News Hawthorn Racism Review - No player name speculation - opposition posters tread very carefully

[Strapping Young Lad]

Wrong. Hawks did what they had to do by the rules of the AFL.

Correct. For reference below, once the HFC had the report outlining serious allegations they were duty bound by the AFL’s protocol to hand over the report to the AFL integrity unit.

I will pin this post, as it seems to be a constant query.

 

[macdaddio]

I agree that's clearly an inflammatory statement. But I think what Hodge said is incredibly tone deaf. I understand what he's try to do, but to completely gloss over all the allegations and to not offer support to the players he was the captain of who faced this alleged abuse just doesn't help in the slightest imo

Hodge already came out and said he wished he knew about it at the time then he could’ve helped,what else can he say.
Both Burgoyne and Wingard stood up for Clarko too whilst also saying they knew nothing about what happened especially Burgoyne.

 

[Restricted Free Agent]

It's easy to judge from our view on the couch, but put yourself in Hodge's shoes. These are very serious allegations (which he does not "gloss over" nor dismiss) leveled at people who are pretty close to him. Would you not do the same?

I believe victims personally. I've ended long term friendships over it before. That being said, I would wait. I would apologise to those affected and wait for the investigation to run it's course. I do not believe that a statement about his experience outside of an official investigation does anything to help the situation and only makes it worse

That being said, what I would do in the situation is irrelevant. The main thing I take issue with is the fact that in this statement he doesn't support his teammates who were allegedly abused and solely defends Clarko and Fagan.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No doubt Caro doesn't write the headline, but it's hardly beside the point.
She does write the rest of it, I presume? Here is the first paragraph of her article ...

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Fresh allegations. Pretty sure those words are in the contents of the article - maybe just not the bit you want to discuss.

So back to the point I and others were making - a point that you have every right to dislike or disagree with but zero right to censor - Caroline Wilson has engaged in a shoddy bit of journalism by presenting old news as "fresh allegations." It was needless, self-serving and characteristic of that particular journalist (has anyone else sat through Footy Classified?).

And FYI, anyone with decently developed critical literacy skills will always be wary of author impartiality, sensationalism, inacurracy ... it is foolish to read an article and not consider who the author is, who they work for, what they have previously written or said, etc

Still making it about Caro, rather then what’s actually in the article, which is clearly comparable circumstances to that which have been alleged.

 

[H00t]

Isolation? The standard approach is to have players move in with coaches or member families or with other players.

Yes isolation. The allegations of hawthorn coaches splitting up a couple and trying to keep partners (+kids) away from each other for extended periods of time are pretty serious.

That is isolation. Just because they might be near a teammate/coach. Doesn’t mean they haven’t been isolated from their support network. You can be in a group yet feel isolated. Much like how I imagine those players felt.

 

[corporal]

Opposition supporters view, Hodge would know full well to how potentially damaging to his career speaking his truth on this matter could be. The fact he has, defending the coaches who took him from a wayward kid to a champion of the game, speaks to his integrity. Doesn't mean the allegations aren't true or valid, but a lot of respect to Luke for standing up against what has so far been mainly a one way mob.

 

[Sixpence]

I believe victims personally. I've ended long term friendships over it before. That being said, I would wait. I would apologise to those affected and wait for the investigation to run it's course. I do not believe that a statement about his experience outside of an official investigation does anything to help the situation and only makes it worse

That being said, what I would do in the situation is irrelevant. The main thing I take issue with is the fact that in this statement he doesn't support his teammates who were allegedly abused and solely defends Clarko and Fagan.

That is your right to choose what you believe, but you must realise that Hodge is in the position of having to reconcile these serious allegations from former teammates against people whom he has strong relationships with. It is not reasonable or fair to expect him to take the same stance you do.

 

[Mercy Seat]

I believe victims personally. I've ended long term friendships over it before. That being said, I would wait. I would apologise to those affected and wait for the investigation to run it's course. I do not believe that a statement about his experience outside of an official investigation does anything to help the situation and only makes it worse

That being said, what I would do in the situation is irrelevant. The main thing I take issue with is the fact that in this statement he doesn't support his teammates who were allegedly abused and solely defends Clarko and Fagan.

