stories, so we followed the AFL charter and handed it over to the incompetent organisation called the AFL. Now tell me what is wrong here? You need to stop listening to media personalities who have an agenda and research it yourself. It was never an investigation commissioned by Hawthorn.

 

[BlackHawk72]

Where is our president?
Biggest crisis in the clubs history and we have heard nothing..for months

Good question

 

[TylerDurden]

Where is our president?
Biggest crisis in the clubs history and we have heard nothing..for months

He's done what the AFL wanted. To shut up and not speak about it.
Would you prefer daily updates on SEN from Jeff??

 

[HeHateMe]

I’m not saying that at all so don’t put words in my mouth thank you.

I’m simply saying that if such serious claims are being made the club needs to ensure that the review is done fairly and everyone can represent themselves equally.

Read the pinned post, that's the AFLs responsibility after they were handed the report with the complaints that ended up instigating the investigation. I still don't understand why the AFL sat on the report for 2 weeks.

 

[jumpingjai]

Good question

Jeff Kennett had to defend the vl

He's done what the AFL wanted. To shut up and not speak about it.
Would you prefer daily updates on SEN from Jeff??

Yes.. when lies and misinformation are being broadcast

 

[KermitJagger]

Feel terrible for Clarko. Australians are indoctrinated to get their self-worth from being the great defenders of Aborigines. Whenever a situation like this happens, Australians fall over themselves to see who can be the most vicious to the alleged racist. Due process, evidence, reason—none of it matters to these great defenders.

Pretty crappy post. Indigenous or not, I'd have great issue with my employer telling me to cut ties with family, confiscating my phone and forcing me to change my number, or telling me to encourage my partner to terminate a pregnancy. I wouldn't encourage anyone being vicious to Clarko, but knowing what I do about footy clubs and elite sports environments I believe that the majority if not all of the accusations are true.

 

[BlackHawk72]

He's done what the AFL wanted. To shut up and not speak about it.
Would you prefer daily updates on SEN

We don’t need an AFL puppet as President

 

[SSSSSS]

Important to note that exonerated doesn't mean something didn't happen. Politicians are exonerated all the time.

This shit is going to get messy.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Important to note that exonerated doesn't mean something didn't happen. Politicians are exonerated all the time.

This s**t is going to get messy.

Yep, now the real shit fight begins

AFL can wash their hands of it and let the courts decide

 

[Brodes]

It wasn’t a review on Clarko and co. It was meant to be finding out if the indigenous players experience at HFC was overall positive. It came back with some concerning stories, so we followed the AFL charter and handed it over to the incompetent organisation called the AFL. Now tell me what is wrong here? You need to stop listening to media personalities who have an agenda and research it yourself. It was never an investigation commissioned by Hawthorn.

My point is:

Shouldn’t we have at least consulted the accused that these allegations had been made against them before going to the AFL.

Should we have had a more trusted panel of people running this storytelling process. We weren’t to know but Phil Egan hasn’t exactly shown up to be a man of integrity.

Should we have spoken up and supported the accused a little more once the report was leaked.

I guess I’m questioning wether we’ve been fair to all parties in this process.

If the accused prove to be guilty they will be exited from the game and rightfully so. But can you imagine being totally innocent and having no right of reply while the country speaks of you as a racist?

 

[BlackHawk72]

My point is:

Shouldn’t we have at least consulted the accused that these allegations had been made against them before going to the AFL.

Should we have had a more trusted panel of people running this storytelling process. We weren’t to know but Phil Egan hasn’t exactly shown up to be a man of integrity.

Should we have spoken up and supported the accused a little more once the report was leaked.

I guess I’m questioning wether we’ve been fair to all parties in this process.

If the accused prove to be guilty they will be exited from the game and rightfully so. But can you imagine being totally innocent and having no right of reply while the country speaks of you as a racist?

A much more balanced post by you. I agree Egan can’t be trusted, however at the time we had no reason to not trust him. I truly believe we did what’s right. If this wasn’t leaked it would of been dealt behind closed doors and parties involved wouldn’t be dragged through the mud. Like you I have no idea if the accused are guilty, However Clarko was off the rails and a control freak who thought he knew better than everyone, the power and control got to his head, it happens to the best of us and Clarko no different.

 

[Bugs1977]

Jordan Lewis is trying to get the main gig on Foxfooty’s new show - AFL180

 

[Titch3Votes0MooreAA]

He's done what the AFL wanted. To shut up and not speak about it.
Would you prefer daily updates on SEN from Jeff??

Yes.

 

[birch]

Surely their client “Amy” can’t refuse to take part, then be upset when things go nowhere and get shut down because no one takes part?

 

[natio]

Can the board fire Justin Reeves now?

 

[Dewnior]

By pulling out of the AFL process, he's also put the onus on the HFC. Great deflection. Seems like we'll wear most of the heat from here. He's gone from being the accused, to merely a witness. Well played again Clarko. Smart man.

Yep, and the familes want the foucs on us, not the people accused.

'Part of them feels his pain': Lawyer for ex-Hawks player speaks after Clarkson takes leave

The lawyer representing a family at the centre of the Hawthorn racism investigation says they have again been left feeling "traumatised" by the elongated investigation.

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