News Hawthorn Racism Scandal

[Saltiga]

How you can even attempt to conflate these two clearly disparate issues tells me everything I need to know about your level of reasoning

Wasn't attempting to conflate them. Just highlighting how the angry, miserable, outraged narrative is always chosen on any and every topic even if it requires backflipping.

 

[Waspy79]

CAS is a body that sits outside the AFL's sphere of influence (ie it's not based in Australia).

The AFL will manufacture an outcome here to absolve Clarkson and Fagan of significant wrongdoing whilst simultaneously pretending they've heard the concerns of the players making the complaints.

Even if it ends up in court, the AFL will likely be able to negotiate the least damaging outcome possible for them. Australians in general have way too much naive faith in the legal system. It's open to soft corruption and big companies are still able to bully smaller companies or individuals into submission. The AFL will win out in the end.

Excuse my ignorance, but surely the accused won’t be afforded league backed and funded legal counsel and they will be fighting their own battles?

 

[Waspy79]

Don’t fall for the myth that “the truth is always somewhere in between”.

Some people lie, and blatantly.

 

[TeeKray]

Excuse my ignorance, but surely the accused won’t be afforded league backed and funded legal counsel and they will be fighting their own battles?

You don't have to explicitly fund legal proceedings to influence them. The AFL is a boys club and those boys operate at the very top end of town.

 

[Festerz]

Don’t fall for the myth that “the truth is always somewhere in between”.

Some people lie, and blatantly.

Yep. It's a meaningless BS comic book truism.

The truth is the truth. It does not work on the law of averages.

And when it comes to whose version of events is going to be believed look no further than who has the most power.

 

[edgie]

Ken says there's more to life than football and gets ridiculed for it. Clarkson the 4 time premiership coach appears to think there's not more to life than football and gets ridiculed for it.

There's about 370 odd examples of sportspeople being able to live in-between 'more to life than footy' and 'tell your missus to get an abortion to focus on footy more'

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[edgie]

Yes, you can- watch me. There is no context in which it is right for an employer to give advice or suggestions about something as personal as whether or not a baby should be kept- never.

In general, we hear players often talk about coaches as father figures, not employers. So this isn't a normal workplace.

That still doesn't excuse the sickening inhuman overreach these people thought that had however.

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[Festerz]

Did he say that he's a better father and husband?

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I see what you did there.

BTW there is a thread on the general forum board dealing with the Hawthorn racism allegations. A crow supporter has posted trying to make a comparison between the reporting around what happened in relation to the 2018 crow camp and the Hawthorn allegations - suggesting the crows were hard done by.

My response is here if anyone interested:

NO TROLLS - Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed.

Don’t use this thread as an opportunity to troll North or any other clubs, you’ll be removed from the discussion. Stick to the topic and please keep it civil and respectful to those involved. Keep personal arguements out of this thread. Help moderators by not quoting obvious trolls and use the...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[Ford Fairlane]

“They (the families) don’t want it to go to the legal system, but that independent panel, they want it to be truly independent. They feel like they’ve had 30 years of racism issues and people not being censored for racist comments.

“The AFL has said eight weeks, but that will be until the end of the investigation. Then if anyone doesn’t get satisfaction, that party will potentially go to the courts.”

Meanwhile support from president Sonja Hood to Clarkson last week has reportedly caused a stir behind the scenes.

“Sonja Hood said on the weekend that she was really confident in Clarkson’s side of the story. I think there was some Indigenous figures across the AFL and at the club put out by that, that she was seen to be taking sides and didn’t feel she didn’t need to go as strong in regards to that,” Ralph said.

“It’s messy and we are just at the start of this. It’s going to be a long, tough story on both sides.”

‘Political minefield’: Roadblock in Hawks saga as rivals forced to make contingencies

 

[TeeKray]

Sonja Hood is a classic example of virtue signalling. Look her up, her whole career has been built on championing diversity, minorities, etc. But when push comes to shove and the ugly reality of what is happening to those minorities looks set to negatively affect HER and the business SHE runs, she wants absolutely nothing to do with being part of the change. Filth.

 

[edgie]

Sexist

 

[klem22]

This scandal is turning into a cesspit the aboriginals supposed victims are not prepared to give testimony of there treatment saying that they have already told their story.
It seems that they expect their story to be believed without question and would expect the perpetrators to be hung on that alone.
One would think in the pursuit of justice you shine a light on things in order to discover the truth?? Surely
It seems to me this narrative of racism is being built on a very dubious foundation and until there is some common sense built into the narrative we will continue to see things go down hill.
The Adam Goodes saga in my opinion still stinks, that young girl was tried and hung on the spot without any trial and as I said before murderer's get more representation than this young girl did.
Before anyone calls racist my interests are more in integrity openess and truth rather than vilifying someone on the basis of their skin colour.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

I reckon she knows that she has tied her wagon to Clarkson and if he goes down she goes with him. Apparently the outgoing CEO (who was effectively sacked by Clarkson) was not very happy with the appointment. He must be feeling very smug now.

