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Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.
Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

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Why must it be about taking sides?

He shared his own experience.

If it turns out that the allegations are 100% correct in how they've been explained then I'm sure sure Luke will be disappointed, shocked and will likely release another statement explaining as such.

For now, his simply stated his honest feelings. And he hasn't said 'I believe these allegations are false'.
No he hasn't just stated his feelings, hes come out in support of Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.
He said so in his statement
 
The allegations are anonymous, so why wouldn't he take the 'innocent until proven guilty' viewpoint if his account as the captain of the club did not have any evidence to suggest these allegations are conclusive?
Just because it's not public to us doesn't mean that nobody knows.
They aren't anonymous like someone ringing Crimestoppers though
 

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No he hasn't just stated his feelings, hes come out in support of Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.
He said so in his statement

It doesn't mean me doesn't support the claims from the indigenous players or writes them off as false, because he hasn't said that. It just means he, like most people should, acknowledges there is a system that will play out and the truth is likely grey more so than black or white.

He was as close to this situation in real time as one could be and is being mentioned often about his ignorance to it or role in it. It's important that he said something.

We just have to agree to disagree. Which is fine.
 
Just because it's not public to us doesn't mean that nobody knows.
They aren't anonymous like someone ringing Crimestoppers though
Quite possibly - then his support for Clarkson/Fagan might be guided by knowledge of the character of the individual(s) making the allegations. Although I see Hodge's support for Clarkson/Fagan as withholding judgement / continuing support for them until the investigation concludes based on his account of his experience and their track record - it hardly arrives at Clarkson and Fagan as innocent, but isn't that the point of completing a proper investigation?

Edit: there also might be added sympathy as they have not been afforded a fair hearing. It was unfair for this to leak to the media the way it did for all concerned.
 
Quite possibly - then his support for Clarkson/Fagan might be guided by knowledge of the character of the individual(s) making the allegations. Although I see Hodge's support for Clarkson/Fagan as withholding judgement / continuing support for them until the investigation concludes based on his account of his experience and their track record - it hardly arrives at Clarkson and Fagan as innocent, but isn't that the point of completing a proper investigation?

Edit: there also might be added sympathy as they have not been afforded a fair hearing. It was unfair for this to leak to the media the way it did for all concerned.
Where are the players and AFL people coming out in support of the players and their families though?
Pretty clear what's happening, Hardwick made comments as well about how Clarkson is suffering.

All the support is one way publicly, its PR.
 
No he hasn't just stated his feelings, hes come out in support of Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.
He said so in his statement
He most certainly has not taken sides in this. He has just stated that through his experiences with the accused (some through some challenging times) that he felt the need to be showing support right back. What I got out of this is Hodgey knowing full well that he's going to be criticised for showing that support but is prepared to do so anyway.

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Where are the players and AFL people coming out in support of the players and their families though?
Pretty clear what's happening, Hardwick made comments as well about how Clarkson is suffering.

All the support is one way publicly, its PR.
I suspect the support for the players and families making the allegations would most likely be much greater if they weren't under the veil of anonymity.
 
He most certainly has not taken sides in this. He has just stated that through his experiences with the accused (some through some challenging times) that he felt the need to be showing support right back. What I got out of this is Hodgey knowing full well that he's going to be criticised for showing that support but is prepared to do so anyway.

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Yeah I've read the statement.

You think the first part means he isn't taking sides?

Because he clearly is. Which again, he's allowed but this is how racism is Australia works.

Lots of support for white people from other white people who are all really silent on the racism, and any criticism of that is pushed back on.

This is how the AFL works. We've still got people like now Damien Hardwick acting like Clarkson has been silenced the whole right of reply bullshit.

There's been plenty of replies though hasn't there, Clarkson doesn't have to say anything himself his mates are doing it for him
 
I haven't read it this way.

I've seen a lot of people questioning how Hodge, as captain during this period, couldn't have known what was taking place.

He's acknowledged his own relatable history with the accused and simply given a statement that will stop people speculating about what he knew as captain.

The indigenous players who presented their stories have spoken what they know to be the truth as they lived it.

So has Luke Hodge.

A lot has to play out yet.

