Analysis Hawthorn rebuild: are they tanking?

[The 747]

Who am I?

I left my club to join another club interstate because they promised me a coaching gig. I shafted them and came home.

I came back to my old club because they promised me a coaching gig, I coached 10 games in the VFL during COVID then shafted the head coach.

I won 36% of my games in year 1, 30% of my games in year 2, and 0% of my games in year 3.

Everybody loves me and thinks I'm a genius.

 

[peetoo]

Who am I?

I left my club to join another club interstate because they promised me a coaching gig. I shafted them and came home.

I came back to my old club because they promised me a coaching gig, I coached 10 games in the VFL during COVID then shafted the head coach.

I won 36% of my games in year 1, 30% of my games in year 2, and 0% of my games in year 3.

Everybody loves me and thinks I'm a genius.

Your last sentence. Have you read this thread?

 

[peetoo]

We're actually doing better than what we were this time last year. Shockers against Suns and Dee's. But other than that, we've been fairly competitive, as you'd expect with a young list. But people, including us hawks fans really have to be more patient with full rebuilds these days. They aren't as quick as what rebuilds in the 2000's were and you can almost expect to be out of finals for 4-5 years.

It’s not even that, it’s rebuilds that took in 2001. Carlton hot the first pick 3 yrs running and got nowhere

People are now saying Essendon went hard trading during covid and had not much data of draftees to go on.

2019 might be the closest to 2001 since. A once in a generation thing really

 

[Gavin Excell]

Robbo slams the Hawks

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Robbo slams the Hawks

I haven’t read it, but there’s nothing quite like a melt from Robbo about the Hawks.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Who am I?

I left my club to join another club interstate because they promised me a coaching gig. I shafted them and came home.

I came back to my old club because they promised me a coaching gig, I coached 10 games in the VFL during COVID then shafted the head coach.

I won 36% of my games in year 1, 30% of my games in year 2, and 0% of my games in year 3.

Everybody loves me and thinks I'm a genius.

Can update that

I shafted them and Rayne Embley and came home

 

[The 747]

I haven’t read it, but there’s nothing quite like a melt from Robbo about the Hawks.

THEY LACK THINGY! gesticulates

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

THEY LACK THINGY! gesticulates

“I don’t want to get emotional Gerard!”

 

[Bombfire]

Mitch looks like he's in need of a jab of something.

 

[sr36]

“I don’t want to get emotional Gerard!”

I'm the same age as Robbo so do get where he was coming from. Kicks were considered so dirty that that was 6 weeks in 1990.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I'm the same age as Robbo so do get where he was coming from. Kicks were considered so dirty that that was 6 weeks in 1990.

It was barely a foot tap.

 

[sr36]

It was barely a foot tap.

Look for footage of Tony Francis kicking Murray Rance in his first game. 6 week suspension. Kicking - even a tap - used to be beyond the pale.

 

[Daka]

Is there a Harley Reid in the draft this year?

Knowing our recruiters we’d * up the pick anyway.

Nope, there will be good players as always but Reid was so hyped up and so good no one talked about anyone else, the whole year in the draft it was all about Harley.

 

[bzparkes]

I left my club to join another club interstate because they promised me a coaching gig. I shafted them and came home.

TBF, the rumour is that it wasn't the club he gave a shafting to...

 

[Chadwiko]

Slightly terrified at the amount of Hawks fans who are going to tag me in this thread when Hawthorn beats North this week.

 

[smish]

Slightly terrified at the amount of Hawks fans who are going to tag me in this thread when Hawthorn beats North this week.

Not sure we will be able to. We're ****ing shite.

 

[hawkman]

Not sure we will be able to. We're ******* shite.

Think North are somehow even worse though

 

[perplexed]

I'm the same age as Robbo so do get where he was coming from. Kicks were considered so dirty that that was 6 weeks in 1990.

Oh come on. Robbo, as per normal, completely lost the plot here. What Sicily did wasn't a kick in any meaningful sense of the word.

 

[sr36]

Oh come on. Robbo, as per normal, completely lost the plot here. What Sicily did wasn't a kick in any meaningful sense of the word.

He just hasn't moved with the times. That was considered worse than a full blooded punch to the head in yesteryear. It was a definite suspension.

It's being out of touch - the equivalent of someone complaining that hip and shoulders to the head get you suspended.

 

[perplexed]

He just hasn't moved with the times. That was considered worse than a full blooded punch to the head in yesteryear. It was a definite suspension.

It's being out of touch - the equivalent of someone complaining that hip and shoulders to the head get you suspended.

It never would have been either a report or a suspension. Nobody on the ground, even McGrath, knew his foot made any contact at all until we got the slowmo replays. Calling it a kick, as in a strike by foot, is disingenuous. It ignores the actual action and replaces it with semantic hysteria. 'He kicked him! He kicked him!', really?

 

[sr36]

KIt never would have been either a report or a suspension. Nobody on the ground, even McGrath, knew his foot made any contact at all until we got the slowmo replays. Calling it a kick, as in a strike by foot, is disingenuous. It ignores the actual action and replaces it with semantic hysteria. 'He kicked him! He kicked him!', really?

What? McGrath went to ground and the Essendon teammates made a beeline for Sicily.

I'm not saying that should be a suspension in the current game, but I think you must be too young to realise how taboo kicking was. That was a definite suspension if an umpire saw it in times gone by.

 

[perplexed]

What? McGrath went to ground and the Essendon teammates made a beeline for Sicily.

I'm not saying that should be a suspension in the current game, but I think you must be too young to realise how taboo kicking was. That was a definite suspension if an umpire saw it in times gone by.

They were already going Sicily and upped this when he tossed McGrath to the ground. He didn't kick him to ground. That Sicily's foot touched McGrath had nothing to do with the Essendon players' behaviour.

 

[peetoo]

What? McGrath went to ground and the Essendon teammates made a beeline for Sicily.

I'm not saying that should be a suspension in the current game, but I think you must be too young to realise how taboo kicking was. That was a definite suspension if an umpire saw it in times gone by.

Essendon players had been told about the ‘edge’ for weeks. They would have made a beeline for anything
Robbo should recall that

 

[sr36]

That Sicily's foot touched McGrath had nothing to do with the Essendon players' behaviour.

If you don't think that Sicily's action was a suspension in Robbo's era then you either have forgotten or weren't there.

Robbo's call wasn't insane - like Robbo himself it was simply out of touch with modern attitudes.

 

[Wormkilla]

15th, 14th, 13th, 16th and now sitting winless. No finals won for over 3100 days. Only playing a handful of home games at their actual home ground the MCG after selling their soul to play at a university park in front of 10,000 for some taxpayer cash, a racism saga still not completely over and a rebuild plan that isn't panning out - its lucky their irrelevance saves them from the harsh spotlight of media scrutiny that other teams have to endure. And this irrelevance will be further diluted when the Tassie team comes in. Them and North will be lucky to pull 25k this weekend. Meanwhile the eagles pulled 47,000 against Richmond.