I think where the conversation has been going with the recent “Russian mafia” allegations and Caros article today, essentially making it about Clarkos controlling behaviour generally, is what prompted him to step up and say something.

That’s all I believe he is responding to. He clearly mentions that he is not speaking on behalf of the indigenous players stories and has unequivocally supported them in previous statements / discussions.

 

[Bugs1977]

I believe victims personally. I've ended long term friendships over it before. That being said, I would wait. I would apologise to those affected and wait for the investigation to run it's course. I do not believe that a statement about his experience outside of an official investigation does anything to help the situation and only makes it worse

That being said, what I would do in the situation is irrelevant. The main thing I take issue with is the fact that in this statement he doesn't support his teammates who were allegedly abused and solely defends Clarko and Fagan.

Very well said

 

[KermitJagger]

Anyone who read Hodge's comments and thought it read "but this white guy had a good time with his white mates”, is a ******* moron.

Yep "I like X", "so what you're saying is you hate Y" logic. So stupid.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

I believe victims personally. I've ended long term friendships over it before. That being said, I would wait. I would apologise to those affected and wait for the investigation to run it's course. I do not believe that a statement about his experience outside of an official investigation does anything to help the situation and only makes it worse

That being said, what I would do in the situation is irrelevant. The main thing I take issue with is the fact that in this statement he doesn't support his teammates who were allegedly abused and solely defends Clarko and Fagan.

My take is each party is being honest and telling there truth.

Personally i feel it is a miss understanding. An mediation could clear this matter up very quickly.

 

[PAOKTSIS]

Adam Briggs hits the nail on the head here

OBVIOUS and OVERT racism?

Really now?

Has the investigation concluded and decision handed down already that I’m not aware of?


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[CaptainWorpedo]

If anyone doubts our great club and where were going please do you self a favour and watch Sams first speech for the night.

An even Kennet impressed me tonight with his speach.

I am a proud Hawk! Aim to be better, aim to encourage each other to be better people.

 

[Off The Couch]

“Not a crisis”
“A bump on the highway”

I loathe this guy

 

[cryptor]

“Not a crisis”
“A bump on the highway”

I loathe this guy

If he's going to call it a "bump" the least he could have done was follow it up with "one which we'll ride with a grin".

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

“Not a crisis”
“A bump on the highway”

I loathe this guy

Have you watched Kennetts full speech? It went for about 15 min. An has been qouted out of context.

Kennets speech was good for Kennett, no foot in mouth.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Adam Briggs hits the nail on the head here

The issue here is that in matters of race, it fiercely shifts into an 'us vs them' mentality very quickly.

What Luke Hodge said had ZERO to do with the race of Clarkson and Fagen for example. He simply explained how despite receiving tough love early in his career shaped him into the man he is today. The 4 time premiership player, 3 time premiership captain, 2 time Norm Smith medalist, father of 4, successful footy broadcaster. He credits the direct influence of those two men for all those incredible things he has achieved.

To expect him to deny that or speak dishonestly about those two men is completely misguided. Briggs raises important issues about First Nations people frequently, but does so ruthlessly and only ever from one viewpoint. He cannot know enough about the situation at hand to be calling out Luke Hodge.

 

[Off The Couch]

Luke Hodge did that himself.

He effectively says “it was a bit of tough love” and he survived it and prospered from it.

That’s great, but not everyone did
As I saw earlier - this is akin to Sloane saying he didn’t have a problem with the camp

Clarkson and co. may be the best coaches on the planet and their techniques obviously worked, they won 4 premierships but that doesn’t mean that “bad things” didn’t happen and Luke’s speech does nothing to dispel that.

 

[Gralin]

The issue here is that in matters of race, it fiercely shifts into an 'us vs them' mentality very quickly.

What Luke Hodge said had ZERO to do with the race of Clarkson and Fagen for example. He simply explained how despite receiving tough love early in his career shaped him into the man he is today. The 4 time premiership player, 3 time premiership captain, 2 time Norm Smith medalist, father of 4, successful footy broadcaster. He credits the direct influence of those two men for all those incredible things he has achieved.