Her victory lapping over the whole Clarkson crap was sickly anyway. Kane Cornes

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[Schulzenfest]

“They (the families) don’t want it to go to the legal system, but that independent panel, they want it to be truly independent. They feel like they’ve had 30 years of racism issues and people not being censored for racist comments.

“The AFL has said eight weeks, but that will be until the end of the investigation. Then if anyone doesn’t get satisfaction, that party will potentially go to the courts.”

Meanwhile support from president Sonja Hood to Clarkson last week has reportedly caused a stir behind the scenes.

“Sonja Hood said on the weekend that she was really confident in Clarkson’s side of the story. I think there was some Indigenous figures across the AFL and at the club put out by that, that she was seen to be taking sides and didn’t feel she didn’t need to go as strong in regards to that,” Ralph said.

“It’s messy and we are just at the start of this. It’s going to be a long, tough story on both sides.”

‘Political minefield’: Roadblock in Hawks saga as rivals forced to make contingencies

Does Clarkson have a 'side of the story'? So far all I've heard from him is vague statements about having not done anything wrong.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

I reckon she knows that she has tied her wagon to Clarkson and if he goes down she goes with him. Apparently the outgoing CEO (who was effectively sacked by Clarkson) was not very happy with the appointment. He must be feeling very smug now.

Her victory lapping over the whole Clarkson crap was sickly anyway. Kane Cornes got that right.

Given the state of Norf when Hood took over smug is the last emotion he should be feeling

 

[OneGreatClub]

Does Clarkson have a 'side of the story'? So far all I've heard from him is vague statements about having not done anything wrong.

He just spouted the usual ‘ can’t comment any further while investigation is conducted’

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Given the state of Norf when Hood took over smug is the last emotion he should be feeling

It was better than the state it is in now. They are ****ed if this doesn't go well for Clarkson.

 

[edgie]

There's no way this doesn't go to court. If there's even the slightest chance they can salvage anything, Clarko and ko. will surely be going for defamation? The only way they don't is if the claims are 100% provably accurate.

 

[John the Butcher]

There's no way this doesn't go to court. If there's even the slightest chance they can salvage anything, Clarko and ko. will surely be going for defamation? The only way they don't is if the claims are 100% provably accurate.

Almost like a Friendly Jordies vs John Barilaro, without the parliamentary privilege

 

[Izzy01]

Why is the AFL taking so long to select the panel to investigate this.
Are they try to pick the right people to cover the boys clubs asses.

 

[manureid]

Why is the AFL taking so long to select the panel to investigate this.
Are they try to pick the right people to cover the boys clubs asses.

That, and hoping people forget about it and they can move on quietly. Doubt they will get that chance this time though

 

[It Just Is]

Why is the AFL taking so long to select the panel to investigate this.
Are they try to pick the right people to cover the boys clubs asses.

Not sure I’d be jumping out of my skin to be on that panel to be honest

 

[Rexie J]

And you need to select suitably qualified people who can write off two months from their normal profession.

Difficult.

 

[Festerz]

There's no way this doesn't go to court. If there's even the slightest chance they can salvage anything, Clarko and ko. will surely be going for defamation? The only way they don't is if the claims are 100% provably accurate.

A defamation case you think?

And who do you reckon will be the party that 'Clarko and ko' will take to court for civil defamation proceedings and why?

The players and their partners who responded to a Hawthorn appointed specialist consultant to give their experiences of how first nations peoples were/are treated at the Hawthorn Football Club - the report from which was provided to the AFL several weeks ago?;

and/or

The ABC journalist who followed up on that report to seek further details on the allegations contained in that Hawthorn Football Club report and published them as allegations, after the named parties were given fair chance to respond to give their side of the story before the story was published, but chose not to?

There are clear process issues here but my guess is that there is no way this even gets close to grounds for a civil case for defamation. But that is an uninformed opinion as I am not a practicing lawyer.

Here's a helpful primer on Australian defamation law from Gordon and Co (whose principal, Peter Gordon, is the person engaged by the AFL to represent their interests in this issue):

Defamation law in Australia: A quick guide

Defamation can cause serious harm to a person's reputation and as a result their life. The laws of defamation serve to protect a person's name and character. Our experienced lawyers have provided a quick guide on defamation laws in Australia.

gordonlegal.com.au

As for your comment that claims need to be 100% provable before being published. Take the time to think about what that would do to accountability and transparency of those in power if that was even remotely true. It would see discussion forums like this one shut down overnight for starters.

 

[johnnysix]

As for your comment that claims need to be 100% provable before being published. Take the time to think about what that would do to accountability and transparency of those in power if that was even remotely true. It would see discussion forums like this one shut down overnight for starters.

This is ridiculous. You can't honestly believe that the digital version of a bunch of blokes down at the pub talking sh*t requires the same journalistic integrity and fact checking as a story published in a Newspaper or a website claiming to publish News. Or especially a report into such serious claims as racism. On that note, in order to classify something as racist, wouldn't you need to verify that people were being treated differently on the basis of their race? Isn't it possible that the people at the club, if verified, we just complete assholes to everyone?