News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[Fastback]

Apart form the principle and look, if Clarko got another million from us we’d still be ahead on the value he gave us.

The thing is he hasn't incurred any financial hardship from this and it was never the club making the allegations. The AFL need to come forward and admit that their own protocols which we abided by are flawed. As a result they should hand out compensation for the emotional strain to the parties involved and apologise to the club. Of course they won't.

 

[Charchi]

Apart form the principle and look, if Clarko got another million from us we’d still be ahead on the value he gave us.

As a long time supporter I am very grateful for what Clarko help bring to the club, however, he was a very highly paid individual who did what he was paid to do and bring success to HFC.
I don't think he was the sole reason for HFC's success as such, IMO, he has been paid for services rendered including a $900K golden handshake and any further monies he can get through the courts.

 

[QuietB]

Is this the same guy who supported Essendon splashing cash to everyone?

 

[Todman]

 

[Fluro Boots]

It makes sense as a commercial decision to make a payout to Clarko and Fagan if the terms are acceptable. Legals costs to continue would be huge and if we can do deal that works it makes sense. Regardless of your beliefs about where the guilt lays it’s hard to argue that Clarko and Fagans character and reputation havn’t been hurt by this where there has been no fault found. AFL should come to the party as well though but don’t see that happening

 

[H00t]

Sky News is brain rot

 

[arupist]

Sky News is brain rot

Rita Panahi constantly uses the word "pundints". It drives me crazy. Someone should tell her. But I doubt there is anyone at SKY who is intelligent enough to see it.

 

[HedgeFund]

It makes sense as a commercial decision to make a payout to Clarko and Fagan if the terms are acceptable. Legals costs to continue would be huge and if we can do deal that works it makes sense. Regardless of your beliefs about where the guilt lays it’s hard to argue that Clarko and Fagans character and reputation havn’t been hurt by this where there has been no fault found. AFL should come to the party as well though but don’t see that happening

Hawthorn handed the matter to the AFL as they were required to do.

The AFL set up a crap process to investigate / mediate which fell over.

It’s apparently the AFL suggesting Hawthorn now cough up

No independent tribunal / court has made any finding whatsoever in relation to the allegations (ie. the allegations have not yet been tested).

The substantive matter is now before the Human Rights Commission.

All parties should cool their jets until that process is concluded.

 

[Hawks91b]

Kennet article today is pretty on point.

 

[TylerDurden]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/jeff-kennett-it-would-be-absurd-for-hawthorn-to-pay-compensation-over-racism-report-fiasco/news-story/3e0520f0bd23063eabc286a5cfa83350

 

[MasterSamurai]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/jeff-kennett-it-would-be-absurd-for-hawthorn-to-pay-compensation-over-racism-report-fiasco/news-story/3e0520f0bd23063eabc286a5cfa83350

At first, I thought, it may be a rant of sorts, but, I actually think Kennett is spot on with his argument against the supposed " Hawthorn must pay!" Rhetoric here in this article. If we feel we're hard done by, then we must fight against any wrongdoing.

 

[HedgeFund]

Key point from Jeff:

“some family members of the Indigenous players leaked their stories to the ABC.”

Which Jackson acknowledged when he first wrote the article way back in Sept 2022.

I seriously doubt if anyone from the club had also leaked the report (which has never been established) then Jeff wouldn’t acknowledge that.

So the club did what it was required to do, and the reason Clarkson et al had the allegations brought to light was because family members contacted Jackson after the AFL HAD RECEIVED THE REPORT AND WAS THE RESPONSIBLE ENTITY FOR THE PURPOSE OF HANDLING THE MATTER AT THE TIME.

There was no leaking of the Report!

The AFL was in charge, and they farked it up.

 

[lethalselbow]

It's not going to court? Surprising....

 

[Yardie]

At first, I thought, it may be a rant of sorts, but, I actually think Kennett is spot on with his argument against the supposed " Hawthorn must pay!" Rhetoric here in this article. If we feel we're hard done by, then we must fight against any wrongdoing.

Although Jeff can be polarising, he has been both good and bad for the club during his tenures. Personally, I thought it was a good move for him to come back and right the ship and he did a good job at the time, but on the other hand I also felt he overstayed.

In regard to this article I'd say we have good Jeff fighting the fight. He can be fiery at times and a bit loose but when he wants to be articulate, he comes across extremely well.