If Clarkson and Fagen are found guilty I don't see how what Hodge has said affects anything.
People in this thread view it as taking sides. It doesn’t matter what his intentions are here. He kicked the hornets nest.
 
Hodge’s statement was ill advised to say the least. Has not read the room. Everyone else is speaking through lawyers or briefing journos and he makes a statement on social media that can be read as him taking a side. It will only inflame things and polarise people.
This is not about reading the room. it is about describing what he knew and experienced. People who fall into the trap of reading the room rather than addressing the issue are the ones more concerned with power and popularity than the truth.
 

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Yeah I've read the statement.

You think the first part means he isn't taking sides?

Because he clearly is. Which again, he's allowed but this is how racism is Australia works.

Lots of support for white people from other white people who are all really silent on the racism, and any criticism of that is pushed back on.

This is how the AFL works. We've still got people like now Damien Hardwick acting like Clarkson has been silenced the whole right of reply bullshit.

There's been plenty of replies though hasn't there, Clarkson doesn't have to say anything himself his mates are doing it for him
I'm 45 years old and born in South Africa (look very similar to Michael Walters from Freo) so I think I know full well a thing or too about racism. I have no problem whatsover with anything that Hodge said in his statement. Should he have kept his support private? Well that was up to him and I respect him for putting his head on the chopping block. Also he might not have shown support for the accusers in that statement but had already done so previously and that's not what that (the statement) was about as it was meant for the accused.

Let's all just let justice take it's course shall we.
 
This is not about reading the room. it is about describing what he knew and experienced. People who fall into the trap of reading the room rather than addressing the issue are the ones more concerned with power and popularity than the truth.
You get that horrible people all have character witnesses yeah?
Pretty much nobody is an arseh*le to everyone
You also get that being nice to one person doesn't mean your nice to everyone?

But what these sort of statements do is serve the narrative.

Clarkson and Fagan the victims, good guys who mean well, we won't talk about what they've been accused of, just how they're feeling about it, how much we like them..
 
I'm 45 years old and born in South Africa (look very similar to Michael Walters from Freo) so I think I know full well a thing or too about racism. I have no problem whatsover with anything that Hodge said in his statement. Should he have kept his support private? Well that was up to him and I respect him for putting his head on the chopping block. Also he might not have shown support for the accusers in that statement but had already done so previously and that's not what that (the statement) was about as it was meant for the accused.

Let's all just let justice take it's course shall we.
You're entitled to your view on this, I don't agree with it though.

Supporting both sides in this sort of situation is kinda bullshit though, but I don't see him supporting his former teammates with this statement
 
You're entitled to your view on this, I don't agree with it though.

Supporting both sides in this sort of situation is kinda bullshit though, but I don't see him supporting his former teammates with this statement
So let me get this right in that what your'e saying is that Hodge a) has chosen a side b) hasn't shown support to the accusers? How do you know this and how do you know that he hasn't shown support to all parties? To be fair without knowing exactly who the accusers are it is actually impossible for him to show any support for them outside of what he has done already (see below).

So yeah I disagree with you that he has to choose a side. The only thing I feel he could've done differently was not to say / do nothing at all but if you read a lot of online comments a lot of them are saying what took him so long. He's now copping it from all sides.



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So let me get this right in that what your'e saying is that Hodge a) has chosen a side b) hasn't shown support to the accusers? How do you know this and how do you know that he hasn't shown support to all parties? To be fair without knowing exactly who the accusers are it is actually impossible for him to show any support for them outside of what he has done already (see below).

So yeah I disagree with you that he has to choose a side. The only thing I feel he could've done differently was not to say / do nothing at all but if you read a lot of online comments a lot of them are saying what took him so long. He's now copping it from all sides.



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And then he gave very public support to the people accused of the abuse
 
Yeah I've read the statement.

You think the first part means he isn't taking sides?

Because he clearly is. Which again, he's allowed but this is how racism is Australia works.

Lots of support for white people from other white people who are all really silent on the racism, and any criticism of that is pushed back on.

So Luke Hodge is racist ?
 
And then he gave very public support to the people accused of the abuse
In response to more recent articles talking about the controlling nature of the coaches in question, not just to the indigenous players in question. A public statement wasn't a great idea but let's not draw this long string of racism or taking sides. Not everything is black and white.
 

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