To expect him to deny that or speak dishonestly about those two men is completely misguided. Briggs raises important issues about First Nations people frequently, but does so ruthlessly and only ever from one viewpoint. He cannot know enough about the situation at hand to be calling out Luke Hodge.

He's come out in support of Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.
He's picked his side in this, which is why he's copping it on social media from people that support the Indigenous players and their families.

He's allowed to do that just as people are allowed to criticize his statement.

 

[Brishawk]

The issue here is that in matters of race, it fiercely shifts into an 'us vs them' mentality very quickly.

What Luke Hodge said had ZERO to do with the race of Clarkson and Fagen for example. He simply explained how despite receiving tough love early in his career shaped him into the man he is today. The 4 time premiership player, 3 time premiership captain, 2 time Norm Smith medalist, father of 4, successful footy broadcaster. He credits the direct influence of those two men for all those incredible things he has achieved.

To expect him to deny that or speak dishonestly about those two men is completely misguided. Briggs raises important issues about First Nations people frequently, but does so ruthlessly and only ever from one viewpoint. He cannot know enough about the situation at hand to be calling out Luke Hodge.

Hodge’s statement was ill advised to say the least. Has not read the room. Everyone else is speaking through lawyers or briefing journos and he makes a statement on social media that can be read as him taking a side. It will only inflame things and polarise people.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Hodge’s statement was ill advised to say the least. Has not read the room. Everyone else is speaking through lawyers or briefing journos and he makes a statement on social media that can be read as him taking a side. It will only inflame things and polarise people.

I haven't read it this way.

I've seen a lot of people questioning how Hodge, as captain during this period, couldn't have known what was taking place.

He's acknowledged his own relatable history with the accused and simply given a statement that will stop people speculating about what he knew as captain.

The indigenous players who presented their stories have spoken what they know to be the truth as they lived it.

So has Luke Hodge.

A lot has to play out yet.

If Clarkson and Fagen are found guilty I don't see how what Hodge has said affects anything.

 

[grumbleguts]

Sicily 81
Moore 72
Newcome 71

 

[Gralin]

I haven't read it this way.

I've seen a lot of people questioning how Hodge, as captain during this period, couldn't have known what was taking place.

He's acknowledged his own relatable history with the accused and simply given a statement that will stop people speculating about what he knew as captain.

The indigenous players who presented their stories have spoken what they know to be the truth as they lived it.

So has Luke Hodge.

A lot has to play out yet.

If Clarkson and Fagen are found guilty I don't see how what Hodge has said affects anything.

He's just given glowing public character references for them.

 

[Blackhawk42]

He's just given glowing public character references for them.
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See my previous post.

He owes all his success to Clarksons methods that moulded him into a better person. Why is anybody surprised to simply hear those words out loud?

It's refreshing honesty.

I'd also like to point out that I believe the victims statements and how they perceived their individual circumstances played out.

But I'm also happy waiting to wait until all sides are permitted their chance to speak before expecting anybody to automatically take a side.

 

[Gralin]

See my previous post.

He owes all his success to Clarksons methods that moulded him into a better person. Why is anybody surprised to simply hear those words out loud?

It's refreshing honesty.

I'd also like to point out that I believe the victims statements and how they perceived their individual circumstances played out.

But I'm also happy waiting to wait until all sides are permitted their chance to speak before expecting anybody to automatically take a side.

Hodge has sided with Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.

That aside, Hodge having those views of the 3 doesn't mean they didn't do what they've been accused of though it will certainly be read that way by many

 

[Blackhawk42]

Hodge has sided with Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.

That aside, Hodge having those views of the 3 doesn't mean they didn't do what they've been accused of though it will certainly be read that way by many

Why must it be about taking sides?

He shared his own experience.

If it turns out that the allegations are 100% correct in how they've been explained then I'm sure sure Luke will be disappointed, shocked and will likely release another statement explaining as such.

For now, his simply stated his honest feelings. And he hasn't said 'I believe these allegations are false'.