I voted for Gowers, but he better be reading that article and listening to Jeff.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Although Jeff can be polarising, he has been both good and bad for the club during his tenures. Personally, I thought it was a good move for him to come back and right the ship and he did a good job at the time, but on the other hand I also felt he overstayed.

In regard to this article I'd say we have good Jeff fighting the fight. He can be fiery at times and a bit loose but when he wants to be articulate, he comes across extremely well.

I voted for Gowers, but he better be reading that article and listening to Jeff.

Jeff's more recent comments on this topic have been fairly well delivered and on point and rather un-Jeff like.

 

[Philhawk]

Jeff's more recent comments on this topic have been fairly well delivered and on point and rather un-Jeff like.

It's his legacy on the line. I think he's going to be a big voice of truth for us as we navigate this.

 

[pattymalone00]

Don’t know if this is the right thread, also side note I know were planning on moving but trashing on your clubs training ground seems like a move

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I would have just given Jeff the life membership so he wouldn’t spout off - but that’s just me. On the AGM complaints. Wouldn’t more of our present membership live near Mulgrave versus near Hawthorn itself? Also can more people get into the one at Waverley vs the Hawthorn Town Hall? Genuinely curious. I don’t hate the idea of being able to tour the facility and musuem before the AGM.

 

[pattymalone00]

I would have just given Jeff the life membership so he wouldn’t spout off - but that’s just me. On the AGM complaints. Wouldn’t more of our present membership live near Mulgrave versus near Hawthorn itself? Also can more people get into the one at Waverley vs the Hawthorn Town Hall? Genuinely curious. I don’t hate the idea of being able to tour the facility and musuem before the AGM.

A) can’t you just rent out the last piece for drinks and b) isn’t it also a perfect opportunity to leave the hawks nest open and make a buck or two off people going to the agm buying 2024 merch and also might need to look into ways to fix it but outside of the agm did the club even have much to do with the Hawthorn area, they even ended up closing down the club shop they had at Glenferrie

 

[Stranglers]

Don’t know if this is the right thread, also side note I know were planning on moving but trashing on your clubs training ground seems like a move

Normal service has been resumed.

 

[peetoo]

Normal service has been resumed.

Sort of reminds me of Don Scott’s life membership episode

 

[Billyc]

I would have just given Jeff the life membership so he wouldn’t spout off - but that’s just me. On the AGM complaints. Wouldn’t more of our present membership live near Mulgrave versus near Hawthorn itself? Also can more people get into the one at Waverley vs the Hawthorn Town Hall? Genuinely curious. I don’t hate the idea of being able to tour the facility and musuem before the AGM.

Tend to agree. Either don’t grant him life membership at all or just get it done with. Granting it but delaying giving it to him was always going to result in a needless distraction

 

[jumpingjai]

Refusing to present JK with his Life membership is a terrible decision. It reeks of petty vindictiveness,and is certainly devisive.

Whatever your political opinion on Jeff, he certainly had the best of the club at heart and often put himself in the firing line when tough decisions need to be taken.
Andy Gowers needs to tell members who made this decision and why.
Kennett has said Gowers told him it was a board decision but Kennett says other board members he has spoken to have denied that.

It is also ridiculous to suggest that the AGM will be held at Waverley as it is more convenient for membership.
Hard to avoid the conclusion that this decision was made to avoid scrutiny.
Very disappointing.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

It is also ridiculous to suggest that the AGM will be held at Waverley as it is more convenient for membership.
Hard to avoid the conclusion that this decision was made to avoid scrutiny.
Very disappointing.

Is it? I’ve genuinely asked the question a few posts before but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to suggest that Mulgrave is closer to more of our members than the Hawthorn town hall. Ignoring the team name - I’m fairly sure more of our supporters/members are in the outer east than inner city.

If more of our members live out there and in the membership forums during the year had stated a closer AGM would be preferable then it would be increasingly harder to avoid the conclusion you seemingly want to reach without question.

 

[jumpingjai]

Is it? I’ve genuinely asked the question a few posts before but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to suggest that Mulgrave is closer to more of our members than the Hawthorn town hall. Ignoring the team name - I’m fairly sure more of our supporters/members are in the outer east than inner city.

If more of our members live out there and in the membership forums during the year had stated a closer AGM would be preferable then it would be increasingly harder to avoid the conclusion you seemingly want to reach without question.

Who will ever know what is the geographically most convenient? Ask the club im sure they don't know either.

All I'm saying is that I'm sure this is not the reason for moving the AGM to Waverley where access is difficult for all.